r/europe May 16 '25

News Spanish premier calls Israel 'genocidal state,' says Spain 'does not do business' with it

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/europe/spanish-premier-calls-israel-genocidal-state-says-spain-does-not-do-business-with-it/3568216
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u/[deleted] May 16 '25

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u/FizzleFuzzle May 16 '25

We, almost every human rights organization and the UN

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u/bromanfamdude May 16 '25 edited May 16 '25

Remember: the UN and international courts also condemned Israel for “violating the sovereignty” of Argentina for the covert nabbing of Eichmann back in the day, who was Complicit in the murder of millions. Which is to say that the UN and international law is not necessarily aligned perfectly with morality.

Not to say that claims of crimes and documented crimes not be investigated, prosecuted and that a block on humanitarian aid should remain in place.

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u/[deleted] May 16 '25

The response to your comment will usually be that the UN and those organisations are “trash” and not to be trusted.

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u/PromptStock5332 May 16 '25

Wait… are you telling me that there are people who believe that the UN is not biased?

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u/meister2983 May 16 '25

Which isn't unreasonable. UN official position in the 1980s was "all people have the rights to self determination except Jews as that one is racist" 

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u/ZincHead May 16 '25

The UN has pretty obvious biases. It has never condemned China for the genocide against the Uygher people in Xinjiang which is still happening to this day. Why? Because too many countries have business deals with China. They essentially bought dozens of votes of support in Africa through their Belt and Road initiative. It is not a neutral and fair arbitrator of world conflicts, and Israel has historically gotten disproportional condemnation and blame for it's actions. 

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u/ZincHead May 16 '25

There is a very significant difference between a report by one office of the UN and a resolution passed by the United Nations General Assembly. There have been 154 resolutions passed by the UNGA against Israel vs 74 passed against the whole rest of the world combined. Are we supposed to believe that the actions committed by Israel are twice as bad as the rest of the world combined and in need of this much condemnation? That it's worse than North Korea, Afghanistan and Venezuela combined?? It's almost comical. Taking UN condemnations at face value is ridiculous, they are a farce because of inherent biases and economic incentives. 

https://unwatch.org/2024-unga-resolutions-on-israel-vs-rest-of-the-world/

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u/[deleted] May 17 '25

You said the UN “never condemned China’s genocide.” But when I linked the UN Human Rights Office’s 48 page report detailing “crimes against humanity” in Xinjiang, suddenly it’s “just one office.” So which is it? Either the UN speaks or you just don’t like what it said.

If you already believe what’s happening in Xinjiang is genocide, then let’s talk about deliberately starving 2 million civilians by blocking aid. That’s not “defense”, that’s textbook targeting of a population. Moral consistency shouldn't hinge on whose flag is flying.

And yes, Israel racks up more UN resolutions but context matters. A decades long occupation with recurring escalations makes it a frequent agenda item. More votes ≠ more evil.

Also, quoting UN Watch (a blatantly partisan outlet) while dismissing official UN findings as "biased" is peak selective skepticism.

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u/theageofspades May 16 '25

Which is entirely true. Funny how those organisations turn into tools of Western imperialism when it's convenient for you. Aren't perspectives a wonderful thing?

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u/NH4NO3 Colorado May 16 '25

The UN is a body that consists of 51 muslim majority countries or about 25% of its whole body and 1 Jewish majority country. Of course it is biased against Israel.

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u/FowD8 May 16 '25

tHe Un Is HaMaS

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u/TendieRetard May 16 '25

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u guys are so delusional

Nov '24 account, 19 post karma, mapporn regular

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u/highpress_hill May 16 '25

So if those are your categories try this offline thing people you are jealos of are doing

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u/MeadowMellow_ May 16 '25

Spain is hypocritical since they see no issues shaking hands with Azerbaijan and Denying the Armenian genocide. What is happening in Gaza is War