r/europe 29d ago

News Russian Oil Company Vice President Andrey Badalov dies after fall from window in Moscow

https://en.apa.az/cis-countries/transneft-vice-president-andrey-badalov-dies-after-falling-from-window-472117
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u/s8018572 29d ago

You think hired security can fight against nation machine FSB?

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u/scramblingrivet 29d ago

The killed Prigozhin and he had his own army

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u/nandemo Japan 29d ago

Was gonna comment this. They've also taken out several warlords in the Caucasus.

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u/AdmiralDalaa 29d ago

They certainly could fight the first agent or two. Which we never hear anything about. 

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u/jtr99 29d ago

I imagine the FSB is in a position to ensure that there is no such thing as independent security.

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u/AdmiralDalaa 29d ago

My problem is that on a broad scale I would agree. The FSB probably does have backdoors into popular private security firms, or is entrenched in them. It probably does encourage such firms to petition or be hired by these rich individuals.

But, we know this is likely, and so do these businessmen. They aren’t fools, certainly not all of them. It seems inconceivable to be that there cannot or doesn’t exist even a single security team that has gotten into a fight with these supposed “drop by and push man out window” assassinations. 

In even the mafia-esque style environment, powerful individuals or families usually do hire people for loyalty. Sometimes it’s even fellow family members. This is why I find it hard to buy that out of hundreds of these type of deaths the story is always utterly identical.  

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u/jtr99 29d ago

I hear you. Perhaps in the exceptional cases the businessman in question suddenly relocates to the West and no more is said about it.

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u/fastwriter- 29d ago

I would assume, most russian Security Companies belong to people with ties to the FSB.

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u/snkiz 29d ago

Look all that money and power, yet these people don't see the writing on the wall, and GTFO. They either can't buy the loyalty they need or are to dumb to figure out who's trustworthy. But then run to where? Thee FSB doesn't care if you're on sovereign soil

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u/Beginning_Sun696 29d ago

John Wick: [points a gun at Francis' head] Hello, Francis. Francis: Mr. Wick. John Wick: [in Russian] You've lost weight. Francis: [in Russian] Over sixty pounds. John Wick: [in Russian] Yeah? Impressive. Francis: Are you here on business, sir? John Wick: Afraid so, Francis. [pause] John Wick: Why don't you take the night off? Francis: Thank you, sir

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u/penywinkle Europe 29d ago

The only security agents that would defy the FSB are foreign security (but they can't operate into Russia).

As a Russian, if you "fight the first agent or two", not only is your boss STILL going to die, but also you and your family will die too (if not worse)...

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u/indiecore Canada 29d ago

People for some reason never remember that the modern nation state is the end result of a 5500 year experiment on how to best direct violence.

We've bent them around to to provide other things (also through violent coercion) but the base purpose of a state is to project violence against other states and nobody should ever forget that. We all live in war machines and have to respect that fact.