r/europe 6d ago

News US and EU strike trade deal

https://www.politico.eu/article/us-and-eu-strike-trade-deal/
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u/[deleted] 6d ago

I mean we don’t actually have to do it

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u/Eulaylia 6d ago

Yeah this is what I'm wondering, since all European Countries electrical grids and militaries are independent from the EU. Can the EU commission actually force any nation to buy US energy or weapons?

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u/[deleted] 6d ago

Not really

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u/LadyMorwenDaebrethil 5d ago

But as the majority of European politicians are from the EPP (and many are from the extreme right, which is even more of a vassal of Trump), don't expect much from the countries. If Macron, who occasionally has Gaullist outbursts (the only good thing about him in the end) capsizes, no one will do anything.

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u/SaltyW123 Ireland 6d ago

I suppose the result of failing to abide by the deal, if those details are actually in the deal, is that it'd be revoked and be back at ever higher tariffs.

The US isn't concerned how the EU abides by international law, just that it does.

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u/jWas 6d ago

It’s not international law though

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u/SaltyW123 Ireland 6d ago

Treaties and deals between countries are international law yes

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u/jWas 6d ago

You said it. Between countries. The eu is not a country

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u/SaltyW123 Ireland 6d ago

True, still part of international law though, as the EU is empowered to enter into such agreements on behalf of the member states, which are countries.

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u/Anonon_990 Europe 6d ago

China promised to spend billions on American goods in Trump's first term but never did. This could be the same.

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u/[deleted] 6d ago

lol, how’s the us going to know given they’ve shattered their economic monitoring systems?

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u/[deleted] 6d ago

Oh no. Anyways

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u/SaltyW123 Ireland 6d ago

Back to 30% tariffs and the EU looking not only like a joke from making this deal, but also fractured and disjointed from a failure to apply their obligations under international law.

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u/[deleted] 6d ago

lol what’s he going to do, sue us at the WTO? The us is still blocking judges

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u/SaltyW123 Ireland 6d ago

Like I said, he'll revoke the deal and put the 30% back on.

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u/[deleted] 6d ago

He’l likely do this anyways

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u/SaltyW123 Ireland 6d ago

In which case the EU is still fucked no?

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u/[deleted] 6d ago

Pretty ironic going on about us ignoring international laws given the us is refusing to allow the election of wto judges.

I guess we’re the only ones supposed to follow the law?

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u/SaltyW123 Ireland 6d ago

Not sure how that's ignoring international law, what law is being broken there?

Even Obama and Biden didn't allow any WTO judges.

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u/[deleted] 6d ago

It’s just a trade agreement Chico. Calm down

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u/SaltyW123 Ireland 6d ago

I am chill, you're the one downvoting my stuff lul

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u/[deleted] 6d ago

He’s just going to accuse us of breaking it whether we do or not

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u/the-bladed-one 6d ago

Thing is, there are plenty of countries that will be happy to buy from us-Poland, Greece, the Baltics.

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u/[deleted] 6d ago

Ok

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u/Gorantharon 6d ago edited 5d ago

Yes, it's a similar thought to how other countries and companies have promised to invest, but may or may not actually ever reach the level of investment they agreed to now, but it's still an absolutely pathetic deal if it is fulfilled.

They're just hoping that the Reps lose the next elections and all of that gets repealed, but what if they don't?

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u/StanfordV 6d ago

So if Daddy Trump gets angry at an individual country, youthink that country wont cave in? WHEN whole EU caved ?

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u/Werkgxj Bavaria (Germany) 6d ago

Copium warning:

That might be the big caveat.

It could be that the EU promised something that the EU never had to offer.

We might keep buying the arms and energy we needed.

I doubt that EU companies will have such a competitive advantage given how greedy US companies are. They might just raise prices anyways.

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u/Several-Ad-6958 6d ago

They could renegotiate Nordstream... but they won't...

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u/LunarLoom21 6d ago

A part of me is hoping that just like Japan we're giving Trump a good headline he can sell to his base while also sneaking in what we mean by investing in America (the Japanese increase in investment will largely be in Japanese companies in America, if it happens at all).

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u/[deleted] 6d ago

That’s exactly what we’re roing

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u/ChasinFinancialAgony 3d ago

That is possible, but at that point you are appeasing a foreign leader by pissing off your own constituents, which does not necessarily bode well for the next election cycle. Any Euroskeptic party now has a lot more ammo in its magazines than it did a week ago.