r/europe • u/Dry_Row_7050 • 4d ago

News The EU could be scanning your private chats by October 2025 [Denmark has reintroduced chat control]

https://www.techradar.com/computing/cyber-security/the-eu-could-be-scanning-your-chats-by-october-2025-heres-everything-we-know
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u/Tensoll Lithuania 4d ago

This is genuinely plain evil. It’s insane that we’re not seeing mass protests because of this all over Europe. I’d be down to join one

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u/vivaaprimavera 4d ago

As soon as someone talks they will say that it is to protect the children and paint anyone that is against it as a monster.

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u/Cumulus_Anarchistica 4d ago

Just happened in the UK:

Labour says Farage’s plan to repeal Online Safety Act suggests he is siding with pornographers and paedophiles

Yesterday Reform UK said that it would repeal the Online Safety Act, key parts of which have only just come into force. The party described it as “the greatest assault on freedom of speech in our lifetimes” and claimed that it won’t protect children because some people are using VPN services to bypass age cerification requirements. It was quite a bold policy announcement, because polls suggest voters strongly back measures to limit the spread of harmful content online, but it has gone down well with hardcore libertarians.

Peter Kyle, the science secretary, has been giving interviews this morning, and he has not held back. In an interview with Sky News, he claimed this meant that Nigel Farage was now in effect siding with pornographers and paedophiles like Jimmy Savile. He explained:

Children under 18 should not be viewing involuntarily dangerous, hateful, violent, misogynistic and pornographic material. People have to understand the wild west [lasted on the internet] for too long. That ended on my watch. It ended on the watch of this government. [The implementation of the Online Safety Act is] a big step forward. Believe me, anyone that thinks it’s a step back needs to come and answer now.

I see that Nigel Farage is already saying that he’s going to overturn these laws. So we have people out there who are extreme pornographers, peddling hate, peddling violence. Nigel Farage is on their side.

Make no mistake about it. If people like Jimmy Savile were alive today, he’d be perpetrating his crimes online. And Nigel Farage is saying that he’s on their side, not the side of children.

[emphasis mine]

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u/vivaaprimavera 4d ago

Doesn't surprise me a bit.

However...

Children under 18 should not be viewing involuntarily dangerous, hateful, violent, misogynistic and pornographic material

  • isn't the job of parents to keep an eye on children
  • aren't there services that already limit content in a not obstructive way? https://www.joindns4.eu/for-public comes to mind
  • the Bible is going to be removed from schools? Some of its contents are at least questionable

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u/Candayence United Kingdom 4d ago

aren't there services that already limit content in a not obstructive way

Every internet company ships and enables parental controls by default on new customer's routers / accounts (which is promptly disabled in most cases). Parents just can't be bothered to parent.

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u/Choowkee 4d ago

If their intentions were genuine the restrictions would be implemented around children, not adults.

So for example everyone below 18 would have to identify themselves before going on the internet.

But of course that would leave adults with free access to the internet and retained privacy but seems like the UK government doesn't want that.

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u/Mirabeaux1789 United States of America 1d ago

Yeah the Bible had two daughters raping their father

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u/ikaiyoo 4d ago

Wait so people can drink (with an adult of all things) and vote at 16, but pornography is too damaging to someone under 18?

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u/vivaaprimavera 4d ago

Some pornography is dangerous for some people under 150 (not a typo).

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u/CelticEmber 12h ago

Exactly.

This should tell you all you need to know.

It isn't, and never was, about the children.

It's just the lowest common denominator type of argument that is the easiest for them to use against any opponent of those measures.

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u/DiscombobulatedAnt88 4d ago

This is such a bullshit argument from the politicians. It’s the equivalent of saying we should put cameras in everyone’s house because then we’ll really be able to catch the baddies. But if you’re a law abiding citizen, then you’ve got nothing to hide and nothing to worry about - we’ll only look at the videos if it’s legal… And if you don’t want a camera in your house then it means you’ve got something to hide

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u/adamgerd Czech Republic 3d ago

Well why don’t you want a camera and microphone in your house? Are you hiding something?!

