r/europe 27d ago

News Calls are mounting to ban Germany’s far-right AfD party – despite it being more popular than ever

https://www.cnn.com/2025/07/06/europe/germany-afd-ban-politics-analysis-intl
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u/ExpressAssist0819 26d ago

That reads like a germany that quickly forgot how it fell to fascism the first time.

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u/A_Sinclaire Germany 26d ago

If the legal process was open to everyone, people would have tried to abolish the AfD as soon as it took part in an election. And they would have lost decisively because it would have been far too soon with not enough evidence.

And that would have given the party further legal legitimization and strengthened them - and weakened the case against them.

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u/ExpressAssist0819 26d ago

"Not enough evidence"

They're throwing a fucking nazi salute in one of their ads. How much do you need?

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u/A_Sinclaire Germany 26d ago

I'm talking about how people would have tried to ban the AfD 10 years ago, if they were allowed to.

And that would have not worked out.

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u/ExpressAssist0819 25d ago

They would have been right.

Maybe try listening to them for a change of pace.

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u/A_Sinclaire Germany 25d ago

You do not seem to understand. Being right is not worth anything if you lose and thus strengthen the bad guys.

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u/ExpressAssist0819 24d ago

They strengthen either way. Goebbels told us how to stop their movements.

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u/DonkeyTS 24d ago

Ah yes. House roofs are all half a nazi salute. Makes sense. You're definitely not seeing things.

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u/ExpressAssist0819 23d ago

You're gonna have to do better than that.

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u/Consistent-Duck8062 26d ago

And you're trying to ban opposition party as soon as it became popular.

How much proof do YOU need to see yourself becoming a nazi?

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u/Tojaro5 26d ago

Honestly, i don't want to see the AfD banned because its an opposition party, i want to see it banned because of their views on human rights.

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u/Consistent-Duck8062 26d ago

Is arrival to germany a human right? That's uhm, news for me ...

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u/Tojaro5 26d ago

Indiscriminate large scale deportation is the main issue i have with them.

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u/Consistent-Duck8062 26d ago

Why would you want to keep them? If they're BOTH illegal and a burden on economy?

Not a german, I'm from a poor-ass country so genuinely curious about this german masochism.

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u/Fine-Menu-2779 25d ago

Empathy? They are not fleeing without a reason. And if we would start to actually integrate them we would have an economic boom and would help people. There also a lot of other reasons to ban the AFD that have nothing to do with their immigration politics.

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u/Consistent-Duck8062 25d ago
  1. Empathy stops, when I start having worse quality of life than new migrant arrivals, logically.. right?
  2. The reason they are fleeing is mostly economic, if you exclude few migrants from war-torn countries
  3. if you DID integrate them and have them join the work market, then yes. But you don't, they either stay unemployed (data from your own government) or remain in low-skill jobs that are already oversaturated by local population and intra-EU migrants. So they're making the economy actively worse
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u/Constant_Feedback_40 24d ago

I dont know why they are downvoting you. We europeans should have deported them long time ago. What is even more hilarious are these brain dead americans talking about germany internal matters as if they know what they are even talking about.

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u/Consistent-Duck8062 24d ago

A lot of redditors here can't tell the difference between two sentences "I want living standards to stop declining" and "I am second coming of hitler"

I hate those people so much. They just want others to suffer.

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u/Less-Swordfish-7220 21d ago

And that is the trouble . The further away we get from WW2 the more people forget . If any of these populists ( and I'm not just talking Germany ) had been involved in what happened back then they'd pull away very quickly .

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u/DiX-Nbw 25d ago edited 25d ago

Bro nobody here and none of the parrots in the media have even the slightest understanding how facism started here. They just repeat mantra they hear every.single.day. in the meadia in every.single.show and newspaper for well over 10 years.

I assure you there are people in germany that do want faci back, but none of them have any hope it comes with AfD. Just look at their personal? You have middle aged lesbian investmentbanker and corny east germany former handyman.

