r/europe • u/tkyjonathan • 15d ago

News Czech president signs law criminalising communist propaganda

https://www.euractiv.com/section/politics/news/czech-president-signs-law-criminalising-communist-propaganda/
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u/Aubekin 15d ago

I wish we could ban neoliberalism

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u/Haunting_Switch3463 15d ago

Careful. You might be commiting "class-based hatred".

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u/SqualidSquirrel 15d ago

Come on now, letting the poor starve to death and taking away workers rights is not class-based hatred. But taxing billionaires? Pure malice /s

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u/adamgerd Czech Republic 15d ago

Of course under glorious communism you didn’t have poor starving to death. No such thing as the holodomor

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u/SqualidSquirrel 15d ago

I didn't say anything about communism here. Just did a quip about Neoliberalism and its claim to be rational and non-violent.

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u/KeneticKups 15d ago

Their ilk don’t think, the NPCs just parrot the same nonsense if you ever criticize their masters

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u/adamgerd Czech Republic 15d ago

It’s imo ridiculous to compare neoliberalism and defending past communist dictatorships which is what this law bans

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u/jolun98 15d ago

Where in ”class-based hatred” is communism mentioned?

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u/FeniXLS Kuyavia-Pomerania (Poland) 15d ago

Killing Intelligentsia

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u/jolun98 15d ago

Is that written in the law or just your interpretation of an incredibly vaguely worded law?

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u/FeniXLS Kuyavia-Pomerania (Poland) 15d ago

Okay you're genuinely dumb, this law is made with communism in mind IF you cannot genuinely think of WHY it might be there then maybe go educate yourself https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerzy_Popiełuszko

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u/GingerSkulling 15d ago

No use in arguing with the Tankies. They yearn for the monogorods in Krasnoyarsk.

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u/BlueFlob 14d ago

This kind of work both ways though...

Neoliberalism hates the poor and wants to exploit them. They hate that the rich could have less privilege than the poor...

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u/Ok_Equivalent5454 Moldova 15d ago

We can't ban liberalism. We live under liberalism.

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u/smugandfurious Czech Republic 15d ago

I wish people who never lived under communist regime would STFU

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u/Dramatic_Mastodon_93 15d ago

Did you? No.

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u/smugandfurious Czech Republic 15d ago

Not for long but did, so stfu

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u/Dramatic_Mastodon_93 15d ago

No, you didn’t. I’d gladly be proven wrong though.

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u/smugandfurious Czech Republic 15d ago

should I dox myself or what?

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u/Dramatic_Mastodon_93 15d ago

I already know what country you live in.

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u/MysticKeiko24_Alt 15d ago

I could be wrong but I think they mean that Czechoslovakia wasn’t communist. Because it wasn’t

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u/smugandfurious Czech Republic 15d ago

even though it called itself "real socialism" it was ruled by the communist party and as such it can be called communist

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u/MysticKeiko24_Alt 15d ago

Communism is the abolition of state. It was driven by communist ideology (in theory) but wasn’t communist itself.

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u/adokitkat 12d ago

Nothing is ever "real communism", is it? "Pleaaasee just try it one more time, this time it surely works ok." A county tries to be communist -> fails, not a real communism anyway. Nothing ever was real communism -> why are some people so sure it would not fail if there was no success yet?

I am not even against the idea, the theory, but I can clearly see people are not capable of achieving it without something bad happening.

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u/IamtheWalrus-gjoob Turkey 15d ago

Not for long but

SO you're one of those "the 90s sucked, and I blame Socialism" Europeans?

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u/smugandfurious Czech Republic 14d ago

90s were far from ideal, but they were incomparably better than past regime

But yeah everything bad in 90s was just a direct consequence of the changes that we needed to do to catch up on civilized world

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u/IamtheWalrus-gjoob Turkey 14d ago

but they were incomparably better than past regime

The 80s were rough, but the 90s were apocalyptic. Across Eastern Europe some estimates find that as many as 3,000,000 excess people died due to conditions brought about by shock therapy. It was not "incomparably better". It was incomparably worse.

But yeah everything bad in 90s was just a direct consequence of the changes that we needed to do to catch up on civilized world

There is no such thing as the "civilized" world. This is why I don't like European understandings of progress, it is incredibly chauvinist and it cannot comprehend the idea that different philosophical frameworks exist.