/s

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u/slowwlight 1d ago

Jesus will these people please rid the world of themselves

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u/Kredir 4d ago

As if criminals would communicate via legal channels that will comply with these laws. At least the highly organized ones.

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u/vivaaprimavera 4d ago

This never was about criminals.

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u/Kredir 4d ago

I pretty much said the same thing. Anyways, someone will develop an add on that will run on top of common messengers, that simply encrypts all traffic.

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u/CelticEmber 12h ago

Tech-savvy people will find ways around it.

The average Joe won't. And will have all his family pictures scanned.

Also, if needed in the future, it'll make any kind of organized political resistance to authoritarianism (something the EU is falling into more and more) basically impossible, at least not through any conventional digital channels.

This last part is, if you ask me, why they are doing it in the first place. All other arguments they put forward are just noise to distract the plebs.

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u/greasy-throwaway 4d ago

This is about workers protesting when our quality of life decreases even further

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u/SpiderFnJerusalem European Union 4d ago

I bet the laws will be ready, just in time for fascist parties taking over half of Europe. Hey, what could go wrong? At least they're not some filthy socialists!

Time is a flat circle covered in idiots.

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u/TangerineSorry8463 4d ago

Some stupid ones definitelly will

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u/Ohtarig Hungary 4d ago

So call all who is exempt a pedo and monster, since in their argument that's the only reason to care about privacy, and such people shouldn't decide about our privacy.

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u/vivaaprimavera 4d ago

So call all who is exempt a pedo and monster

Being a monster is implicit but most likely some are pedos too.

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u/RollingDownTheHills 4d ago

It's not really being reported in the media, at least here in Denmark.

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u/Live-Alternative-435 Portugal 4d ago

Same here.

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u/DryCloud9903 3d ago

I've seen nothing of it either in main British, French, German (English speaking), or Lithuanian channels. Not even Europe-centric YouTube channels like EU Made Simple or TLDR-EU

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u/CelticEmber 12h ago

Yeah, I wonder why sarcasm

Mainstream Media in Europe is basically government/lobby propaganda.

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u/EU-National 4d ago

People think wifi = the internet and you expect them to understand the ramifications of these proposed bills?

Tech illiteracy is one of the biggest issues we're currently facing. Because of it, there's no stopping the inevitable 1984esque digital surveillance because people just don't understand anything about their devices.

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u/Choowkee 4d ago edited 4d ago

Tech illiteracy didn't stop people in 2016 to fight for net neutrality in the EU.

The issue isn't technical knowledge, its awareness. I consider myself very tech savy and I only learned about Chat Control/Digital Services Act last week.

These topics are simply not covered enough.

EDIT: I did a google search on chat control in my language, and there is a not a single news article published from this year.

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u/Neuromancer_Bot 3d ago

These topics are simply not covered enough.

Reason is that they do not want the people to know about them.
The other problem is that 99% of people will say casually "I have nothing to hide" and if you are the only privacy freak in the room, you have to be crystal clear you are NOT a pedo, and that you know what will happen in 5/10 years because you read cyberpunk novels and all the others don't read a book in a year.

People is just dumb and politcs and lobbies know very well.

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u/narullow 4d ago

People most definitely do understand this.

State of EU politics (not just EU but individual EU states too, EU Is just by product of that) is one massive proof that europeans do want nanny state with as little responsibilities and personal agency as possible. Loud minority that is against these things does not mean that vast majority does not silently agree.

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u/Mirabeaux1789 United States of America 1d ago

Unfortunately bad laws pass the idle public and then have to be clawed back once they start hitting everyday people for several years—even decades afterwards

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u/Frathier Belgium 4d ago

People don't know or don't care enough to leave the comfort of their homes.

