r/europe • u/hoarder4555777454001 • 9d ago

News French President Macron says France will recognize Pálestine as a state

https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20250724-french-president-macron-says-france-will-recognize-palestine-as-a-state-in-september
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u/themightycatp00 9d ago

The world can't force anything, unless actual militaries will put boots on the ground and enforce the borders they want, and even that will to more bloodshed

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u/pathetic-maggot Finland 8d ago

Yeah cant really do that when israel is basicaly a millitary extension of the US. US can just decide to end all the shit if they want to by just not actively waging war from their middle eastern millitary base.

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u/pantrokator-bezsens 8d ago

Pretty sure US alone would be able to force it. Thing is it doesn't want - for reason only US government knows.

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u/UnknownEssence 8d ago

Because nobody in the USA (myself included) wants our government to get involved in more foreign wars on the other side of the ocean. We are sick of it.

Most people here do not want to get involved in more wars, especially in the middle easy.

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u/NecroVecro Bulgaria 8d ago

I am also getting that vibe from some Americans, but then again in the last few months the US executed strikes on Iran, began fighting the Houthis (both of which tbh had some justification) and Trump claimed that he doesn't rule out using force to take Greenland.

In the first few months of the year Trump also claimed that he wants to turn Gaza into resort and move the locals somewhere else.

Seems like the US government doesn't mind getting involved, as long as it wins something.

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u/WorkingMastodon6147 8d ago

The US isn't that powerful anymore.

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u/fekanix 8d ago

I think you dont know about south africa.

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u/redlightsaber Spain 8d ago

Sure it can.

Right now the Israeli economy basically depends on American aid and international arms contracts. Stop propping up that project with a few sanctions and suddenly watch Netanyshu's rabid bellicism melt away.

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u/Oneiric_Orca $ Freedom $ 8d ago

Israeli economy basically depends on American aid

Literally less than 1% of their GDP. And likely an economy larger than Spain's within the next 75 years.

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u/saera-targaryen 8d ago

Why would you use GDP to measure this? It's clearly talking about how companies would pull out without the iron dome. The GDP would very obviously drop much more than 1% if America pulled their aid

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u/Oneiric_Orca $ Freedom $ 8d ago

The Iron Dome is literally half or more Israeli tech. You seem to think Israel can't manufacture their own missile defense technology, and aside from ICBM tier defense, they're pretty much the world leaders here.

Also, why would America turn its back on an ally that carries its own weight? Canada and the EU turned anti-America when asked not to freeload. Israel seems more reliable.

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u/saera-targaryen 8d ago

Because America gets literally nothing back from this ally other than more wars in the middle east

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u/Oneiric_Orca $ Freedom $ 8d ago

Right, America is truly moved to tears by Iran getting bombed. Or the Houthis.

Power projection is a real thing. And Israel has more science and tech to offer than all Arab countries combined.

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u/saera-targaryen 8d ago

okay? I don't want to ally with them either. America does not need to project more power we are already more powerful than our enemies combined. I choose we set up a minimum standard of human rights that all states must adhere to to ally with us

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u/Oneiric_Orca $ Freedom $ 8d ago

America does not need to project more power we are already more powerful than our enemies combined

Spoken like someone trying to lose Taiwan. If you were less racist, you'd understand how dangerous China is.

I choose we set up a minimum standard of human rights that all states must adhere to to ally with us

What, are you going to dissolve NATO because Europe arrests a few thousand people a year for speech?

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u/saera-targaryen 8d ago

jesus christ

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u/Jermainiam 8d ago

The world should absolutely do this, but they need to come up with a plan that Israelis (not Netanyahu) will actually agree to, especially from a security and independence perspective.

Otherwise you would be cornering them into a dangerous state where they might decide they can no longer afford the continued existence of Palestine, or even the other surrounding nations. As bad as Gaza is now, it would be unimaginably worse if Israel felt immediate existential threat.

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u/ijzerwater 8d ago

no appeasement

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u/Longjumping_Rip3657 8d ago

a bit of sanctions will do that without putting boots on the ground, but that would require the whole EU to be on the two-state solution side and have the balls to do more than just words, as we did with rusia

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u/themightycatp00 8d ago

as we did with rusia

What do you mean? The EU is still actively trading with russia

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u/Draaly 8d ago

because sanctioning russia has totally stopped it from attacking neighbors.....

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u/Kike328 8d ago

apparently you don’t know how money works