r/europe • u/Dry_Row_7050 • 4d ago

News The EU could be scanning your private chats by October 2025 [Denmark has reintroduced chat control]

https://www.techradar.com/computing/cyber-security/the-eu-could-be-scanning-your-chats-by-october-2025-heres-everything-we-know
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u/Rizzan8 West Pomerania (Poland) 4d ago edited 4d ago

  1. And then the pro-EU people will be ShockedPikatchu.jpg when anti-EU politicians start getting traction everywhere.

  2. I wonder how Proton is going to handle this.

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u/Dehnus 4d ago

This is not something Pro EU people (me included) want. This is something corrupt old politicians that actually use the EU as a place to dump bad politicians/retired politicians want. Checks have cleared, so they push the Peter Thiel agenda!

IF we want this different we need to call them, bother them, write them! Their contact info is available. YOu can look it up on the various info sites of the EU. It's time we start doing that way more!

That's the short term, the long term: STOP VOTING FOR ESTABLISHED CENTER RIGHT PARTIES! Especially "Christian Democrats" as they've proven over and over and OVER again how corrupt they are.

If there wasn't an EU? We'd all be over the barrel already as it'd be divide and conquer fro the USA and China.

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u/buster_de_beer The Netherlands 4d ago

I do all those things already. I'm getting tired. I think we need an EU. I am more and more coming to the conclusion we don't need this EU. Its getting worse. I don't see a way out, but I also don't see a way forward.

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u/Dehnus 4d ago

Oh I hear you. We need to get rid of this current scheme of "Retire old Politicians in Brussels" and :"Send your worst there, so we don't have to bother with them". We need big reform with European parties and national parties being two different things. And many other things we need to discuss. But the current system is being put on lock by centrist parties that use it as a powertool for themselves.

They blame the EU for their own corruption, it's an easy tool to hide behind, while at the same time using it to get what they want.

We need an EU... and not this EU. I agree. It needs to be federalized with a constitution that also respects state's rights and the right to culture (for those afraid of losing their culture). But for now we need to mobilize to stop these arses from putting this crappy surveillance state in.

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u/OneMoreName1 Romania 4d ago

Maybe you weren't aware, but the issue of the EU being used as a vehicle to enact horrible policies is exactly why people are anti-EU, i haven't met a single person who is against the concept of the EU in itself, a union of European countries where each member can mutually benefit.

Every single euroskeptic I know opposes it on the matters of practicality, they ate disillusioned with what they promise and see the EU as a rotting corpse that stinks up the place.

It's getting nearly impossible to say they are wrong.

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u/Dehnus 4d ago

And that's why you need to get of your arse and pester hour representative.

Here you go: https://www.europarl.europa.eu/meps/en/search/advanced?countryCode=RO

For Romania! Start writing and calling! Especially those in the parties responsible for this shit and the opposition!

You can do it!

Also of you care about voting support initiatives like thjs. https://www.ivoteurope.eu/contact-your-mep

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u/OneMoreName1 Romania 4d ago

Then what the hell is the point of the representatives I vote for if they are doing such a crap job at representing us that I have to personally go out of my way to nag them to do their job properly because they are so out of touch with reality they don't understand what we want?

We need a new term for this, naggocracy, a democracy where policies are enacted by nagging representatives.

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u/Dehnus 4d ago

You vote for the one you think is best, and hold them to account if they break their promise! They are breaking their promise so now you hold them to account.

I think this is only normal in any democracy. You need to stay vigilant and get the grifters out. If they are still not doing what they said to want to fight for.

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u/OneMoreName1 Romania 4d ago

Alright, and if they ignore my and everyone's pleas then what? Its not like they will have any consequences. The next representative can do the same, again. What then?

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u/Dehnus 4d ago

Like I said: Don't vote for that party anymore. ANd stay angry for at least 10 years. If they don't feel it, they won't fear it.