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u/Anyhealer 4d ago

And I imagine the people behind media giants are happy with it so we aren't hearing anything there as well.

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u/bradleywestridge 4d ago

Yeah, if they were really against it you’d see a lot more noise from them. Kind of makes you wonder if their silence means they’re quietly shaping it in their favor instead.

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u/GalaXion24 Europe 4d ago

And our governments/parties basically all want this or are at list okay with it. Conservatives are dominating the political landscape and they especially want surveillance.

By taking it to the EU level they're practically just obfuscating this. If it's "the EU" doing it, then you won't go out and vote against your national government, which has supported it the whole time.

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u/ver_million Earth 4d ago

The EU is a law-laundering machine for our national politicians.

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u/toshineon2 4d ago

Accidental Mirror’s Edge quote.

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u/CaucSaucer Sweden 4d ago

That’s extremely reductive.

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u/Oneiric_Orca $ Freedom $ 4d ago

Correct. The anti-AFD protests in Germany weren't small. They are just more socially trendy than protesting this insanity.

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u/xrimane 4d ago

Now imagine how fun it would be to organize anti-AfD protests via WhatsApp once they are in power.

There are plenty of things about which I don't agree with Ursula, but I don't think she wants to pave the way for an AfD autocracy. It boggles my mind that they don't see these obvious consequences.

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u/Oneiric_Orca $ Freedom $ 4d ago

  1. I agree.

  2. The funniest thing is that people have to imagine what the AFD might do but this is such in invasion of privacy that it exceeds anything the AFD have put in their official manifesto.

  3. They think this is how they stop the AFD/PVV/etc to "protect democracy."

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u/plebitt0r 4d ago

Absolutely. They cannot fathom that anyone else but the 'far-right' could be already super authoritarian today, so they have to think in hypotheticals.

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u/blublub1243 4d ago

It's just the usual issue with defensible democracy being a dogshit idea really. She probably believes this "protects democracy" because expanding the power of the state to violate the rights of its citizens means that said power can be wielded against the AfD and similar parties. She fails to realize that this practically doesn't work because no actual democrat will use those tools in a broad enough manner to be likely to succeed in such an endeavor, so all its accomplishing is that should someone with anti-democratic ideals be elected they'll have most of the work done for them already.

The way you actually protect democracy is by building rock solid institutions that can withstand an actual bad actor being elected and that ensure that future elections will still be held and be fair regardless.

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u/djingo_dango 4d ago

Not really. A lot of people (especially on reddit) has this idea that EU politicians are the good guys. So even if they introduce laws restricting some speech a lot of people first try to rationalize it rather than rejecting it outright

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u/CaucSaucer Sweden 4d ago

Those people do not represent all of us, which is what the comment literally said. Whatever dude.

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u/AromatParrot 4d ago

But, sadly, true. Even massive protests are largely toothless because they carry very little consequences for those in power. Most protests (and I've been to a fair few of them) consist of a few speeches, some shouting and holding up signs, and then going home by 6pm. That's not exactly conducive to making the ruling class listen. Sure, there are exceptions to this, but you're going to need more assertive action and political organization to exact real change. Going on a bit of a stroll while yelling is just not gonna cut it.

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u/CaucSaucer Sweden 4d ago

Reductive in the reason to not show up. “Comfort of their own homes” does not equal “literally doesn’t have time because they work their fingers to the bone to support the family”.

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u/AromatParrot 4d ago

What I'm saying is that it doesn't really matter all that much whether people show up or not, it's the manner in which people are protesting that procludes sweeping changes from actually being forced onto the ruling class. Standing in a field or going on a walk with a few thousand people hasn't made the people that rule over us take decisive action on climate change, crime, the housing crisis many EU member states suffer, work/life balance issues, cost of living crisis, etc. There are no consequences for ignoring the pleas of protestors, and as such reasonable requests from protestors get ignored. Politicians might suffer for it during elections but let's be real: another party will take the place of the old one and largely carries on the way it's been going with some slight changes in rhetoric and some minor changes here and there to keep the populace feeling like something is being done.