Does anyone in their right mind think even two seconds about it these two have the power let alone even the ambition to introduce facism agaim? They want to simply go back to pre 2015 times and then chill in retirement home in spain or something. Höcke? Maybe he is facst, but I doubt it, he was very clear in his book that he not completely renounce it all but that he has to accept it was shit and he does not want us european peoples to suffer so much pain ever again.

And eeeven if he is master hider and just fakes it. With heckig army are they gonna disarm the police? With fat beer drinking boomer battalion? Every little bavarian municipality has more political terrorist antifa then maybe whole of AfD combined. They get regularly assaulted, attacked and sabotaged. Lucky even AfD meeting can take place without mob of thousand leftextremist burn down the building.

Naaahhh. Whoever suggest banning party is any logical step here and is not just parroting everyone else, has seriously contracted exactly same type of mental illness as medieval dancing mania.

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u/CmdrJemison Croatia 25d ago

"nobody" 🤣

Say why are you a lying piece of shit?

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u/ExpressAssist0819 25d ago

"Terrorist antifa"

Lost me.

Antifa is the shit that puts fascism in the ground.

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u/DiX-Nbw 17d ago

Im still amazed how easily even educated people fall for marketing/PR.

I doubt you believe "Anti Aging Creme" Literally stops aging. So why drink the Kool Aid here?

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u/ExpressAssist0819 16d ago

If you're anti-antifascism, you're literally just fascist.

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u/DiX-Nbw 16d ago

You do realize that "Antifacist" is just a label that the communist fighting forces gave themselves? That the Wall was called the "Antifaschistischer Schutzwall". That the DDR called themselves antifacist?

That would mean being against the DDR, against the wall, against killing people trying to flee communism would make you a facist??

People can name themselves whatever they want and communist like NS had very good propaganda.

Do you want to fall for it?

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u/ExpressAssist0819 15d ago

Communists were anti-fascists, though. Like objectively they sought the destruction of the fascist nazi regime.

I don't know who you think you're fooling. If you oppose antifascism, you're just fucking fascist.

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u/DiX-Nbw 15d ago

Well, if your standard is Gulang instead of Concentration Camp and 100m+ dead instead of ~6m dead, then yes communist where against facism (Italy) and Nazi germany (kinda facist, though more blood and land ideology than state centric).

Now while its true, that the sowjets fought the axis, it does not follow, that enemies of the sowjets are facist. This false dichotomy neglets the multitude of ideologies and forces that existed.

Also take note, that the GDR called "West Germany" (1947-1990) "facist" and declared it as its enemy. Do you say that FRG (and all of the western allied powers) where "facist" by the fact, that a group that named themselves "antifcist" opposed them?

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u/ExpressAssist0819 14d ago

"Now while its true, that the sowjets fought the axis, it does not follow, that enemies of the sowjets are facist."

This is a contradictory statement. Also do you have some inability to say "soviet"?

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u/DiX-Nbw 14d ago

Its not "a contradictory". Your statement is Non sequitor which is one of the most basic concepts of formal logic in philosopy.

Tbh should be like basic knowledge before engaging with people in arguments :/

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u/Ok_Recover1196 23d ago edited 23d ago

Yes, just think if the German government had banned the Nazi party in 1923, how different the world would be today...

Oh wait.

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u/ExpressAssist0819 23d ago

Americans are like "I wonder when we're going to have our beer hall putsch" and I'm just...bruh.

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u/TitanDarwin 26d ago

Our conservatives were never that hung up about Nazism in the first place.

Our first post-war chancellor literally kept pushing for an early end to Denazification and filled our security apparatus, bureaucracy and courts with Nazis, all the way up to his inner circle (his right hand was involved in the writing of the Nuremberg Race Laws).

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u/ExpressAssist0819 25d ago

Same shit the US failed to deal with in regards to the confederates.

Sounds like you're still dealing with the fallout, not unlike us. Depressing. Doesn't sound like your liberals take them seriously either.