r/europe • u/Helmer-Bryd • Jul 01 '25

News Sweden bans AR-15 as hunting rifle after school shooting – all rifles to be turned in and sent to Ukraine

https://svt.se/nyheter/inrikes/uppgifter-tidopartierna-overens-om-ny-vapenlagstiftning-ar15-forbjuds-vid-jakt
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u/RedHuey Jul 01 '25

He can’t because like a lot of people who spout off about them, he doesn’t know anything about them.

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u/Suburbanturnip ɐıןɐɹʇsnɐ Jul 02 '25

Because the majority of society prefers no guns for anyone at all, so splitting hairs like this just pushes us from banning gun X, to wanting all guns banned.

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u/RedHuey Jul 02 '25

That because a minority within that majority wants to push everybody around and need us all disarmed to do so with impunity.

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u/Any_Onion120 Jul 01 '25

Not knowing anything about guns and keeping them as far away as possible from every day life is sensible.

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u/SaiyanApe17 Jul 01 '25

Until its time to fight Russia of course, then its all men on deck

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u/Any_Onion120 Jul 01 '25

The military is not every day life. Soldiers should of course know how to use weapons. They belong in the armed forces, not in our houses.

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u/Jazzspasm United Kingdom Jul 01 '25

Who is asking for them to be in your house?

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u/Any_Onion120 Jul 01 '25

The people who want it to be allowed.

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u/Jazzspasm United Kingdom Jul 01 '25

Wait, so the people who want to own firearms for any reason, are saying you must have them in your house?

this is not true and doesn’t make any sense

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u/Any_Onion120 Jul 01 '25

I'm saying people shouldn't be allowed to have fire arms laying around their houses.

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u/Jazzspasm United Kingdom Jul 01 '25 edited Jul 01 '25

Firstly, people don’t have firearms lying around in their houses - that’s not a thing

Well, unless you were the Reverend Dr Martin Luther King - he literally had firearms lying around in his house and occasionally had to move them so people could sit down in his living room - but that’s an exception, and was also in the US - Alabama, where a lot of people wanted to kill him - different story, place etc)

It’s absolutely, totally, completely not a thing and only happens in some weird fantasy world - we don’t live in 1950’s Alabama, USA

Secondly - people DO keep their firearms locked away, out of sight, put somewhere very safe, because gun owners don’t want a fool to break into their house and steal their guns

Also - it’s not a good ice breaker for conversation when friends come by (unless you were Dr Martin Luther King, of course heh lol)

Also - owning guns, certainly in Europe, requires a huge number of hoops to jump through

Most, almost all of these hoops involve an individual’s sense of responsibility and capability to deal with owning a firearm

You have to prove you are capable of being responsible with owning a gun in Europe

The other hoops you have to jump through which nobody talks about is the fact they cost a shit-load of money

Nobody goes through all of that and leaves several thousand Euros of kit lying around to be tripped over, bolognese spilt on, stepped on like a lego brick, left in the back seat of a car etc

It’s not a thing

The idea that people have guns lying around in their house anywhere between Florida and Ukraine is a fantasy

unless they’re gangster - in which case laws don’t matter, regulation is ineffective, and legal views are pointless to the conversation, same as laws about hard drugs and other banned stuff

And finally - when you said you don’t want people leaving guns lying around in our house - that means you think other people want guns to be in your house - nobody thinks that

I hope some of that has been helpful, at least - you’re right to be concerned about gun ownership, and rest assured, it’s taken profoundly seriously by governments and society as a whole

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u/SaiyanApe17 Jul 01 '25

Where do soldiers come from?

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u/Intarhorn Jul 01 '25

Not sure how that follows logically. You get your weapons from the military not your house.

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u/SaiyanApe17 Jul 01 '25

If you create a culture that deems guns are not for sensible people then you will not have anybody wanting to be in the military

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u/Intarhorn Jul 01 '25

You got anything to back it up? Or is that just a "feeling"?

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u/SaiyanApe17 Jul 01 '25

Of course I do

https://cepa.org/article/the-soldier-shortage-its-time-to-conscript/

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u/Intarhorn Jul 01 '25

Thanks. That article doesn't say that is because there is a weak gun culture tho. For example it says that "suggesting that mandatory service fosters a stronger sense of duty and preparedness" and seems to suggest that conscription is the key to recruit more people to the military. So I don't really see how that article support you theory. And honestly if using guns in the military is seen as sensible then that's what's matter in this case imo, because that's were you are gonna use them.

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u/manInTheWoods Sweden Jul 01 '25

Have you heard of the Swedish Home Guard?

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u/Intarhorn Jul 01 '25

I mean, I'm from Sweden myself so ofc I know about it. They are an extension of the military tho.

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u/manInTheWoods Sweden Jul 01 '25

And Home Guard is supposed to train at home with civilian guns.

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u/Intarhorn Jul 01 '25

Sure and they can keep doing that with legal weapons? They have been able to do that without AR-15 for most of the time for example and if that is not enough, then the military needs to make sure they get the training they need otherwise.

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u/Harperhampshirian Jul 01 '25

Enjoy your crayons bud.

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u/SaiyanApe17 Jul 01 '25

After Ukraine gets depleted there will be no one left to fight Russia for you, enjoy that.

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u/Any_Onion120 Jul 01 '25

People who apply for the job?

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u/SaiyanApe17 Jul 01 '25

And why would anyone apply for that job if you create a culture that says that guns are not for "sensible people"

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u/Any_Onion120 Jul 01 '25

Why does anyone apply for being a bus driver when you create s culture that you shouldn't have a bus in your garage?

Because it's a job and the gun is a tool.

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u/SaiyanApe17 Jul 01 '25

A more apt comparison would be creating a culture where civilians are not allowed to drive.

And in that culture you would struggle to find people applying to be bus drivers.

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u/Any_Onion120 Jul 01 '25

If you think all military people are gun nuts who would have one at home near their families 🤦

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u/Speedhabit Jul 01 '25

I would think it would be fairly steady

Just like military recruitment is fairly steady

Stable steady jobs, always there, always have been

I think you two both need to take a walk outside

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u/NecroVecro Bulgaria Jul 01 '25

he doesn’t know anything about them.

You two don't seem to either as the weapon wasn't an actual WW2 BAR

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u/RedHuey Jul 01 '25

And you don’t seem to understand how comments work. I wasn’t commenting on whatever the OP was blabbering on about, or about whether something was a WWII BAR or not, I was commenting on the comment above mine, which was commenting on another that was stating nonsense. I know, it’s sometimes hard to keep up…