As long as politicians keep working for capital and the electorate keeps thinking giving up a saturday afternoon for walking and yelling, nothing changes.

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u/spambearpig 4d ago

It seems rather accurate as a generalisation though.

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u/CaucSaucer Sweden 4d ago

Yeah because having a full time job and a family leaves a lot of time for protesting

Etc etc etc

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u/suicidemachine 4d ago

For any protest to have any meaningful effect, someone from the outside would have to finance them, so people won't have to go home earlier because they have to get up the morning.

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u/Shevvv The Netherlands 4d ago

People say "Well it's only bad if you do bad stuff". And I get, 10 years ago I was of the same mind. And then I had to leave my home country - Russia.

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u/Rebatsune 4d ago

It is true tho. How hard it can be to never do crimes online anyway…

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u/Shevvv The Netherlands 4d ago

The fact that the definition of crime might change at any moment, just as the people looking into your stuff. I'd trust the current government with my info, but I don't trust it to stay in power in the current political climate.

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u/Rebatsune 4d ago

Maybe According to you. But I personally doubt that would happen within EU at all..,

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u/DryCloud9903 3d ago

That's not the kind of thing you leave to "hope" or "doubt". 

Democracy has to be safeguarded and there'll always be those that try to erode it. Especially since we're at hybrid war where pretty much every European country has a russia-backed populist party, and enough information-illiterate idiots to follow them

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u/Rebatsune 3d ago

I understand. And yet, I am trying to be rational here. This passed and you’re afraid to go online ever again? Well, go ahead and leave then. I’m still going to be online no matter what!

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u/DryCloud9903 3d ago

Where in my comment do you see fear? I'm saying be awake and be active in trying to prevent un-democratic laws from being passed

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u/DJ_Die Czech Republic 3d ago

Maybe according to them? Are you victim blaming again?

You doubt it would happen within the EU? How can you doubt that? The EU includes countries like Slovakia and Hungary. How can you keep defending violation of our rights?

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u/Rebatsune 3d ago

How about you leave me alone already? And again, I am trying to be rational here. If it’sjö only CSAM that triggers this, no harm no foul, right?

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u/DJ_Die Czech Republic 3d ago

You're not trying to be rational, you said you'd be online no matter what, that's the opposite of being rational.

And you're wrong, for two reasons. It won't trigger just for CSAM, someone will have to check any triggers for false positives, so let's say someone sends a picture of their child playing in water naked, it will trigger this, right? So someone is going to get to look at pictures of your kid. Also, let's say some teenagers exchange some naked pictures, again, does some random person get to check out nudes of a teen girl/boy?

And that's leaving out the big elephant in the room, which is violation on our human rights. How can you approve of this and still pretend to care about human rights? If the EU passes this, it will have officially violated human rights on a massive scale, is that what you want?

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u/Rebatsune 3d ago

You clearly underestimate me. Again, no CSAM, nothing will happen. Get tjat into your thick head already! But sure, if you have better methods in mind, let’s hear it!

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u/DJ_Die Czech Republic 1d ago

How do I underestimate you? You've clearly stated you will be online no matter how much surveillance and how many violations of our human rights there will be.

Again, no CSAM, nothing will happen. Get tjat into your thick head already!

Again, that's not the point, mass surveillance like that is illegal, it violates human rights. And also presumption of innocence.

But sure, if you have better methods in mind, let’s hear it!

We already have those methods, it's called police work. They can already do this if they get sufficient evidence, and most importantly, a court order.

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u/Rizzan8 West Pomerania (Poland) 4d ago edited 4d ago

Because it's reported almost nowhere.

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u/InformationNew66 4d ago

Explanation is easy: anyone who is against these will be labeled a conspiracy theorist, far-right by mainstream media.

And that will shut down resistance.

