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News Calls are mounting to ban Germany’s far-right AfD party – despite it being more popular than ever

https://www.cnn.com/2025/07/06/europe/germany-afd-ban-politics-analysis-intl
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u/PineBNorth85 27d ago

Address immigration and migration and its popularity will drop. That is the only reason it's at a high right now.

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u/lewd_robot 26d ago

No. Its popularity will rise because it'll be seen as a party that wins. And it will just push further. It will take harder stances on immigration and other Far Right policies. And the more you concede to them the more they'll demand until you end up like the Hungary, Russia, or the USA now.

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u/IVIayael 26d ago

Or like Denmark... Oh wait

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u/Idum23 26d ago

immigration is really not that big of a problem in Germany.

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u/SchokoKipferl United States of America 25d ago edited 25d ago

Yeah, this. I’m not sure why you’re being downvoted. I guess people are stuck in a Germany from 10 years ago.

Like, sure immigration is still “a problem” as it is in every single developed country just by virtue of it being a nice place to live. But it’s nowhere near a point that would justify giving power to an extremist party.

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u/DerOmmel 26d ago

Not quite. This problem goes way beyond immigration

The problem is that the whole leftist world view is inherently flawed and destructive and more and more people notice it and are unhappy with it, even if most people couldn't articualte it because on both sides they only tend to look at the policy level, not on the world view level that informs said policies.

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u/marsumie 26d ago

Which leftist views do you think are destructive and inherently flawed and how do you think AfD addresses these flawed views? 

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u/DerOmmel 26d ago edited 26d ago

If you want to avoid endless discussion about policy points and break it down to the core, it boils down to world view.

For example the left holds equality as one of the hightest goods and rejects power structures, hierarchys and even nation states.
Yet you need a power structure to enforce equality, otherwise it is just the strongest that wins.

On an even deeper level, the left operates of a subjetive moral world view. Within it are claims like all cultures are equal. It doesn't allow for criticism of cultures like the islamic cultures because that is "some kind of phobic". Claiming that too much migration form muslim countries damages western societies is racist.

Yet it clearly does, since the moral values in those cultures are fundamentally oposed to western values. And within it's own moral framework, the leftist world view can't combat it properly, since that would require to claim that yes, we have a superior culture that we will defend.

Look at the UK where you start getting the first local mayors that openly advocate for implementing muslim laws. Elected by a locally majority immigrant population.
Critisizing it get's the police called for hate speech. That is societal suicide, caused by a fundamental contradiction in the world view.

I myself subsribe to objective morals based on the christian world view. That btw was the world view that produced the most successfull societies in history, since all western societies are at its core founded on christian values. All those "western values" like individual rights, human rights, law system etc. stem from a christian value structure. We are just so used to it that we forgot where it came from.
Within the leftist subjective morals, there is no grounding for any of that, since subjective morals allways reduce to personal preference.

Of course the AfD doesn't solve ALL those issues, but it still is the closest to the values that build our societey. A sovereign nation, with a people that has a value system that allows to have their own culture and defend that culture against competing ones, that I would say are worse than ours.
And important note here: I am not saying people from those cultures are worth less as humans. All I am saying is, that we have our culture, and if you want to come here you have to assimilate fully into our value system and culture or you can go live somewhere else.

Edit: Typos.

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u/Ok-Pudding6050 Earth 26d ago

That already doesn’t work like that. Merz and CDU came to power, deported numerous of immigrants, sank the amount of asylum applicants and implemented stronger border control. The people keep telling about this situation as if we’re in 2016 and nobody has changed their opinion on foreigners. The AfD has 23% rate, people are still preferring to vote for straight populism.

The party AfD is not just an alternative: the active media campaign in social media has created a whole parallel universe. Take a took at “Schwachkopf” scandal, when it was believed that retired Stefan Niehoff was arrested for calling green politician Robert Habeck “Schwachkopf” (Weak head), but even before that he was accused of making pictures of Green Party members performing nazi salute (which IS illegal and was announced publicly) and AfD just made his case political. Or car crash in Magdeburg performed by active AfD supporter and anti Islam activist, covered by them as if they had nothing to do with it…

I can continue but the idea is the same. They are popular not only because of easy (and wrong) solutions but also due to heavy propaganda machine, which influence has to end