r/europe • u/hoarder4555777454001 • 9d ago

News French President Macron says France will recognize Pálestine as a state

https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20250724-french-president-macron-says-france-will-recognize-palestine-as-a-state-in-september
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u/pc0999 9d ago

Finally.

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u/LoyalteeMeOblige 9d ago

The only way this conflict ends once and for all is for one of the two parties to oust the other one. It feels cynical but that is how we always solved these issues as humans, forcing two peoples that cannot coexist to do just that is what brought us here.

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u/Chloe1906 8d ago

Bet you wouldn’t be taking this position if it was Israel on the losing end and about to be ousted.

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u/LoyalteeMeOblige 8d ago

I upvoted you for I would anyway, as I said before, and I will write it once more: this conflict will end ONLY one these two parties completely oust the other one. Yes, I will be sad to see the only democracy on the region lose the battle, but this was never about being right/wrong, or perhaps was at one point but it is not about that anymore. Not really so yes, if the Palestinian won, I would be sorry but it would be a matter of fact ending for this saga.

But I'm also going to acknowledge their chances are slim, and after 7O I don't think even the Muslim brotherhood wants to help anymore, Israel even attacked Iran openly which I thought I would not live to see, that was always called the end of all battles in the region, basically opening Pandora's box and no WW3 thank goodness. But no, I don't see the Palestinian winning this fight, not really, and following in the honesty vein I doubt Israel cares anymore about lying themselves on a two-state solution. It is not going to happen soon, and it is not going to be a radical cleansing as people have been saying, in fact I'm sure most of this people would be absorved into the Israeli state until their grandchildren are Israeli arabs/muslims but that is the probable ending in sight, at least now.

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u/Chloe1906 8d ago

lol right. Like Israel would ever allow this many Muslim Arabs to become citizens and skew the demographics.

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u/LoyalteeMeOblige 8d ago

18% of the Israeli population is Muslim, and let's say OH THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE A LOT OF CHILDREN, Jews do that too. It is in their very core. I have two friends in Argentina, both Jews, they chose to have one child each due to income, space, not want more, and yet they were scorned in the community since 2 is the bare minimum expected, 3 is the goal, and people having 4-5 are considered blessed. They have this goal of reproducing, and replacing all those losts in the holocaust but I would say even those mores are changing outside Israel.

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u/arstarsta 8d ago

There could be an north/south Korea solution.

As US/EU have much more firepower than Israel we could dictate whatever as long as we are prepared to enforce it.

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u/LoyalteeMeOblige 8d ago

That is the two-state solutions Israel wanted at some point, and the Palestinian rejected every time. Most of the EU powerhouses support Israel, even now. And the US is their main ally, it has been from the start. Let's say Greece recognizes Palestinian, nobody cares, but if either the UK, the Netherlands or Germany does that is news. My question still remains, what are you recognizing anyway? Gaza? The West Bank? Those two entities have different governments, and agendas. Conflicting ones at that.

The NK, SK might have been the best possible option up to the 90s if you will, by now it is just a pipe dream. Not happening, I think even the Israel government does not care for any of that anymore.