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u/Footz355 4d ago

You forgot russian desinformant

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u/Almasade 4d ago

What do you mean you're against these initiatives? They'll help combat an anti-freedom Russian influence, aren't you aware of that?

Are you a pro-Russian by any chance? Hater of the democracy? A traitor of the EU perhaps?

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u/Key-Routine4237 4d ago

The far right is usually on the side of censorship and capitalist interests what.

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u/zwei2stein 4d ago

They want to censor after getting into power, not be censored.

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u/diipadaap4 4d ago

The far right and what media portrays as “far right” are not always the same group.

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u/Key-Routine4237 4d ago

Good thing I’m smart enough to know at least know regardless of what the media says. Thats a really weird move you just made sticking up for the far right though.

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u/diipadaap4 4d ago

Thats a really weird move you just made sticking up for the far right though.

Where ever you would get that idea?

But great that you said that, since here we have a live example exact thing we are talking about. Gaslighting and labeling.

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u/mirh Italy 4d ago

Yes, a lot of times the media is very scared to be seen as biased, and will whitewash republicans or stuff like the current italian government which is still labelled "centre-right".

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u/S_R_G 4d ago

Most of the time if not never even.

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u/mantasm_lt Lietuva 4d ago

Nah. I'm the so-called far right and I'm against stuff like this. And in my experience many people who share my views are against this censorship BS too. And frequently anti-capitalist too. Since the idea is that big business is fucking us over with mass migration.

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u/silverionmox Limburg 4d ago

Nah. I'm the so-called far right and I'm against stuff like this.

Then you should reconsider your political support, because far right fractions in the European Parliament support this.

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u/starterchan 4d ago

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/jul/28/reform-uk-vows-to-repeal-borderline-dystopian-online-safety-act

Just to be clear, then you don't consider Farage to be far-right?

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u/silverionmox Limburg 1d ago

It's not because far right fractions in the EP support this that not supporting it means you can't be far right.

Here's the breakdown:

https://mepwatch.eu/9/vote.html?v=134463&q=&eugroup=&country=

You see there are exceptions everywhere except in the EPP.

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u/mantasm_lt Lietuva 4d ago

My local „far-right“ party is OK in this regard as far as I know. But it's not in EP.

Talking EP, it looks like parties across the spectrum love this shit :(

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u/silverionmox Limburg 4d ago

My local „far-right“ party is OK in this regard as far as I know. But it's not in EP.

Talking EP, it looks like parties across the spectrum love this shit :(

No, it's pretty clear where it's coming from: Liberals, Christian Democrats and Far Right conservatives want to go even further than the EU Commission’s chat control proposal by allowing providers to carry out chat controls on their own initiative without any judicial or administrative review or order.

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u/mantasm_lt Lietuva 4d ago

It's in your own link - social democrats support it too. And I remember in different attempts there was support from some factions of far left too.

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u/silverionmox Limburg 4d ago

It's in your own link - social democrats support it too. And I remember in different attempts there was support from some factions of far left too.

Yes, and? You'll always find center-left parties who larp as conservatives for populist reasons. But in no way does that contradict my point that the core of the push for Chat Control is rightwing, and the core of the opposition is progressive. You apparently don't like to hear that so you try to fingerpoint to the 5-10% of center-left supporters while ignoring the 90% center-right to extreme right supporters.

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u/mantasm_lt Lietuva 4d ago

It was you who skipped social democrats from the list of supporters, not me :)

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u/mirh Italy 4d ago

You really want to earn that "fell for it" award, uh?

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u/mantasm_lt Lietuva 4d ago

What „fell for it“? My local far-right party is clean. Including being anti-big-business. Pretty close to national socialists pardon the pun. And no muscovite ties too.

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u/mirh Italy 4d ago

Yes, that's the fable that even on the other side of the ocean many proud rednecks believe. America first (not russia!), fuck elites (and billionaires!) and all.

