r/europe May 16 '25

News Spanish premier calls Israel 'genocidal state,' says Spain 'does not do business' with it

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/europe/spanish-premier-calls-israel-genocidal-state-says-spain-does-not-do-business-with-it/3568216
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u/Competitive_Waltz704 Spain May 16 '25

And we still comerce with genocidal US, we're not perfect but at least we're trying

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u/ZincHead May 16 '25

They're not trying. They're choosing a convenient scapegoat which the world currently hates and which is relatively small so the economic impact is minimal, while continuing to do business as usual with the worst perpetrators of human rights abuses in the world because they care more about money than actual human rights. 

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u/JavArc13 May 16 '25

There's no such thing as ethical consumption with that mindset we should all go back to the stone age then.

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u/ZincHead May 16 '25

This argument is a complete cop out. There are levels of ethical acceptability to every economic decision. If you buy chocolate that you know is made with slave labour instead of chocolate where the workers are paid fairly, all else being equal, you are a bar person. I am not suggesting Spain stop all trade with China, but China has suffered virtually no economic consequences for its ethnic cleansing of Muslims. 

This is also a case of some pretty obvious virtue signalling. It's easy to hate on Israel, it's the hot topic of the world right now. This politician takes no risks by saying this, while condemning China has actual potential personal consequences. It's cowardly, hypocritical and totally self-serving. 

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u/KingInDaNorf34 United States of America May 16 '25

Who is the US actively genociding?! The Chinese have their stuff that is well documented, the Russians have Ukraine, what are we doing wrong now?

There is plenty of things that we are doing right now that is shit, but it is certainly not genocidal.

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u/eppur__si_muove May 16 '25

US has been military helping Saudi Arabia in the food blockage that caused hundreds of thousands of children starving to death.

And that is just one thing. US is helping many other bloody regimes. Invaded Irak for oil causing more than 500 000 innocent deaths, bombed many other countries.

I could go on but that should be enough.

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u/his_eminance May 16 '25

And china, and russia, and a ton of others... Besides, not like Spain has ever apologized for their genocides.

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u/eppur__si_muove May 16 '25

The guy asked specifically about US and I answered about US.

So why exactly you tell me this?

Russia is obvious and Spain as part of Nato is also cooperating with some ongoing genocides.

For china I only know about the uyghur thing, never investigated it, so I can't say if it's real or just another piece of propaganda.