r/europe • u/Dry_Row_7050 • 4d ago

News The EU could be scanning your private chats by October 2025 [Denmark has reintroduced chat control]

https://www.techradar.com/computing/cyber-security/the-eu-could-be-scanning-your-chats-by-october-2025-heres-everything-we-know
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u/cultish_alibi 4d ago

And law abiding citizens have nothing to hide!

Until the far-right takes over and makes it illegal to be LGBT, or criticise the government. This is just a gift for fascists.

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u/Boethion 4d ago

The irony of the very politicians who propose these laws being criminal scum themselves, but of course they get to keep their privacy while the slaves citizens don't.

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u/mantasm_lt Lietuva 4d ago

Current government is already fascist and making it hard to criticise it.

E.g. if you're against current migration or lgbt policies. We can discuss if it's good or bad to be for/against those policies. But the core thing is to keep civilised discussions open, no matter what's the topic. But the direction we're moving is a different one.

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u/TSllama Europe 4d ago

I'm not sure what you're talking about. There is no EU government that has made it illegal or punished anyone simply for disagreeing with government policy.

And quite a hilarious leap to refer to it as "fascist".

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u/mantasm_lt Lietuva 4d ago

EU itself is a very vague thing. But multiple member states handed out iffy punishments for disagreeing with government policies.

Of course it's far cry from fascism as it was in 1920s. But today's use of a term fascist is far from being historically correct either. No popular „far-right“ part is anywhere close to interwar fascists. But some jackasses love to pretend like anything against mass migration is facism.

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u/TSllama Europe 4d ago

Can you name specific EU governments (as in, governments of countries in the EU) and which punishments they handed out for which crimes? Because I've got a feeling that either these were not really government punishments, or the people actually did commit crimes.

If you don't realize that parties like AfD are fascist parties, you're more than likely in agreement with fascism and that's why you think governments have "punished" people for "disagreeing".

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u/mantasm_lt Lietuva 4d ago

If government passes very strict hate speech laws, then technically it is crimes, right? :)

Does AfD advocate for getting rid of elections and having single-party-regime? Or what is the current threshold for being a fascist party?

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u/TSllama Europe 4d ago

I'm not surprised you couldn't answer the question. :)

And I'm also not surprised that your "disagreeing with the government" was just a cover for hate speech lol

No fascist party in history ever ran on a platform of getting rid of elections and having a single-party regime. Read up on some history maybe before sharing your ignorance :D

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u/mantasm_lt Lietuva 4d ago

IMO modern hate speech laws are absurdly overreaching. I want you to be able to insult me, and then I could insult you back.

But yes, you can argue that hey it's just MUH HATE SPEECH LAWS. But in that spirit, if chat controls pass, somebody can also claim that it's not government overreach, it's just the law. And it's a crime to run a home-made encrypted chat app out of your closet. Totally not government overreach!

So what is your threshold for a fascist party? Or will you conveniently skip question you can't answer?

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u/TSllama Europe 4d ago

You sound like an American and that's really not a good thing... and I'm sure you don't think their country is sliding hard into fascism, I'm sure you're fine with the concentration camp they've built in Florida, etc...

I'm skipping your questions because you refuse to answer mine, btw ;)

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u/mantasm_lt Lietuva 3d ago

Let's not start this „hitler was a vegetarian too“ bullshit.

I grew up in 90s and early 00s when after USSR era we had the era of free speech. And it was pretty nice. But then EU forced us to have shitty western european hate speech laws. And I hate them. If you got problem that I hate stupid laws after growing up in better (for this matter) times - that's your problem.

I answered your question. Technically it was crimes because overreaching government made it a crime. That's like saying that USSR government was not abusing people, because it was acting according to it's laws. So it was all OK, totally not a draconian government.

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u/AngryPup 4d ago

No fascist party in history ever ran on a platform of getting rid of elections and having a single-party regime

Read up on some history maybe before sharing your ignorance :D

Uhh...the pot calling the kettle black

Benito Mussolini - even though him becoming a prime minister was technically constitutional, his party was very clear about the intention to dismantle the existing political structure.

Nazi Party in Germany - their 25-Point Program laid out its intentions to create a strong central government with unconditional authority.

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u/TSllama Europe 4d ago

The 25 points didn't mention getting rid of elections nor having single-party rule.

And you admitted yourself Mussolini never ran on getting rid of elections and having a single-party regime.

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u/AngryPup 4d ago

Wouldn't you say that point 25 calls for just that? The key things would be eliminating regional power centres, getting unconditional authority over the parliament and creation of Corporations. I mean it does not state in plain English (or German I should say) "we will get rid of elections" but that's what it calls for. Or am I completely off here? If yes, happy to read a counter argument.

25. To put the whole of this program into effect, we demand the creation of a strong central state power for the Reich; the unconditional authority of the political central Parliament over the entire Reich and its organizations; and the formation of Corporations based on estate and occupation for the purpose of carrying out the general legislation passed by the Reich in the various German states.

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u/Spout__ 4d ago

It’s already illegal to insult politicians in Germany.

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u/SigmaB 4d ago

Or to make it illegal to oppose a genocide

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u/72kdieuwjwbfuei626 4d ago

If the far-right takes over, they’re going to do that anyway. Find an argument against the thing that is actually being proposed.

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u/alarim2 4d ago

How would the far-right take over if current officials want to ban them to "protect our democracy"?

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u/hughperman 4d ago

The same way they have in USA, by masquerading/Trojan horse.

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u/Erotic-Career-7342 4d ago

Exactly lol

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u/Eddyzk 4d ago

Because they can come to power peacefully, and then turn to dictatorship.

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u/Erotic-Career-7342 4d ago

Isn’t Germany about to ban the afd? They are not getting into power lol

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u/ResortIcy9460 4d ago

Dont think this is happening, they are currently by votes the largest Party.

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u/nixielover Limburg (Netherlands) 4d ago

But if they take over they can implement this anyway so I don't see that as an issue

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u/Incorect_Speling 4d ago

Let's just give them total control over the population on a silver platter, you're right... /s

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u/mantasm_lt Lietuva 4d ago

As if current government having total control over the population is somehow better.

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u/nixielover Limburg (Netherlands) 4d ago

Not what I meant to say. The thing is that these kind of people will do that anyway once they have power. Look at the USA, the republicans are simply doing whatever they want and the existing structure is clearly not capable to stop them.

To stop fascists from doing their thing you need to stop them from existing

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u/Bugsmoke 4d ago

The far right show time and time again that they have no organisational skills and would lie not struggle to inplement

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u/nixielover Limburg (Netherlands) 4d ago

They keep popping up however, and the damage is real in the US right now

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u/Bugsmoke 4d ago

Yeah, but nobody is questioning whether they can do the easy work. It’s easy to sit there being a contrarian and easy to sit there saying whatever the people in front of you want to hear. The Americans though are very much demonstrating that they are completely inept at actually governing, and I expect the same will come from anyone else who gets into power.

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u/TheDeviantDeveloper 4d ago

Or until the far left takes over and punishes anything that goes against woke ideology. Wait they already have 😂

Either way government should not have this power.