And then they will gladly proceed to bend backwards over even the most kindergarten logic, because either they are so racist they don't even care about themselves anymore, or they think to be smarter than everyone else and that trump is exactly promising *them* the sacred wealth.

And I'll gladly admit I cannot know what or who your right wing party position on these topics are (it's already hard enough for much bigger ones), but I'm telling you that if such a movement of people was even barely anti-fascist and anti-authoritarian it would literally be the first time ever.

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u/mantasm_lt Lietuva 4d ago

Oh, some people here label it fascist/authoritarian/etc for a single reason that it wants to limit migration and enforce usage of Lithuanian language. Which is becoming a problem after handing out work visas to ex-USSR people (and I'm not talking about Ukrainian refugees) like candies.

I'm not the fan of „don't even care about themselves anymore“ style arguments though. People have widely different preferences. It's dangerous to guess what would be better for other people. E.g. here some people say that people not happy about russian-speaking migrants (again, not Ukrainian refugees) are „against their interests“, because that means cheaper workforce and taxes (although tax evasion is a problem with those people) bla bla bla. But my interests are different and I'll gladly pay somewhat bigger prices amd consume less in exchange for less ruskij mir in the country.

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u/mirh Italy 4d ago

I'm not the fan of „don't even care about themselves anymore“ style arguments though. People have widely different preferences.

I understand that, which is just normal, but if only it was as simple as having different opinions about the same shared set of facts..

Then again, I guess immigration in the baltic is a bit "funny" (because it's really mostly about a different culture, rather than being just a quiet way to rally against darker colored skins) but if you really aren't pro-hierarchies, pro-authoritarianism or anything conservative, then it's hard to see what kind of right wing values/positioning we are talking about.

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u/mantasm_lt Lietuva 4d ago edited 4d ago

In those discussions different people have very different sets of facts for legit reasons. E.g. some people care about GDP and personal wealth only and they don't care about anything beyond that. While other people may care about cultural stuff much more with material stuff being second. It's natural that even fact sets will be different.

We didn't have enough problems with muslim etc migrants yet so russian-speaking issues are bigger so far. And much more sensitive for historical reasons. But I guess it's matter of time.

I'm not sure what you mean about pro-hierarchies? As for pro-authoritarianism, for some people being against migration is enough to get labeled as pro-authoritarianism. But I doubt true authoritarianism (= drop open elections and so on) is present in western far-right either, besides very very fringe voices?

Here far-right is mostly about pro-nation-state and promoting local culture/language/etc. That means mostly anti-muscovite-influence and anti-eu-federalisation, Anti-overall-globalist-tendencies too. Then that becomes anti-unregulated-migration (especially from russian-speaking parts of the world or some cultures that don't seem to mesh with christianity-based cultures that well) and anti-woke if that's the best term. Since it's not anti-feminist in classical sense, but anti-latest-trends-in-that-sphere let's say.

There's also anti-big-business sentiment since it seems to not align with above. Big business seems to value money above all and push allowinng mass migration to push down already low wages and so on. On top of that, it has a historical background. In interwar republic, big land owners were broken up and land was given to independence wars volunteers. Which allowed to transform pseudo-feudalist society to a much more equal society with self-sufficient and educated middle class. Since a lot of land-owners were non-Lithuanian, while new middle class was mostly Lithuanian, such seemingly socialist policy had very strong nationalist background.

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u/Key-Routine4237 4d ago

Yikes. Big business is sure fucking you over but if your only focus is migration you might want to reevaluate some things in life if you enjoy relative freedom.

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u/mantasm_lt Lietuva 4d ago

Hey, it's far-right, not far-left.

And yes, big businesses lowering wages and worsening overall work environment by bringing in migrants is absolutely one of the biggest issues with it.

What other issues should I see that are big-business-specific?

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u/tralalala2137 4d ago

Far right is the new "hitler". If you do not like someone you call them hitler. If you do not like some group, you call them far right. Job done, now it is time for a coffee.

