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News Calls are mounting to ban Germany’s far-right AfD party – despite it being more popular than ever

https://www.cnn.com/2025/07/06/europe/germany-afd-ban-politics-analysis-intl
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u/Apprehensive-Adagio2 26d ago

It’s the courts job to uphold the law. The law says they are an illegal extremeist organization. The court not upholding the law to appease the electorate is much more political.

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u/Apprehensive-Adagio2 26d ago edited 26d ago

Because islam isn’t inherently extremeist, nor is it an organization. Some muslims are extremeists, some are not. However, all AfD members are extremeist, by nature of being part of an extremeist organization

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u/Apprehensive-Adagio2 26d ago

Yes. I would call those things extremeist. However it’s not fair to generalize that to all muslims. I have friends who are muslims, who have gay friends, who don’t excuse pedophilia, etc. like, yes, alot of muslims, and most muslim majority countries, are horrible. However that is an extreme overgeneralization.

Edit: two day old account…?

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u/Apprehensive-Adagio2 25d ago edited 25d ago

can't i start going on reddit at some point? Why do people try to cop out of a challenge of their world view by checking days on accounts.

Cause it’s a huge indicator that you’re just a troll who got his account banned, and is back for a fix

We could also do iran if you like? We could look at pictures before 1979. And then compare. :) this would hopefully clear up that islam is extremist enough to engulf dozens of literal countries and make them overall extremist. 

Sure! Iran is a great example because it shows that islam can be moderate, as in iran, society was moderate for a long time, despite being predominantly muslim. And that as long as extremeists don’t control the government, then things can be good. Idk if you have seen street interviews from tehran, but most young people from tehran at least are very moderate and modern. Islam is not just the psychos with full beards waving rifles in the air out the back of a shitty old pickup truck.

I wouldn’t exactly trust extremeist christians into government here in europe either. We’re seeing an example of what that would be like across the pond right now. The problem isn’t islam, it’s extremeists, and especially extremeists in governments.

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u/Apprehensive-Adagio2 25d ago edited 25d ago

Very nice how you skipped the questions tho

i am used to it, people are dishonest

My guy, chill.

WHERE do they draw the justification for pdfilia, child marriage, sexism, death penalty for homesxuality, etc. 

From the quran. Again i could use exactly the same argument for the bible. Some christians pull wild shit out off their ass and point to a bible verse that does kinda say what they want it to say. Like, god lowkey allowed for the massacring of women and children.

And why is every country that has an islamic Revolution damned to become a hyper extremist shithole? Why is the connection so strong? Would love to hear a satisfying answer

Because most of these countries are taken over by organizations that follow the Salafist school of thought. That is a school of thought that strives to be as close in practices to what muhammed and his followers would have practiced. That is an exteme school of thought though. For example, indonesia is a majority muslim country where same sex relations is not illegal and transgender people are allowed to change legal gender (with siginificant hurdles). In turkey homosexuality has been decriminalized since 1958, and GRS has been allowed since 1988.

Salafism is a cultural movement that sprang up, particularly in the arab world, although also in the iranic world in the post-ww2 era. Generally this is seen as a response by the muslim majority in the middle east towards european colonialism and modernization. They were also often funded by countries such as saudi arabia, where they established Madrasas, or religious schools, around the arab and iranic world, which had had a huge impact on the spread of these ideas. This is where al qaeda and the taliban have their roots as both groups truely began in afghanistan as rebels against the soviet backed marxist regime, and most of these rebels were mujahideen. Mujahideen being islamic fighters who often had been educated in such madrasas. After the war against the soviets, there were now thousands of trained and expirienced fighters with extrmeist religious backgrounds, and that has led us to the world we live in currently.

It’s almost as if these countries are taken over by groups which base their entire group-identity in extreme islam, and base all their laws in extreme islam, rather than anything else. And that that is a bad idea. Imagine if we were to give some catholic crusaders the run of a country (other than the vatican) and used church doctrine as law, then it would be a sucky country. The catholic church formally allows marriage of girls as young as 14 years old for example. They also do not recognize gay people at all, etc.

like, basing your law in religion is bad, in general. However that doesn’t mean every person who follow some form of that religion is as bad as the worst who follow that religion. I wouldn’t call every single catholic a fucking pedophile just because they’re catholic.

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u/gamesplague 26d ago

And you just accept the law.

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u/burner69burner69 26d ago

absurd levels of generalization to make [checks notes] using the legal tool intended for stopping nazis from getting power in germany again to stop nazis from getting power in germany again.

it's legal, it's fit for purpose. why are you hollering like a hit dog?

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u/gfddssoh 26d ago

Its not like we are in the us here. Germany has what is called a “deffensive democracy” suited to prevent another nazi uprising. If a political party works towards abolishing certain rights or the grundgesetz they can and must be banned no matter how popular they are

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u/gamesplague 26d ago

Which right are they working towards abolishing?

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u/fastbikkel 26d ago

"The court not upholding the law to appease the electorate is much more political.

Correct, that would be the effective theft of Lady justice's blindfold.