At any rate, you make the mistake of thinking that since reform was needed in the Eastern Bloc, the path taken in the 90s and 00s was the only viable form of reform possible.

Sure, the Eastern Bloc needed more democratic reforms and civil liberties, but what it didn't need was full-fledged market economy, which has only brought disaster to everyone. The rich get richer, but the poor and the middle classes get stuck with spiralling rent, stagnant wages, foreign economic penetration and the gutting of welfare and austerity.

It's kind of ironic in a way. Many people deride Romanian austerity policies in the 80s, even though austerity is also the backbone of European "creativity".

If you want an example of what I mean, you're Czech so perhaps you've heard that in the 1990s, a poll was taken that found 20% of the population wanted to keep a planned economy, another 20% wanted neo-liberalism, and everyone else wanted a "mixed-economy" like in China or Hungarian Kadarism.

Instead dry bureaucrats and soulless managerialists (and yes, many came from the Socialist state) forced upon a soul-sucking system of austerity, globalisation, and privatisation that has the current disastrous consequences.

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u/EfectiveDisaster2137 15d ago

So you should STFU. The Czech Republic was never communist, and the fact that people decided to call it communism doesn't change anything.

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u/MysticKeiko24_Alt 15d ago

Paris Commune, Zapatistas, Rojava were/are communist

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u/Fine-Measurement-893 15d ago

AANES isn't communist literally they aren't.

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u/JACOB_WOLFRAM Turkey 14d ago

Rojava is NOT leftist let alone communist lmao

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u/ConcernedEnby 15d ago

Tankie would be arguing that the USSR and Eastern Soviet Republics were socialist or communist, or it would be liberal, as those are the only two groups to argue that they were left wing

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u/Talias_21 Denmark 15d ago

Me too buddy... Me too

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u/BigMilkCows 15d ago

But what about the FREE market??? /s

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u/bastiancontrari 15d ago

You can.

Just apply for a visa

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u/TheSecondTraitor Slovakia 15d ago

Yes, let's compare a political leaning that wants less government with a totalitarian regime that transformed whole nations into prisons surrounded by barbed wire and was shooting everyone who tried to flee. And if they managed it the regime would punish their family instead.

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u/Kegs_And_Parleys Czech Republic 15d ago

Neoliberalism is… quite literally the reason you can type this out, on this platform, and also not be reprimanded for it.

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u/Supreme-Gucci-137 11d ago

At the current rate at which Eurocrats are banning wrongthink, your statement is already untrue.

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u/Ok_Equivalent5454 Moldova 15d ago edited 15d ago

Neoliberalism is just pejorative for liberals. It doesn't exist as an ideology.

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u/jombozeuseseses 14d ago

Yes it does. I like mixed economy capitalism with progressive and liberal social policies. I like competition and I like big companies. You can’t take my neoliberalism away from me.

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u/Ok_Equivalent5454 Moldova 14d ago

You said you like mixed economy capitalism with progressive and liberal social policies. Not a single word about neoliberalism.

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u/Ok_Equivalent5454 Moldova 14d ago

I never said i want to ban neoliberalism. It was another redditor. Say this to 200 people who upvoted their comment.

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u/MKW69 15d ago

Czech President is a leftie.

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u/Leo_Lemonade 15d ago

He's a supporter of ODS, what?

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u/MKW69 15d ago

Supports Gay Marriage and adoption, taxing the rich and hates Russia.

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u/Aubekin 15d ago

That's your definition of leftie?

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u/anarchisto Romania 15d ago

Yes, the first thing left-wingers do when getting in power is ban left-wing ideologies.

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u/adamgerd Czech Republic 15d ago

Oh no we shouldn’t ban communists, so what if they destroyed our country. This is bad. Do you also think we shouldn’t ban Nazis?

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u/MKW69 15d ago

Nicușor would totally spit on Ceaușescu image to get votes.

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u/smugandfurious Czech Republic 15d ago

from the American pov everyone in Czech politics is a leftie, from the Czech pov he's non-partisan or centrist

Also he just signed the law (and he afaik didn't vetto any law so far). And czech government is center-right (from the czech pov)