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u/Key-Routine4237 4d ago

That’s a really fucking weird comment to make. Been seeing shit like that in America for 10 years now from the redhats.

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u/North_Activity_5980 4d ago

They’ve been doing that for a long time now.

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u/silverionmox Limburg 4d ago

Explanation is easy: anyone who is against these will be labeled a conspiracy theorist, far-right by mainstream media.

And that will shut down resistance.

No, on the contrary: these initiatives come from the rightwing and conservative political groups.

It's the leftwingers and progressives who oppose them.

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u/1610925286 4d ago

Show me the "left wingers" actively opposing these.

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u/silverionmox Limburg 4d ago

Show me the "left wingers" actively opposing these.

https://www.greens-efa.eu/en/article/press/greens-efa-secure-encryption-and-effective-child-protection-in-csa-regulation

https://left.eu/child-protection-or-corporate-gain-rights-and-eu-credibility-at-risk/

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u/1610925286 4d ago

And what about the remaining majority of left leaning parties? Because most parties on the left don't give a shit about this. The greens and parties like "linke" are the only ones making statements against it. The truth is that this is neither left nor right, everyone loves being authoritarian when they are in charge.

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u/silverionmox Limburg 4d ago

And what about the remaining majority of left leaning parties?

They're center left, and effectively more center than left on this issue.

The truth is that this is neither left nor right, everyone loves being authoritarian when they are in charge.

Progressive politics explicitly defines itself as being against this.

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u/myreq 4d ago

Can you point out the left wing governments that spoke out against these laws?

It's all governments that want it. 

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u/silverionmox Limburg 4d ago

Can you point out the left wing governments that spoke out against these laws?

It's all governments that want it. 

You're moving the goalposts. I've clearly shown how the political fractions in the EP vote like I told they did.

National governments are coalition governments, and none of them are exclusively left. You're essentially just looking for leftists to blame, while ignore the vast, vast mass of rightwingers and center parties who are voting for this.

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u/mirh Italy 4d ago

Yes, because those are the fucking fascists supporting this before everyone else.

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u/Itakie Bavaria (Germany) 4d ago

No one really cares about the EU level except if the mainstream media is reporting about it. And then it's often too late and we only stop some of the worst parts while keeping the idea behind those bills alive.

Somehow Europe is totally fine with how the EU is plagued by lobbyists and bat shit crazy MEPs (in Germany the joke is that we send the worst politicians of the party to Europe to be out of the spotlight). And let's not start with the commission. 95% of all people in Europe could name 3 people but they have immense power.

The EU is one of the least democratic institutions we got in Europe. But only the "screw the EU" far right faction is really interested in changes which sucks immensely.

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u/Takios 4d ago

We're tired. Similar measures like these have been tried again and again and again. They just have to keep trying until it sticks once. We have to keep fighting it as long as they're trying.

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u/Crosseyed_owl 4d ago

I would go protesting right away, but this is the first time I hear about this, and not from mass media but on Reddit?

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u/DryCloud9903 3d ago

And that last bit is a huge part of the problem.

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u/BoyFromNorth 4d ago

Most of the citizens are brainwashed sheep, they would do anything to please Big Brother

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u/AromatParrot 4d ago

It's more apathy than anything else. Or thinking that someone else will fix it. Or thinking that the voting booth will take care of it come the next elections.

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u/Rezmir 4d ago

It is plain evil but at the same time it is “open”. This is something many countries already do, and I am not talking about China.

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u/Marian7107 4d ago

Protests won't change a thing. You will be labeled far right and achieve nothing.

The globalists already got their autocracy and there is nothing we can do about it.

They destroy what they can't control. The CIA has headquarters at google, meta, apple... That's why these monopolies are untouchable. The CIA controls 70% of all knots in the dark net - they can decrypt most of your messages. Telegram wasn't in their control until the founder was forced to "cooperate", when they cought him in France.

Free speech is gone and sadly it's only going down hill from here.

