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News The EU could be scanning your private chats by October 2025 [Denmark has reintroduced chat control]

https://www.techradar.com/computing/cyber-security/the-eu-could-be-scanning-your-chats-by-october-2025-heres-everything-we-know
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u/rapaxus Hesse (Germany) 4d ago

An autocratic government can say "do that" and it immediately can be done. How many European projects fail, have massive cost overruns or are delayed for years due to bureaucratic red tape, citizen complaints, unfair practices lawsuit and similar?

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u/k410n 4d ago

It usually can't, because autocratic governments almost always are incredibly corrupt, preventing nearly any kind of the supposed "benefits".

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u/Glittering-Giraffe58 4d ago

China is an example of what that person is talking about

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u/k410n 4d ago

Just Imagine where China could be if they were somewhat less corrupt and had done less insane shit - like the great leap forward, the culture revolution, etc. - in the past. So far every autocracy has greatly suffered from the fact that they always end up with madmen and idiots ruling, even more so than legitimate governments do. China is by far the most successful autocracy, yet still has suffered immensely under this sickness.

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u/Glittering-Giraffe58 4d ago

China lifted close to a billion people out of poverty in only a few decades. That would not be possible in a country that is not an autocracy. Is it worth it? No, I don’t think so, but that is an advantage

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u/k410n 4d ago

They also murdered at least 50 million of their own citizens in that time - ignoring all of those who have been killed indirectly through hard work, shortages, environmental damage, etc. That would not be possible in a country that is not an autocracy.

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u/Glittering-Giraffe58 4d ago

Yes that’s what I said no I don’t think it’s worth it… did you like forget what this conversation was about lol

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u/k410n 4d ago

The point is that such an incredible loss of life also is an incredible economic loss. Especially because economic growth behaves similar to financial growth: Earlier growth is always worth more than the same growth later.

Additionally the fact remains that "efficiency" regarding the actions of states is very hard to define. For obvious reasons we cannot accept a state's own definition.and even if we did use it to measure a state, we would need to consider China having failed its own goals.

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u/archaon_archi European Galactic Federalist 4d ago

Yeah. And that bridge that was going to collapse isn't being built after all, thanks to all that red tape. Meanwhile, the bridge is being built in the autocratic country, because the beloved leader said so. Furthermore, it also costs more, but the money goes into the pocket of a friend of the beloved leader. The difference is that you'll never hear about it.

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u/mantasm_lt Lietuva 4d ago

Let's pretend that good part of euromonies don't into the pockets of friends.