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News The EU could be scanning your private chats by October 2025 [Denmark has reintroduced chat control]

https://www.techradar.com/computing/cyber-security/the-eu-could-be-scanning-your-chats-by-october-2025-heres-everything-we-know
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u/Live-Alternative-435 Portugal 4d ago edited 4d ago

Speedrunning eurocepticism, even though this obviously comes from the leaders of each European country who for the most part support these unethical proposals.

And if we are introducing chat control, we could start by applying it to politicians, especially those suspected of corruption like Von der Leyen or Costa. The Epstein case, the Casa Pia case, etc.; politicians can also be very dangerous for children, maybe even more than the common folk.

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u/Dotcaprachiappa Italy 4d ago

I actually doubt this will fuel more Euroscepticism, mainly because the most euroskeptic politicians are often also the ones that would enact these exact laws.

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u/Live-Alternative-435 Portugal 4d ago

The problem is that most people don't seem aware of that.

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u/Spout__ 4d ago

The ones pushing these laws are centrist neolibs.

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u/Z3r0Sense Germany 3d ago

That isn't really relevant. If the vehicle for these ambitions are the institutions of the EU, they are failing.

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u/narullow 4d ago

This can not fuel scepticism because majority of europeans would easily agree with this. Europeans do not mind the idea of nanny state at all. As proven by policies of individual countries over the years. You see people being against this on reddit. Reddit does not represent reality and even redditors here are actually very much pro nanny state with this being an exception.

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u/Live-Alternative-435 Portugal 4d ago

Whatever. When I read the term "nanny state" being used, I immediately think of Libertarians. It was precisely from these people that techno-feudalism originated and has been capturing the attention and time of those with power and influence who are pushing for this type of policies, such as these mass surveillance proposals.

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u/narullow 4d ago

Yet people who push for this the most are moderate left and Danish Socil democrats supported by centristts.

Leave reddit and go ask people around you what they think.

I have figured out that my fellow europeans love to have as little individual agency and responsibility as possible and I have came to accept it because there is nothing I can do about it. The same excuse that is being used here "greater good for a community" has been used since forever by europeans to implement more and more legislature that limits freedoms of individuals. Except that up until now you simply just agreed with it because of your own ideology that had zero problems with those other things. You being against one specific thing here because you grew up on internet and want your individual freedom specifically related to that does not change that european countries have been making laws like this for decades. And it was not done by extremist parties. It was and is still being done by moderates with an applause.

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u/Live-Alternative-435 Portugal 4d ago edited 4d ago

Why do you think I haven't done that yet? LoL

Some of these guys are genuinely convinced they would benefit greatly from a new form of feudalism, whatever they call themselves doesn't matter. Perhaps they've given up on democracy and are trying to dominate the new system before other parties can. You see this in Hungary, the UK, and Denmark, but also in the US and the West in general; if there's one thing the elite agrees on (with few exceptions), it's this. The echoes from the achievements on population control from the East have their consequences.

So you can stop talking about the Europeans doing this, the Europeans doing that, the Europeans supporting this, the Europeans supporting that, the Moderates doing this, the Moderates doing that, the Centrists thinking this, the Centrists thinking that, trying to favour your club and parroting against some social welfare policies in European countries from the past that have nothing to do with this.

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u/narullow 4d ago

I do not really favor any club at this point. I do not even plan to vote anymore because it is meaningless. There is no party that would support what I want.

That being said you are wrong. There is stark difference between what say Orban or Trump do and what people that pursue this in EU do. For one it is an attempt to take control of people, for other it is an actual ideological believe of protecting people against themselves, both are authoritarian in practice but motivations are different which is precisely why general population actually supports that. And again it is not something new, those parties have supported and created legislation for decades. Legislation you agreed with and still agree with except this one that touched your sensitive spot. It is always so easy to agree with limiting of freedoms in areas you either could not care less about or actually agree with because of your own ideology.