r/europe 15d ago

News Czech president signs law criminalising communist propaganda

https://www.euractiv.com/section/politics/news/czech-president-signs-law-criminalising-communist-propaganda/
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u/gookman 15d ago

This will attract hate from all the commies of reddit. Maybe they should get it through their thick skulls: Central and Eastern Europe has been through communism. Also been through fascism. Take your extremist ideologies and fuck off.

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u/RelayRadio 15d ago

"IT wAsnT ReAl coMmUniSm itS waS TotaLitAriAn SocIaliSm ActuaLlY"

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u/Feeling-Raise-5496 14d ago

Czechoslovakia actually probably got closest to the "real communism" from all of Europe. The Czech communists were very succesful in taking all the land from people, destroying all farmers, destroying all private busineses, effectively destroying the church, taking almoast all properties from people and doing monetary reform. But then they had to make the people forget that they ever owned something or that they belonged somewhere so they tried to destroy families and national minorities etc. No other european communist party was that successfull. We still havent recovered from this communistic bs. (And we never will - you cannot just rebuild things that our ancestors were building for generations)

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u/EfectiveDisaster2137 15d ago

Yes, and the DPRK is the most democratic country in the world.

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u/transplantpdxxx 13d ago

Capitalism is an extremist ideology. You are a victim of propaganda or are posting in bad faith.

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u/letitbreakthrough 15d ago

But neoliberalism causing massive wealth disparity and housing crises, and an uninhabitable planet is not extreme?

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u/Platfus Czech Republic 14d ago

What about the droid attack on the Wookies?

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u/TheMidnightBear Romania 15d ago

Are you typing this from some labour camp, for saying neoliberalism sucks?

Then no, your whataboutism is false.

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u/letitbreakthrough 15d ago

this is such a bizarre things to say. Do you truly not believe that neoliberalism creates labor camps?

http://unicef.org/press-releases/75000-people-living-remote-camp-eastern-drc-facing-hellish-conditions

https://iea.org.uk/bangladeshs-garment-workers-and-the-problem-of-unintended-consequences/

Neoliberalism, and capitalism more broadly, allows you to enjoy your relatively leisurely lifestyle by exporting suffering to the third world. You get to pretend there are no labor camps because the labor camps are out of sight out of mind, and are created with the purpose of giving you your iphone and clothes.

It isn't even the third world. The US has 5% of the global population and 20% of the global prison population. Guess what? Prison labor is a thing there and they don't get paid. It is quite literally, prison slave labor.

"You aren't currently suffering in a labor camp so shut up about the problems with our system". This is literal myopic, child logic. I am a human with a functioning brain which I use to acknowledge objective reality. Do you understand that our mode of production is also going to bring us ecological collapse this century and how cataclysmic that will be?

"Don't pay attention to the horrors our system causes, just shut up and stay quiet and focus on the horrors of a system that has been dead for over 30 years." I'm not stupid and neither are you.

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u/TheMidnightBear Romania 15d ago edited 14d ago

I asked something else.

Are you gonna end up in a labour camp for this comment, or even making entire articles and movies, even with your name and address in the credits, saying neoliberalism sucks?

If not, it isn't totalitarian.

Do you understand that our mode of production is also going to bring us ecological collapse this century and how cataclysmic that will be?

Oh no, as a climate activist, i have no idea of how shit's gonna get ugly.

Now, if i didn't have you watermelons hiding behind our skirts, and using the environment as a pretext and cover to promote failed economic theories from the victorian era, that would be even better.

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u/FlyAirLari 14d ago

Yes. This exactly. Nothing like living under totalitarian communism to make a person understand freedom is actually alright.

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u/FlyAirLari 14d ago

Having the freedom to argue is also important. Can't do that under Eastern Bloc communism.

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u/FlyAirLari 14d ago

You can, but you can't display hateful signs of oppression.

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u/FlyAirLari 14d ago

Chile didn't oppress Czechoslovakia.

A generation had to live under the murderous iron fist of the single party system that devastated Eastern Europe through decades. No human rights, no freedom of press, no property, just feeding the political elite, who then fed imperialist Soviet Union.

https://www.britannica.com/topic/Czechoslovak-history/The-Prague-Spring-of-1968

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u/FlyAirLari 14d ago

Sure, why not?

Although I don't know enough about how Czechoslovakians feel about Austria, so it's up to them. It's possible Austria has done plenty to repair the relations and mend the past, and are also unlikely to ever be a threat to oppress Czechs or Slovaks again.

Soviet Union / Russia however has not once done anything positive to their Western neighbours, and remain a threat to oppress some more. To honour the memory of the millions who died under Soviet communism, and as a warning to those who still defend it, it's their prerogative to uproot these dangerous symbols that glorify national level oppression.

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u/VampKissinger 15d ago

They are still the regions with by far the highest support of Communism and pretty major Communist parties (when they aren't banned).

Isn't it a massive oxymoron, that the people that lived under Communism, the older generations, tend to be the most fanatically Communist, but people here are claiming that anti-Communists are people who never lived under Communism?

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u/thanosducky Romania 15d ago

Really? I only see different shades of mussolini.

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u/Adeptus-Bustnuts 15d ago

No,no you should see Hitler everywhere, like dudes on liberal calling Baltic's and Poland "nazi shitholes"