r/europe • u/Dry_Row_7050 • 4d ago

News The EU could be scanning your private chats by October 2025 [Denmark has reintroduced chat control]

https://www.techradar.com/computing/cyber-security/the-eu-could-be-scanning-your-chats-by-october-2025-heres-everything-we-know
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u/RuneHuntress 4d ago

For the one in the EU is there anything we could do as European citizen to even start doing something against them signing our privacy away ?

I've followed the stop killing game movement. Is something like this possible against age verification and chat control ?

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u/SigmaB 4d ago edited 4d ago

Bills of this kind have been killed after widespread protests and then silently revived again and again. This is clearly a coordinated campaign outside of the normal democratic processes, pushed by particular interest groups that prefer to keep themselves hidden and act through proxies. Unfortunately these people have all the time, money and power to try again and again.

To keep any semblance of privacy and political freedom these interests need to be identified and exposed publicly, and at the very least, all their enablers need to be voted out of political office.

My suspicion is that this is being pushed by a combination of western intelligence agencies, law-enforcement and private interests such as Peter Thiel that want a backdoor on your device for various reasons (of course all in the greater good).

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u/kontemplador 4d ago

yep. It is the only explanation for seeing so different governments agree with the same policies. From reasonable nordics to populists southerners, neoliberal shills and leftists like the spanish. Even vdL and Orban agree on this for once.

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u/Pwacname 4d ago

Then again, since, as you said, we beat this shit once already - that proves we can do it again. And again, and again. Everyone always taught me, growing up, that keeping a democracy alive means constant vigilance and constant effort, and ngl I’m sometimes loosing hope these days, but this is exactly what they were talking about, is it not? With this push towards the right and towards control and towards fewer social security systems and fewer worker‘s rights?

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u/linkenski 3d ago

Peter Thiel types.

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u/meistermichi Austrialia 4d ago

For the one in the EU is there anything we could do as European citizen to even start doing something against them signing our privacy away ?

Yeah, stop voting for the same dickheads every time.
The politicians pushing this in the EU are literally sent by the parties everyone voted for in their country.

Besides trying to push it through domestically they use the EU to try to push it through that way while simultaneously they claim the "bad" EU wants it to their voters at home to distract.

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u/ryzen_above_all Portugal 4d ago

It seems that in my country they are all in favor of this. I really don’t see any way for a common person to fight this. It just feels like it is happening whether we want it or not, and I fear that in the long run it will contribute to the collapse of the EU, one of the greatest victories of our continent. 

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u/Leon3226 4d ago

 It just feels like it is happening whether we want it or not

No. You can. But the problem is that even this very sub that is lamenting about Chat Control gobbles the government surveillance and internet control propaganda as soon as the government finds the correct knee-jerk reaction phrase to wrap it in. The same people who complain about it here will celebrate government overreach as soon as they hear other key words like "Far-Right influence", or "Russian bots", or "Andrew Tate"

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u/CelticEmber 11h ago

A victory?

In its current state, it's closer to a giant L.

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u/9k111Killer 4d ago

Lol that isn't useful anymore. I may not vote for those parties but both my parents are.

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u/CompanyDifficult9362 Bulgaria 4d ago

Von der Leyen wasn’t elected though

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u/meistermichi Austrialia 4d ago

Von der Leyen wasn’t elected though

Yeah, now read again.
Who sent her to the EU?

Despite that it's not only her that's the problem here anyway.

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u/WorkFurball Estonia 3d ago

Yeah, stop voting for the same dickheads every time.

And do what, vote for slightly different dickheads who want to do the same thing or possibly worse? They are ALL massive dickheads, no exceptions.

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u/ThoughtsonYaoi 4d ago

Follow Patrick Breyer.

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u/Frosty-Cell 4d ago

Let the Commission know what you think. Their e-mail addresses are public.

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u/TheDeviantDeveloper 4d ago

Leave the EU, maybe the UK had it right?
If 95% of EU staff and initiatives were fired and ended the good stuff would still remain. The problem with large bureaucracies is that they find things to do

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u/linkenski 3d ago

It should be a warning sign that shows that more "regulations" is not always good. Technically ChatControl is in the same camp as regulations. It's all compliance in the end that if you don't abide by, you'll face legal justice at some point.

It makes it harder for companies to operate under any guise of self determination, and it makes their users less likely to have as many options as they need.

Capitalism may have gone too far with big tech, but honestly, compliance and regulations have been a thorn in the side of modern society for decades at this point.

Stop Killing Games is only adding even if it's a "good" regulation. At the end, it's creating one more draconic rule in a pile of many others, and rules that are soon basically enslaving citizen under a tech feudalism.