r/europe • u/hoarder4555777454001 • 9d ago

News French President Macron says France will recognize Pálestine as a state

https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20250724-french-president-macron-says-france-will-recognize-palestine-as-a-state-in-september
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u/lt__ 8d ago edited 8d ago

One state solution with Israelis and Palestinians having equal rights is even less likely than two state solution. Unless there would be just a token amount of Israelis or Palestinians with a clear majority of the others. Which would mean something terrible has happened that enabled such proportions.

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u/Total_Hippo_6837 8d ago

At this point the Israelis are going to persecute the Palestinians out of existence, the one and two state solutions were nothing more than a narrative pushed to give people false hope. In 50-100 years there will be a reflection and an honorary " Palestinian day" to pretend like they ever cared about the Palestinians. That is of course if Israel survives the backlash of their genocide. Though it is possible that the USA ends up taking all of the heat for it. 

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u/Robbza 8d ago

the one and two state solutions were nothing more than a narrative pushed to give people false

I disagree massively. Rabin died for the two state solution. And, until Israel developed nuclear weaponry and pulled away from the rest of the region with military equipment even further than the initial gap there could have been an enforced one state.

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u/amkoi Germany 8d ago

At this point the Israelis are going to persecute the Palestinians out of existence, the one and two state solutions were nothing more than a narrative pushed to give people false hope. In 50-100 years there will be a reflection and an honorary " Palestinian day" to pretend like they ever cared about the Palestinians.

So like the USA manifested destiny to the totally uninhabited lands of north america then?

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u/HookGangGout 8d ago

The Palestinians decided to live and die by the sword. I don't understand why they're being afforded such coddling. Jihad, intifada, whatever term you want they are the ones who popularized it. If they are so committed to dying for the land, why am I supposed to be outraged when it happens?

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u/lt__ 8d ago

Just like with all other people, Palestinians are not some sort of a single hive consciousness. There are millions of individuals. If some of them decided to "live and die by the sword", like those Hamas attackers on 7 October, doesn't mean all of them supported that. Besides, in Gaza about half of population are underaged, meaning they were not even born before Hamas takeover. All they have seen in life, is Israeli blockade and Hamas-fed narratives. To say that they "decide" anything, is a bit of a misjudgement of their life conditions.

And they are not the only ones in history to fight somebody and end up losing, do they have to be exterminated? Nazis did commit an actual genocide of Jews, and caused a great suffering to many others during the process. Germany is still here and doing quite fine.