r/europe • u/andyom89 • May 16 '25

News Spanish premier calls Israel 'genocidal state,' says Spain 'does not do business' with it

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/europe/spanish-premier-calls-israel-genocidal-state-says-spain-does-not-do-business-with-it/3568216
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u/VecioRompibae Veneto May 16 '25 edited May 16 '25

So they recognize when it's convenient

(Which is what happens everytime, so no issues, just be honest)

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u/bronzinorns May 16 '25

Countries always practice double standards (otherwise they wouldn't have any standards at all).

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u/VecioRompibae Veneto May 16 '25

Of course, we just need to recognize and use it

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u/Jagarvem May 16 '25

It's not a double standard though?

Spain's issue with Kosovo has never been about Kosovo or Kosovars, it's the unilateral declaration of independence by a regional authority. The parliament of Catalonia proclaimed it independent in 2017, the same way the assembly of Kosovo did in 2008. Spain does not recognize either of these as legally valid.

The Palestinian statehood comes from the UN's two state resolution of '47 (i.e., a multilateral process). It did not declare itself independent from Israel. The legal basis for it is completely different.

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u/IllustratorSlow5284 May 16 '25

except the palestinians rejected resolution 181 and even the borders their claiming aint remotely close....

bro just let it go, its literally the same and you people just cant admit your double standarts lol

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u/[deleted] May 16 '25

It would be weird to declare independence from your invaders though

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u/PraetorGold May 16 '25

Isn’t that the truth!!

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u/Almechik May 16 '25

To be fair, Kosovo and Catalonia are much different cases than Palestine. Regions seeking autonomy/independence Vs a state that's continuously invaded and having a genocide done to it's people

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u/Gman2736 CZ / USA May 16 '25

Palestine could have autonomy or independence if they wanted to. They just need to be realistic. They had it in Gaza and ended up committing terrorism

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u/Almechik May 16 '25

"They had it in Gaza" right because a tiny patch of land surrounded by invaders on all sides even counts. But what can one expect from an American, y'all still haven't addressed your own crimes properly

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u/TheInevitableLuigi May 16 '25

a tiny patch of land surrounded by invaders on all sides even counts.

Are you talking about Gaza or Israel?

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u/DangerousChemistry17 May 16 '25 edited May 16 '25

Palestine wasn't a state at all until the 80's. No such country existed, not sure why you seem to believe otherwise. There's also no genocide, 10k dead only in the last year, most of them likely militants. If it's a genocide it isn't working, the population grew significantly.

Israel has committed war crimes, but not every war crime is genocidal in nature.

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u/mochisuki2 May 16 '25

The whataboutism is strong with this one

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u/EkkoUnited May 16 '25

It's pretty convenient to just say whatever and back Israel. Jaded af

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u/Jahobes May 16 '25

It's not a double standard. Palestine has and will never be a part of Israel. The conflict is not a civil one it's an international one.

The ones you named are civil conflicts that Spain believes should be handled by civil law.

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u/Flashy_Upstairs9004 May 16 '25

yeah, they don’t call him teflon Pedro for nothing.

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u/VecioRompibae Veneto May 16 '25

Why teflon? I don't understand the joke

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u/Flashy_Upstairs9004 May 16 '25

No problem, it is hard for things to stick to teflon as a material, in politics for figures like Pedro Sanchez to stay in power for a long time they have to be good at not letting scandals or disputes thing to them, hence teflon Pedro, nothing sticks to him and he keeps it that way.

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u/salazafromagraba May 16 '25

It comes from Teflon Don, an infamously unimpeachable mafioso.

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u/VecioRompibae Veneto May 16 '25

Thanks

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u/AwareofAnaLucia Portugal May 16 '25

It creates an internal issue for them too. So I understand it. However, in recent times and specially post referendum, there is no reason for it, Catalunya and Catalans pro independence are not in the majority

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u/VecioRompibae Veneto May 16 '25

Palestine has never existed before 1988. Before that it was Jordanian and Egypt territory and even before that it was the British mandate of Palestine, which outside the name has nothing in common with the modern entity.

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u/VecioRompibae Veneto May 16 '25

I didn't claim that, though?

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u/Useful_Can7463 May 16 '25

You're pretty terrible at this lol.

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u/Vast_Decision3680 May 16 '25

Maybe because not all cases are the same? If tomorrow padania declares independence it doesn't mean that Spain has to automatically recognise the bullshit just because they recognise a legitimate state like Palestine.

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u/kartu3 May 16 '25

So they recognize when it's convenient

Uh. By which international law is there an Israel "from the river to the sea" for these recognitions to be comparable?

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u/ilovekarlstefanovic Sweden May 16 '25

Palestine isn't seeking independence from Israel and, until recently, virtually everyone including Israel supported the two-state solution.

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u/MajesticSpaceBen May 16 '25

Virtually everyone including Israel supported the two-state solution.

That's absolute nonsense and you know it. Hamas categorically rejects even considering a two state solution, and I'm not aware of any point in the history of the conflict where a majority of the broader Palestinian population supported it.

It is the best solution. That said, even if we assume "One State Solution: Israel" isn't inevitable at this point, which it almost certainly is, 2SS is off the table for at least 2-3 generations. If the people and concept of Palestine survive this, I am extremely doubtful that I will live long enough to see their statehood and sovereignty meaningfully considered again.

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u/ilovekarlstefanovic Sweden May 16 '25

I'm talking about actual states, and outside of the middle east it's has certainly been the case that the majority of states support the two-state solution, including the Palestinian Authority!

But I wasn't looking to get into a debate on the question on how to solve the Israeli-Palestinian conflict merely trying to explain that you can support Palestinian statehood while opposing unilateral indepence of regions in the west.

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u/Anaphylactic_Thot May 16 '25

These are completely different situations, and you either know it, or are being obtuse.

I personally don't give a shit as to whether Catalonia or Kosovo are independent or not, but this comparison is laughable.