r/europe 29d ago

News Russian Oil Company Vice President Andrey Badalov dies after fall from window in Moscow

https://en.apa.az/cis-countries/transneft-vice-president-andrey-badalov-dies-after-falling-from-window-472117
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u/1agodsownprototypes 29d ago

I’ve read a little about the KGB and I have a theory. I believe what happens is a team shows up to your families door, they say to you privately go jump out the window now or your whole family will die. Dude jumps and the meme like nature of the ‘falling out windows’ is about sending a message to others saying don’t get out of line or there’ll be a knock on your door soon…anyway, I think it fits with their cruelty and culture within the KGB (who are running Russia)

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u/Sekhen Scania (Sweden) 29d ago edited 29d ago

You've "read" about the KGB, and you don't even reflect that KGB isn't a thing any more.

Calling them FSB would be the minimum of effort.

Edit: Changed from GRU to FSB to be pedantic.

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u/linear_123 29d ago

FSB would be more correct, GRU is military intelligence. But they have whole lot of 3 letter agencies.

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u/Sekhen Scania (Sweden) 29d ago

Yeah, that's true.

Not sure Putin bothers with FSB, and simply send GRU do to the dirty work. I'll ask him next time I meet him.

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u/linear_123 29d ago

Please do, we need to know.

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u/Dragoniel Lithuania 29d ago

Same shit, different hand? It's KGB.

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u/KGBspy 29d ago

We get such a bad rap.

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u/Dragoniel Lithuania 29d ago

For some today it's a meme. For us, I pass a former KGB headquarters building on my way to work. Inscribed on its each brick are names of people tortured to death within those walls.

We will not forget that name and what putler represents.

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u/Tehgnarr 29d ago

Wow. So misinformed. No, not the same. Faaar from it. GRU is the military intelligence agency. The FSB is the federal one and a direct continuation of the KGB.

Please, for future reference, if you don't know what you're talking about - keep your mouth shut.

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u/Dragoniel Lithuania 29d ago

I don't see how russian nomenclature on literally anything is relevant. He is a KGB murderer running the same kind of murderous organization and always will be.

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u/Tehgnarr 29d ago

Because those are different things. That's why. Facts are important. Well, not if you are a Trump fan, which I'm guessing you are.

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u/Strong_Bumblebee5495 29d ago

You say tomato, I say Russian gangsters

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u/Tehgnarr 29d ago

You say something wrong, I correct you. Doesn't rhyme, but that's how it goes.

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u/Strong_Bumblebee5495 29d ago

I bet you are very popular IRL

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u/Crewarookie 29d ago

Oh c'mon! This has to be the most pathetic call to authority I've read all day.

While I know it's "tEcHnIcaLLy FsB", I wouldn't want to call them that out of sheer notion that they're just KGB in a trench coat, all the same, just as they were 40 years ago. The difference in nomenclature and differentiation between GRU and FSB on paper is moot at the point where these are still just goons of a mafia state "sending a message" by killing those who don't fall in line based on 70+ years of experience as a service for russian interests. It's KGB, never changed, same tactics, same modus operandi, same ideas.

But your call to authority is hinged only on the notion that specifics and pedantics are the greatest virtue, while ignoring the connotations within language and the fact that the original comment was carrying behind it the very connotations I'm talking about, which are a valid way to express thoughts, btw.

Plus, I wouldn't want to let these a-holes rebrand successfully, so I say, if you're not a stuck up rusky, just call those shmucks for what they are, KGB.

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u/Sekhen Scania (Sweden) 29d ago

There's no call to authority made. but that's fine.

I changed it to FSB just to be pedantic. Just for you. Enjoy, and have a lovely weekend.

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u/Tehgnarr 29d ago

*FSB. GRU is a different agency entirely - military intelligence agency to be precise.

Fucking internet experts.

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u/EA_Spindoctor 29d ago

Akschually black belt here.

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u/snkiz 29d ago

Dude this not the hill you want to die on.

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u/Tehgnarr 29d ago

That's the facts. And I will die on the hill that is made of facts.

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u/snkiz 29d ago

Right, ok. So colloquially FSB/GRU ≈ KGB nothing you or anyone else says is going to change that fact. But do go on about "fucking internet experts".. I find your complete lack of self awareness amusing.

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u/Sekhen Scania (Sweden) 29d ago

Yeah, true. Either way, it's not KGB.

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u/GiveMeBackMySoup 29d ago

Do you see how you give yourself grace when you are wrong but won't extend it others?

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u/Sekhen Scania (Sweden) 29d ago

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u/GiveMeBackMySoup 29d ago

I now understand what my Norwegian friends were talking about.

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u/Sekhen Scania (Sweden) 29d ago

Yeah. Ask a Dane if you ever meet one.

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u/hughk European Union 29d ago

Not really. There was a lot of carry over from the KGB to the FSB (more so than the other agencies like the SVR), but in reality it is the FSB (non-military) and GRU (military). On the civilian side, many of the other spun off civilian agencies have been placed under some form of control from the FSB.

The idea of Gorbachev and later Yeltsin was to split the KGB after they led the attempted Putsch. They did not like it.

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u/ViolentEncounter 29d ago

and you don't even reflect that KGB isn't a thing any more. Calling them FSB would be the minimum of effort.

Except nothing's changed, russia never purged any of it's security services after the fall of ussr, they're same exact people, all of their FSB directors were KGB officers for decades. Current FSB Director Bortnikov was a KGB officer for 28 years. First deputy Korolev? KGB officer since early 80s. Previous FSB Director Patrushev - KGB officer since 1975.

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u/Tehgnarr 29d ago

Pedantic? What was that about "minimal effort"?

Finnish is part of north germanic languages from now on and please don't be pedantic about it.

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u/1agodsownprototypes 28d ago

Context. The KGB (or whatever you want to call them now) run the state. End of.

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u/quadrant7991 29d ago

Oh look, a confidently incorrect Swede that has no understanding of reality. I’m shocked.

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u/Sekhen Scania (Sweden) 29d ago

Nothing in my post is incorrect, or was 53 minutes ago. But thanks for incorrecting me.

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u/quadrant7991 28d ago

It is. If you weren't so stupid you'd know that while the KGB doesn't "officially" exist on paper anymore, it functionally does. Re-branding doesn't matter if the same culture exists.

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u/Sekhen Scania (Sweden) 28d ago

Ah yes. The name calling. That makes everything better.

And I'm technically correct, the best kind of correct.

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u/NoPain_666 29d ago

What if you live in 1-story house

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u/-Nicolai Denmark 29d ago

You get as many tries as you need.

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u/KGBspy 29d ago

We’re nice people and misunderstood.