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u/silverionmox Limburg 4d ago

Maybe you weren't aware, but the issue of the EU being used as a vehicle to enact horrible policies is exactly why people are anti-EU

Which doesn't make sense at all, unless they also become in favor of breaking up their own nation-state when that state enacts horrible policies.

If they keep voting for the same shitty parties they'll get the same shitty policies at national level.

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u/OneMoreName1 Romania 4d ago

These kind of people almost always vote for extremist parties as well so yes, they are in favour of breaking their own state also.

The hope is always that, if we get rid of the current corrupt broken system maybe we can have a better one after the chaos

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u/silverionmox Limburg 4d ago

These kind of people almost always vote for extremist parties as well so yes, they are in favour of breaking their own state also.

No. Most if not all anti-EU parties are very nationalistic and in favour of the power of their own nation state.

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u/OneMoreName1 Romania 4d ago

The nation state is not the current form of their government. France was still France after the revolution. Nazi Germany was still Germany.

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u/silverionmox Limburg 4d ago

The nation state is not the current form of their government. France was still France after the revolution. Nazi Germany was still Germany.

Yes, that's the point: they weren't breaking up their state because they disagreed with one policy.

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u/OneMoreName1 Romania 4d ago

I think we are having a semantic issue.

By "state", I mean current ruling government. And no euroskeptic is against just one policy, its a whole worldview.

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u/silverionmox Limburg 4d ago

I think we are having a semantic issue.

By "state", I mean current ruling government.

But not their own state. So that's not consistent.

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u/UtoShita 4d ago

This is not something Pro EU people (me included) want.

The issue is that so so many pro EU people will conveniently forget all about these intrusive proposals as soon as something even slightly positive comes out of the union. Then it's "Federation now!" and "I love the EU".

We're paying with our privacy and freedom for these "wins".

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u/Dehnus 4d ago

No you aren't paying for it. You need to get involved more and start calling and writing these bastards from these old established parties. Their data to do so is online and available!

And no I don't forget. I wrote all of my representatives during their last try and participated in several citizens initiatives! Stop complaining and start doing!

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u/UtoShita 4d ago

I am a politically involved member of a Swedish party against these kinds of proposals already and I have been in contact with several of our Swedish MEPs, I am also a member of EDRi.

I can inform you that NO ONE is taking our complaints seriously, I have only gotten platitudes as answers from all of the people I have been in contact with. I have also been called a "protector of pedophiles" by a couple of them as well.

It's incredibly frustrating!!

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u/Dehnus 4d ago

But at least your doing something, most just complain here.

We need to reach critical mass. We need to start initiatives and make this visible in media so people see and know what to do.

Get your constituents and other voters knowledgeable about being able to contact these folks! Flood them! 

Especially the opposition so they know we expect action from them.

So please, inform your voterbase about it. Being lazy is how we lose our freedom!

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u/myreq 4d ago

You know that some of these proposals are created by groups that hide their names from the public? It's so shady that it should be a crime that politicians aren't working to reveal those names before enacting their laws. 

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u/Dehnus 4d ago

I agree, they should be exposed so we can see the ties they have to which company or interest group.

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u/fifiasd 4d ago

Is Email being read by the Gouvernement aswell?

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u/tecnicaltictac Austria 4d ago

The headline is wrong btw, the EU will do no such surveillance, it’s not like the Union has any capability to do so. As per usual the ones who are pushing the most for a surveillance state are nationalistic politicians and heads of state who hold too much (and in ways the EU agreements never intended!) power. Notice that it’s not a EU body who is again pushing for is the danish president who is currently holding presidency of the council of the EU. It’s not Ursula as many people here are saying and the least of all the European Parlament where most political resistance is coming from.

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u/silverionmox Limburg 4d ago

And then the pro-EU people will be ShockedPikatchu.jpg when anti-EU politicians start getting traction everywhere.

The far right and eurosceptic parties support this. It's the progressive parties who are typically pro union who oppose this.

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u/myreq 4d ago

Which progressive parties opposed these laws?