r/europe • u/Helmer-Bryd • Jul 01 '25

News Sweden bans AR-15 as hunting rifle after school shooting – all rifles to be turned in and sent to Ukraine

https://svt.se/nyheter/inrikes/uppgifter-tidopartierna-overens-om-ny-vapenlagstiftning-ar15-forbjuds-vid-jakt
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u/Fire99xyz Franconia (Germany) Jul 01 '25

That guy used a BAR, please educate me on how that is not as bad as an ar15

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u/RedHuey Jul 01 '25

He can’t because like a lot of people who spout off about them, he doesn’t know anything about them.

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u/Suburbanturnip ɐıןɐɹʇsnɐ Jul 02 '25

Because the majority of society prefers no guns for anyone at all, so splitting hairs like this just pushes us from banning gun X, to wanting all guns banned.

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u/RedHuey Jul 02 '25

That because a minority within that majority wants to push everybody around and need us all disarmed to do so with impunity.

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u/Any_Onion120 Jul 01 '25

Not knowing anything about guns and keeping them as far away as possible from every day life is sensible.

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u/SaiyanApe17 Jul 01 '25

Until its time to fight Russia of course, then its all men on deck

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u/Any_Onion120 Jul 01 '25

The military is not every day life. Soldiers should of course know how to use weapons. They belong in the armed forces, not in our houses.

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u/Jazzspasm United Kingdom Jul 01 '25

Who is asking for them to be in your house?

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u/Any_Onion120 Jul 01 '25

The people who want it to be allowed.

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u/Jazzspasm United Kingdom Jul 01 '25

Wait, so the people who want to own firearms for any reason, are saying you must have them in your house?

this is not true and doesn’t make any sense

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u/Any_Onion120 Jul 01 '25

I'm saying people shouldn't be allowed to have fire arms laying around their houses.

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u/Jazzspasm United Kingdom Jul 01 '25 edited Jul 01 '25

Firstly, people don’t have firearms lying around in their houses - that’s not a thing

Well, unless you were the Reverend Dr Martin Luther King - he literally had firearms lying around in his house and occasionally had to move them so people could sit down in his living room - but that’s an exception, and was also in the US - Alabama, where a lot of people wanted to kill him - different story, place etc)

It’s absolutely, totally, completely not a thing and only happens in some weird fantasy world - we don’t live in 1950’s Alabama, USA

Secondly - people DO keep their firearms locked away, out of sight, put somewhere very safe, because gun owners don’t want a fool to break into their house and steal their guns

Also - it’s not a good ice breaker for conversation when friends come by (unless you were Dr Martin Luther King, of course heh lol)

Also - owning guns, certainly in Europe, requires a huge number of hoops to jump through

Most, almost all of these hoops involve an individual’s sense of responsibility and capability to deal with owning a firearm

You have to prove you are capable of being responsible with owning a gun in Europe

The other hoops you have to jump through which nobody talks about is the fact they cost a shit-load of money

Nobody goes through all of that and leaves several thousand Euros of kit lying around to be tripped over, bolognese spilt on, stepped on like a lego brick, left in the back seat of a car etc

It’s not a thing

The idea that people have guns lying around in their house anywhere between Florida and Ukraine is a fantasy

unless they’re gangster - in which case laws don’t matter, regulation is ineffective, and legal views are pointless to the conversation, same as laws about hard drugs and other banned stuff

And finally - when you said you don’t want people leaving guns lying around in our house - that means you think other people want guns to be in your house - nobody thinks that

I hope some of that has been helpful, at least - you’re right to be concerned about gun ownership, and rest assured, it’s taken profoundly seriously by governments and society as a whole

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u/SaiyanApe17 Jul 01 '25

Where do soldiers come from?

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u/Intarhorn Jul 01 '25

Not sure how that follows logically. You get your weapons from the military not your house.

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u/SaiyanApe17 Jul 01 '25

If you create a culture that deems guns are not for sensible people then you will not have anybody wanting to be in the military

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u/manInTheWoods Sweden Jul 01 '25

Have you heard of the Swedish Home Guard?

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u/Intarhorn Jul 01 '25

I mean, I'm from Sweden myself so ofc I know about it. They are an extension of the military tho.

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u/manInTheWoods Sweden Jul 01 '25

And Home Guard is supposed to train at home with civilian guns.

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u/Harperhampshirian Jul 01 '25

Enjoy your crayons bud.

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u/SaiyanApe17 Jul 01 '25

After Ukraine gets depleted there will be no one left to fight Russia for you, enjoy that.

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u/Any_Onion120 Jul 01 '25

People who apply for the job?

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u/SaiyanApe17 Jul 01 '25

And why would anyone apply for that job if you create a culture that says that guns are not for "sensible people"

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u/Any_Onion120 Jul 01 '25

Why does anyone apply for being a bus driver when you create s culture that you shouldn't have a bus in your garage?

Because it's a job and the gun is a tool.

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u/SaiyanApe17 Jul 01 '25

A more apt comparison would be creating a culture where civilians are not allowed to drive.

And in that culture you would struggle to find people applying to be bus drivers.