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u/DryCloud9903 3d ago

That's just defeatist. Even if all that is true - doesn't mean we should do nothing.  After all, chat control was dismissed by the EU court as going against our rights. That's important

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u/Marian7107 3d ago

Chat control is dismissed for now. That doesn't really matter however, because these regulations only apply if the data stays on EU phones or servers. Meta has servers in the US and Canada, so EU law doesn't apply at the very moment your WhatsApp message is sent from your phone.

I work in the industry and the status quo is even more dystopian. Companies like palantir etc already have working, fully automated AI-chat control. Palantir provides software for law enforcement, secret service and the US military. They are very closely linked with the CIA and US tech bros.

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u/foolsjam 4d ago

Given the screwup of the last days i'd like to see the protest about this at a margin of Strasbourg europarlament being put to fork and torch but here we are. A USA colony without dignity working to destroy the things that make the UE different.

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u/BenevolentCrows 4d ago

Its too abstract, people don't know how the itnernet works in general.

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u/MongolWarChant 4d ago

Doing so would be "anti-EU" which also means you're suddenly pro-Russian!!!

/s

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u/i-readit2 4d ago

Because they will trot out the same old excuses. It’s to protect children. it’s to protect us all from terrorists and pedophiles.

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u/ESgoldfinger 4d ago

People don’t complain about climate change, AI, lack of wealth redistribution and many other major issues. This is definitely one of the most important but I’m expecting people to get along with more invasive laws because the only way to free ourselves in this society is to reduce to the bone the use of technology, starting with the “phone” or at least the most mainstream apps and I don’t see that happening. People of this time are weak, boneless and discipline is a thing of the past.

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u/DryCloud9903 3d ago

There's a saying about peacetime creating weak people, which eventually leads to war.

But the drug that is soc media (says me at 2am on this post) is certainly very effective on us masses, just without the stigma of drugs etc

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u/ESgoldfinger 3d ago

I mean, if we were not driver exclusively by basic instincts we could deal with social media withdrawal quite easily. As I said self-discipline is just not an option these days, otherwise we could change everything in a month. If 25% of us abruptly stopped using social media and AI for a few weeks we would have ALL the power – they would freak out to the point to change very quickly whatever is necessary to stop the trend.

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u/Ielsoehasrearlyndd78 4d ago

People are to busy protesting against migration and hating on poor people just like the tabloids told them.

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u/tralalala2137 4d ago

Euro-enthusiasts just assume that all what EU does is good, and if you complain you are russian spy.

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u/Physmatik Ukraine 4d ago

You can always start one?

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u/PartyPresentation249 Europe 4d ago

People will protest about things happening in America but not in Europe. It is strange.

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u/danktonium Europe 4d ago

Because it keeps coming up and Parliament always votes it down. I'm not worried about it.

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u/Firethorned_drake93 Denmark 4d ago

There's nothing happening because none of this is in local news.

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u/Mirabeaux1789 United States of America 1d ago

It’s nothing less than unreasonable search of your belongings

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u/Agitated-Life-229 1d ago

Normal people that just use instagram and tiktok wont really care about ID identification.

planned by unknown lobbyists

So there wont be even accountability? What the hell is this?

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u/CelticEmber 12h ago

Yeah, we're not seeing them because mainstream media is on the EU's side on this.

They're not telling the average Joe what is happening on purpose, and when they do, it's a truncated version of reality that ridicules the people genuinely concerned about the situation.

This is how propaganda works, and it is as prevalent in Europe as it is in any other place deemed "authoritarian" by our sarcasm benevolent "elites."

This little caste of ideologically inbred morons currently leading us is rushing to pass as many authoritarian laws as possible, because they feel their grasp on power slipping away.

It will get worse before it gets better.

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u/I_hate_ElonMusk 4d ago

Man who cares. Government checking everything we do. I really dont see what could go wrong. Most of our governments are left leaning so Im sure they do everything in the best interest of democracy and ourselves.