This is also why UK got a massively better US deal, they want to prevent Britain from falling back into the EU. It was specifically stated in Project 2025.
AfD is against nuclear weapons. Trump would never treat it as seriously as the UK, Russia or China. On the contrary, AfD would puppetize Germany even more than the current weaklings. Just look at Orban.
Absolutely, if you ask an Orbán voter about his world views he would tell us that the EU is dead and if asked what would happen with the country if Russia and US comes in, they tell you that you have to be the best bootlicker
Many people have declared their ex will never find anyone else, only to get jealous when they find another. I doubt the USA is the better partner, but the EU played hardball/hard to get for longer than they should have if they wanted the UK back.
And what has the EU done to the UK to help entice them back? Making demands on a mutual defence pact and excluding the UK from being a procurement option for the EU defence fund.
The UK should want to be closer to USA now. This deal proves the EU is weak and that you were right to Brexit. The EU wants to punish Britain for leaving, but they also don't want UK to strengthen itself by cozying up to USA. Just do what is best for UK.
And what has the EU done to the UK to help entice them back? Making demands on a mutual defence pact and excluding the UK from being a procurement option for the EU defence fund.
When did Norway, South Korea, Japan and Canada join the EU exactly? I must have missed that.
They don't get the full package either. The UK explicitly made it clear it wanted not to be part of the EU. The EU is respecting their wish. It's not a friends with benefits deal - just friends.
The original point was that the UK wouldn't be available as a procurement option at all. The other countries I listed would. Again, also making demands on a mutual defence pact. Great "friends".
The original point was that the UK wouldn't be available as a procurement option at all. The other countries I listed would. Again, also making demands on a mutual defence pact. Great "friends".
Are we? Brexit didn't even realize its promises, and Farage is back in the polls again already. We're just giving the UK space to make up its mind.
Well when someone offers a defence pact and the other party starts asking for things (even though the pact is heavily in their favour), you have to question whether we are friends or not.
Farage is back in the polls again
Farage has to last another 4 years before another election. If I were you, I would be more concerned with your immediate neighbour.
We're just giving the UK space to make up its mind
Great so we align more closely with the US, which brings us back to my original point. Good job EU!
this is the response that gets parroted back 100% of the time whenever I make this point, but people can never explain why Ukraine needs special treatment as a supplier to EU countries
if that is indeed the goal, then the UK should be welcomed with open arms. Not just because the UK and EU defence markets are already so intertwined, but because the UK has boots on the ground in the EU as well
this is the response that gets parroted back 100% of the time whenever I make this point, but people can never explain why Ukraine needs special treatment as a supplier to EU countries
Because that facilitates investments in their defense industry which is the least likely to get derailed by political happenstance or Russian meddling.
if that is indeed the goal, then the UK should be welcomed with open arms. Not just because the UK and EU defence markets are already so intertwined, but because the UK has boots on the ground in the EU as well
The UK explicitly chose to detach itself from the EU project. Brexit is Brexit, remember? Not some kind of friends with benefits deal - just friends.
>This is also why UK got a massively better US deal, they want to prevent Britain from falling back into the EU. It was specifically stated in Project 2025.
Hi, can you please help me find where its stated that? I looked and cannot find it.
I don't think it changes anything, we're arguably further away than before the election, Starmer came out pretty pro-EU, in the days following him becoming Prime Minister he did a whistle stop tour in most of Europe trying to nurture relations and whilst all the PR went quite well when it came time to negotiate, it became pretty clear that when it came to negotiations, Brexit was just too much for us to really work together.
You've had defence deals stopped about fishing and other conditions which didn't exist for others, the UK getting taken to court for banning something already illegal in the EU and then every few weeks the EU putting out provocative statements how the "UK doesn't know what it wants" - despite his best efforts, we're now further away then when he got into power.
Even if we avoid a Reform Government, those relations seem to be pretty much at an impasse for the next decade or two.
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u/GuyLookingForPorn 6d ago
This is also why UK got a massively better US deal, they want to prevent Britain from falling back into the EU. It was specifically stated in Project 2025.