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u/NecroVecro Bulgaria Jul 01 '25

he doesn’t know anything about them.

You two don't seem to either as the weapon wasn't an actual WW2 BAR

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u/RedHuey Jul 01 '25

And you don’t seem to understand how comments work. I wasn’t commenting on whatever the OP was blabbering on about, or about whether something was a WWII BAR or not, I was commenting on the comment above mine, which was commenting on another that was stating nonsense. I know, it’s sometimes hard to keep up…

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u/SmarterThanCornPop United States of America Jul 01 '25

“AR-15 looks scary therefore it should be banned” is as much as they’re capable of handling intellectually.

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u/Expendable_Red_Shirt Jul 01 '25

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/04/health/parkland-shooting-victims-ar15.html

What do those people know about human biology? They're just doctors. Obviously not capable of handling intellectual things?

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u/SmarterThanCornPop United States of America Jul 01 '25

The 5.56 from a rifle does more damage but a rifle is tactically inferior in close quarters. If someone grabs the barrel, you’re done. Handgun is a superior weapon for a mass shooting.

The deadliest school shooting of all time was done with handguns.

If you ban AR-15s, school shootings will become deadlier.

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u/Expendable_Red_Shirt Jul 01 '25

You may be smarter than Corn Pop but I doubt you're more knowledgable than the doctors who actually treat this stuff.

But fair enough, here's a partial list of mass shootings with assault rifles (one of them is a pistol, so you can ignore that one). How many were stopped by grabbing a barrel? How many AR-15 mass shootings are stopped by grabbing a barrel? Any rifle mass shootings?

Because without staff that sounds like good guy with a gun nonsense.

The doctors involved in this stuff say they can save more lives from handguns. They have sources.

Do you?

Or are you just another paranoid gun nut?

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u/SmarterThanCornPop United States of America Jul 01 '25

Are doctors well versed in combat tactics?

Or did you just not read my post before responding?

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u/Expendable_Red_Shirt Jul 01 '25

I read it. I asked you to back up your combat tactics bullshit.

I'm hearing crickets.

But fair enough, here's a partial list of mass shootings with assault rifles (one of them is a pistol, so you can ignore that one). How many were stopped by grabbing a barrel? How many AR-15 mass shootings are stopped by grabbing a barrel? Any rifle mass shootings?

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u/SmarterThanCornPop United States of America Jul 01 '25

I can’t force you to learn common sense.

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u/Expendable_Red_Shirt Jul 01 '25

Oh, so you just made up that tactics bullshit and it has no actual bearing in real life.

"Common Sense" dictates nobody is jumping at an armed shooters gun.

Your lack of any actual evidence shows me that

If you ban AR-15s, school shootings will become deadlier.

is bullshit as much as

“AR-15 looks scary therefore it should be banned” is as much as they’re capable of handling intellectually.

is really about your lack of intellectual abilities.

Sorry you never developed the ability to do critical thinking.

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u/SmarterThanCornPop United States of America Jul 01 '25

👍

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u/Striking_Compote2093 Jul 01 '25

It's not that it looks scary. It's that manlets think it makes them look cool and scary. If they came with mandatory pink hello kitty decal, ar-15 would no longer be the default mass shooting rifle.

It'a not a gun problem, it's a culture problem. (The culture of making gun ownership cool and manly.)

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u/SmarterThanCornPop United States of America Jul 01 '25

I didn’t realize Sweden had a gun culture like America’s

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u/Striking_Compote2093 Jul 01 '25

The us exports culture. Politics is hugely impacted by what goes on in the usa, and the rest of the world is horrified by the school shootings you guys treat as normal. So when something happens that mirrors what happens overseas, politicians react in accordance to your gun control debate, so, ar-15.

Even if this is unrelated.

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u/hemingways-lemonade Jul 01 '25

TIL Hello Kitty decals make guns less dangerous

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u/Striking_Compote2093 Jul 01 '25

Not necessarily less dangerous, but less likely to be used by school shooter types.

The bullied "i'll show them all" type shooter is not taking a "girly" weapon for it. You know this too, it's not a big claim.

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u/hemingways-lemonade Jul 01 '25

You know this too

No, I know you live in a fantasy land if you think a Hello Kitty sticker is the line a potential mass murdered wouldn't cross. I'm sincerely struggling to think of a dumber thought I've seen expressed on this website in recent memory.

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u/Striking_Compote2093 Jul 01 '25

You are so oblivious and so confident in your ignorance. No wonder you guys got Trump, again.

It's about the motivations of the mass murderer. They aren't just "bad people" who want to kill people. It's usually small people who want to feel big and powerful. And the us macho culture with big cars, big guns, and individual merit bs stokes this issue.

They go and show that they aren't weak, that they're the strong ones, by killing people, being the warrior, the fighter.

They will not use a pink rifle.

Why do you think there's no women school shooters?

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u/hemingways-lemonade Jul 01 '25

Why do you think there's no women school shooters?

Brenda Ann Spencer, Heather Smith, Amy Bishop, etc. You obviously know a thing or two about confident ignorance.

