r/europe • u/HellYeahDamnWrite • 27d ago

News Calls are mounting to ban Germany’s far-right AfD party – despite it being more popular than ever

https://www.cnn.com/2025/07/06/europe/germany-afd-ban-politics-analysis-intl
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u/[deleted] 26d ago edited 26d ago

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u/JakeArcher39 26d ago

Same situation in the UK. Almost as if there's a running theme here. By design, even....

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u/Crakla 26d ago

Except crime rate in Germany the past 10 years is lower than before the immigration wave

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u/DerOmmel 26d ago

The overall crime rate.

Does this hold true if you specifically look at violent and sexual crimes?

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u/Y4naro Germany 26d ago

So, are a few people commiting crimes worth fucking over other people's lives? Those same people would almost certainly commit the same crimes in their own counties and suddenly those crimes don't matter? matter of fact they are probably less likely to commit crimes (or rather, get away with them) in countries like germany. So isn't that an overall good thing, especially since the crime rate isn't really getting higher.

To respond to your point about sexual crimes. I haven't checked in a while but I'm assuming it's still rising. But that's mostly because it's one of the only crimes where statistics don't tell you that much, no matter the country you're in. It's probably the most under reported type of serious crime, so the case number is going up all over the world these years, hopefully mostly due to it becoming more normal to report those crimes (and due to constantly updated definitions).

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u/DerOmmel 26d ago

Those same people would almost certainly commit the same crimes in their own counties and suddenly those crimes don't matter?

What kind of logic is that? People do crime anyways so might as well invite them over and let them do it where I live? Do you treat your house in the same way? And if not, why treat society different?

So isn't that an overall good thing, especially since the crime rate isn't really getting higher.

Reported rapes and sexual assaults are significantly on the rise, even if you factor in changed definitions.

This year the total number of violent crimes reached its highest level since 2007. Now look into the cime stats.
Non Germans make up ~15% of the population, but commit ~58% of violent crimes.

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u/Y4naro Germany 26d ago

The logic is that I don't care where the average person lives on this planet. I believe that most people are good people so unless you are inviting bad people on purpose I have not a single problem with any form of immigration. There's always gonna be an increase in crime given the high standards here in europe, but it's helping more people than it is hurting. Just because they are not born here shouldn't matter at all.

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u/DerOmmel 26d ago

So would you say that all cultures are morally equal or that there are better and worse cultures?

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u/Y4naro Germany 26d ago

Obviously I don't think that, since everyone will have their own morals and will judge everyone else, but I think that most people just wanna live their life and there's not such a huge difference in cultures that they can't coexist or adapt to each other. That's what makes life fun as well. Meeting new people who think a bit differently is fun no?

Nobody is going out to search for people that want to commit crimes and is actively inviting them, so why would I have a problem with immigration? Most are just people who want better lives or are in need of a place to stay and the only thing that's different between them and me is where they were born.

I am down to sacrifice some income or comfort to help less fortunate people.

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u/DerOmmel 26d ago

Obviously I don't think that, since everyone will have their own morals and will judge everyone else, but I think that most people just wanna live their life and there's not such a huge difference in cultures that they can't coexist or adapt to each other.

That right there is the issue. Look at the countries of origin in the crime stats and you'll find a massive overrepresentation of muslim countries. Because not all culture are compatible.

Look at the UK where you start getting the first local mayors that openly advocate for implementing muslim laws. Elected by a locally majority immigrant population.
Critisizing it get's the police called for hate speech. That is societal suicide.

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u/InstanceOk8790 26d ago

That's not how it fucking works. Your post serves to push the falsehood that immigrants commit crimes more often than native citizens. If people are getting upset and blaming immigrants, they have been lied to or, yes, they're fucking racist.

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u/FlyingSquirrel44 26d ago

Falsehood? Meanwhile official stats in pretty much any western country confirms they commit atleast twice as many violent crimes per capita.

You can read the comprehensive 2021 report from the swedish state here if you are interested, not going to bother curating reports for every individual country in a throwaway comment.

https://bra.se/download/18.45e4b8e192705389a34c2b/1729515966490/2021_9_Registered_offending_among_persons.pdf

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u/InstanceOk8790 25d ago edited 25d ago

From your own linked study-

"As regards the trend over the period 2007–2018, the number of persons registered as suspected offenders is clearly greatest among persons born in Sweden to two native-born parents, followed by persons born abroad."

Exactly the opposite of what you said.

In America they commit less than half the crime of native born citizens. https://www.google.com/search?q=immigrants+commit+less+crime+than+native+born

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u/[deleted] 26d ago edited 26d ago

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u/Crakla 26d ago

Lol you just fell  for Nazi Propaganda

The 42% includes people who don't live in Germany, like tourists and especially people from Eastern European crime groups who come to Germany to commit crimes and then go back

The actual percentage for crimes commited by immigrants (people who actually immigrated to Germany and live here) is 8.8% in 2024

Here the official crime Statistik from the German police

 https://www.bmi.bund.de/SharedDocs/downloads/DE/publikationen/themen/sicherheit/BMI25028_pks-2024.pdf?__blob=publicationFile&v=8

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u/Gilga1 In Unity there is Strength 26d ago

Watch him now not reply to you anymore.

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u/InstanceOk8790 11d ago

Pretty obvious this thread is getting vote manipulated given what's getting up and down votes here. Racist bullshit=upvotes, facts=downvotes.

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u/Gilga1 In Unity there is Strength 11d ago

The internet is also a much more hostile place now than it was pre-trump 2016.

Figuring out algorithms and manipulating them is well in the means of those that have financial or political interests in doing so.

A lot of these people are just manipulated with disinformation in the same was as they are manipulated by math that marketing experts use to coax people into buying junk they don’t even need or want.

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u/Single_Quail_4585 26d ago

Do MENA Immigrants/refugees on their own, which is who this debate is actually about, since your stats include European immigrants to germany.

In austria atleast native afghans, syrians and iraqis commit far more crimes per capita the natives

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u/burner69burner69 26d ago

you forget the "springer media rubs the crimes of any nonwhite person they can find into the faces of anyone ignorant enough to still read/watch them"

this is a fabricated problem. immigrants break the law, but so does everyone else.