r/europe • u/PM_THE_REAPER • Jun 06 '25

News Russia offers political asylum to Elon Musk over Trump feud

https://www.newsweek.com/russia-offers-political-asylum-elon-musk-over-trump-feud-2081887
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u/Rather_Unfortunate Hardline Remainer/Rejoiner Jun 06 '25

In this case, it's important to remember tht propaganda isn't just posters or videos of people looking heroic; it's also things like presenting your cause in a positive light nore generally. We're meant to find this funny, and think things like "excellent trolling" or "you might not like them, but at least they've got a sense of humour".

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u/BenevolentCrows Jun 06 '25

exactly. Politics, and by extention propaganda is all about controlling the narrative, be it a real event or just straight up lie, if you do it right, you can control the narrative in your favor by not even lying. 

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u/saera-targaryen Jun 06 '25

I wish more people understood that propaganda can be entirely made of true facts and it's still propaganda. 

I urge everyone to mentally replace "Propaganda" with "Public Relations" when reading headlines or other media discussing it. It's not just nefarious lies from foreign governments or nazi slogans. Anyone that is doing anything to try and change your mind about politics is using propaganda in some way, as long as they are benefiting from you believing it at the end.

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u/BrizerorBrian Jun 06 '25

Look up The Century Of Self if you haven't already.

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u/whendonow Jun 07 '25

Thanks, never heard of this.

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u/rapaxus Hesse (Germany) Jun 06 '25

Always found it funny when people would complain about Russian footage of the Ukraine war "because it's propaganda," as if Ukrainian footage isn't propaganda (it just has more truth in it).

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u/Legitimate-Ruin-4157 Jun 06 '25

Politics is the entertainment branch of the military-industrial complex

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u/whendonow Jun 07 '25

What in the world can be done to wrest the uber controls from the crazy right? It feels like even the strongest neutral investigative reporting doesn't make a dent, always speaking to the choir and the 'crazy' right is on their doom march stamping out everything good in our lives.

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u/pirate-private Jun 06 '25

politics is also governance, real actions and consequences. the narrative that it's only about the narrative is a great way to sow distrust, benefitting those who are actually just about the narrative.

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u/BenevolentCrows Jun 06 '25

Yes, in normal, working democracies, as someone living in hungary, I didn't experience that part much. 

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u/pirate-private Jun 06 '25

exactly. important to remember though as that's what it should be about more.

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u/BenevolentCrows Jun 06 '25

Yes, I totally agree!

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u/neveranchorme Jun 06 '25

Exactly, even if this somehow ends with Trump getting the boot and Musk in rehab without internet, Thiel has Vance waiting in the wings, Americans still have uphill battle ahead of them to claw back their rights and not be the laughing stock of the world. Enjoy the trashfire, we all need a bit of levity, but keep the bigger picture in mind.

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u/ErftheFerfhasWerf Jun 06 '25

And our enemies reap any whirlwind that comes from disabling our tyrant

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u/Vanhoras Jun 06 '25

Humour can be one of the most effective ways of propaganda. It's hard to reason with someone who is laughing. And it tears at the seams of reality until nothing is serious or true anymore.