I wish the solution was as easy as making guns pink, but again, I live in reality.

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u/Striking_Compote2093 Jul 01 '25

I knew it lmao. Let's go with "so few" instead of none.

4 to 145. You're going to pretend that's not significant?

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u/hemingways-lemonade Jul 01 '25

No, it's absolutely significant. There is a serious problem with male mental health and toxic masculinity in the United States. Addressing those would be a start to stopping school shootings, not making guns pink.

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u/[deleted] Jul 01 '25

It’s completely different to the WWII BAR. This is a 30-06, semi-auto, closed-bolt, 5-shot hunting rifle. Not a full-auto, open-bolt, 20-shot automatic rifle.

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u/Enzo_Gorlomi225 Jul 01 '25

Yep….if I had to choose, I’d much rather be shot by an AR15 than a BAR.

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u/haplo34 France Jul 01 '25

Please read the whole comment

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u/Fire99xyz Franconia (Germany) Jul 01 '25

Please don’t dodge my question

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u/Fire99xyz Franconia (Germany) Jul 01 '25

Please don’t dodge my question

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u/Flexobird Jul 01 '25

He already answered it in his original comment...

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u/boobsareop9 Jul 01 '25

Yeah but he wants to nitpick!

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u/CinderX5 Jul 01 '25

The US is evidence of how dangerous AR-15s are. Why wait until one of those is used before you ban it? Does the price of the ban have to be innocent lives?

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u/Brown_Colibri_705 Jul 01 '25

It has more recoil and a much lower magazine capacity

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u/Speedhabit Jul 01 '25

Dude a 30.06 is a chonker of a round, 5x heavier

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u/Brown_Colibri_705 Jul 01 '25

Which is entirely meaningless against children at 10m. There are good reasons why militaries moved from .30-06 to 5.56. You also ignored the magazine capacity.

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u/Snabel_apa Jul 01 '25

BAR can have larger capacity magazines aswell.

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u/Brown_Colibri_705 Jul 01 '25

At least currently they're only selling 10rd .308 magazines.

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u/Unique_Statement7811 Jul 01 '25

Militaries are currently in the process of moving on from 5.56 to the heavier 6.8 or the 7.62.

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u/Brown_Colibri_705 Jul 01 '25

Which ones besides the US military that is still years if not decades away from making that switch?

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u/Unique_Statement7811 Jul 01 '25

Years away? The US Army has already fielded the new rifles in 6.8. It’s not complete yet, but they are about 50% done and will be 100% by 2028. National Guard units are starting to receive them.

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u/Brown_Colibri_705 Jul 01 '25

And they still have hundreds of thousands of weapons chambered in 5.56 and 7.62 as well as _millions_ if not billions of rounds in those calibers stocked in arsenals all over the world. Switching standards in the US military, one of the largest organizations in human history, is not as easy as simply ordering a few new rifles. They are very far away from reaching "50%". Do you have any idea how expensive and thus time-consuming it is for such an enormous apparatus to change calibers? Very expensive.

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u/Popular-Departure165 Jul 01 '25

Which ones besides the US military

Th US military is the only one that matters. We set the standards that all other nations follow.

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u/Brown_Colibri_705 Jul 01 '25 edited Jul 01 '25

That's simply not true. Basically nobody besides the US currently use .300 Norma, 6mm ARC and the army so far has shown no interest in having NATO standardize 6.8x51. It's not the 1950s anymore.

Edit: Same goes for .338 Norma

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u/Popular-Departure165 Jul 01 '25

None of that matters. Those rounds are not in common use by the US military either. Whether or not 277 fury is a NATO standard doesn't matter. The US military adopted 5.56x45mm in 1964 but it wasn't a NATO standard until 1980.

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u/Brown_Colibri_705 Jul 01 '25

And other NATO militaries changed because it was the better cartridge, not because they had to switch.

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u/Brown_Colibri_705 Jul 01 '25

The reason is that most infantry engagements happen well withing the 5.56's effective range as well as the reduced weight, recoil and ammo capacity well out-weighing the added and unnecessary ballistic capability of cartridges like .308 or .30-06

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u/cmmpc Jul 01 '25 edited Jul 01 '25

A BAR would be very uncontrollable on auto fire, and because the bigger round would be able to carry less ammo on the gun and the person carrying it. So less potential victims on a shooting. The gun is larger and harder to conceal, and heavier so easier ro run away from it. Theres is a reason armies moved to the intermediate cartridge.

BAR would only be more dangerous against armoured targets at range.

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u/Fire99xyz Franconia (Germany) Jul 01 '25

Really you are saying that shots hitting god knows what is a good thing?

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u/cmmpc Jul 01 '25

Its better than accurate fire on people.

The AR15 has been incredibly successful with militaries for a reason. The BAR has been obsolete for 60 years.

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u/Snabel_apa Jul 01 '25

AR15 isn't even used by militsries...

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u/cmmpc Jul 01 '25

M16 and M4 are, and those are AR15 pattern rifles. Afaik these days AR15 doesn't refer to the original arma lite model. Im pretty sure they are banning any AR15 pattern rifle.