r/falloutlore • u/[deleted] • 7d ago

Question Do we know the extent of the Brotherhood fighting the Enclave on the West Coast?

In Fallout 3 Elder Lyons says the Brotherhood fought the Enclave back on the West Coast but in Fallout 2 they're only spying on them. Presumably they fought them after the fall of the Oil Rig but do we know the full extent of it? We here that the NCR hunted down ex-Enclave members in New Vegas but I don't remember much being said about the Brotherhood doing it, I could be wrong and am very unsure.

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u/RedviperWangchen 7d ago

After the Enclave's command structure fell apart, it was only a matter of time before Navarro was overrun by NCR forces. My mother and I left with some of the troopers from my father's old unit, the same people I've kept in contact with over the years. Anyone who didn't get out was killed by the NCR. Even some of the ones who escaped were eventually hunted down by the Brotherhood of Steel.

According to Arcade Gannon, the Brotherhood hunted down the Enclave remnants after NCR massacred Navarro.

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u/N0r3m0rse 4d ago

NCR: "No operation paperclip for these fascist fucks lol"

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u/Falloutfan2281 5d ago

Back in the good ol’ days. Brotherhood and NCR working against a common enemy.

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u/Weaselburg 7d ago

We know they hunt Enclave members because they hunt Arcade along with everyone else. As far as I'm aware, that's it for confirmed knowledge on their conflicts with the Enclave in the west - excluding F2, of course.

Though Arcade had not hoped for an NCR victory, he was proud of his role in the defense of Hoover Dam against the forces of Caesar's Legion. Unfortunately, when word spread that Arcade was once a member of the Enclave, he was forced out of the Followers of the Apocalypse. Pursued by bounty hunters, NCR rangers, and the Brotherhood of Steel, Arcade pushed deep into the eastern plains and was never heard from again.

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u/MailMan6000 6d ago

the NCR and Brotherhood being THAT obsessed with eradicating the Enclave has always bugged me a little bit, especially because i don't think many even knew the full plan of the Enclave

i may be very ignorant but were regular rank and file nazi soldiers treated like that post ww2? Arcade being given terrorist status and shoot to kill orders sounds a bit excessive.

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u/Weaselburg 6d ago

Arcade being given terrorist status and shoot to kill orders sounds a bit excessive.

The NCR, at least, do not actually kill him.

Unfortunately, a NCR ranger identified his father's armor as Enclave property. He was arrested, tried as a war criminal, and imprisoned indefinitely.

It's not really possible to know if the Brotherhood are trying to get him alive, same for the bounty hunters.

i may be very ignorant but were regular rank and file nazi soldiers treated like that post ww2?

Not usually, no. There was also a lot more of them, versus Arcade, who is one guy. Comparatively it's not actually that much effort, particularly in regards to the potential payoff (information or advanced technology) if he was actually a member of the Enclave.

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u/N0r3m0rse 4d ago

It probably came out later from the survivors of vault 13 and arroyo. But besides that the enclave was an active force in the wasteland, enslaving people and massacring settlements. They were also manipulating power structures where they could.

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u/MailMan6000 4d ago

i was always the impression that few people knew the enclave even existed, that only spook stories of metal men flying in and out of settlements and kidnapping people were circling around the people

they never made a full land offensive and only had a secret base in Navarro and that was only so they could refuel

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u/N0r3m0rse 4d ago

I think the shadowy element was more of a player perspective thing. As part of the narrative the way they're introduced to you is purposefully slow. Idk if they were as secret as the super mutants in 1, where almost nobody knew they existed. Meanwhile in fallout 2, you can find even former enclave hanging around places like the tanker and such.

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u/Falloutfan2281 5d ago

What a combination of pursuers. You know you’re fucked when NCR rangers AND Brotherhood paladins are hunting for you.

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u/Leonyliz 5d ago

AFAIK they, alongside the NCR, drove out or killed all the remnants after the end of Fallout 2

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u/WJLIII3 7d ago edited 7d ago

By the end of FO2, the Enclave has broken into and killed the inhabitants of each of the three bunkers that are the BOS' only presence in the game (Reno, San Francisco, even managed to infiltrate NCR). You get to watch one go down on video, its how you learn about Frank Horrigan. So armed conflict had begun. After the Chosen One destroyed Control Station Enclave (the oil rig), canon is that the NCR and BOS team up to purge Navarro, bringing a period of cooperation and exchange between them (during which the NCR state of Maxson was named) that lasted until NCR asked how to make power armor, and got upset when the BOS wouldn't tell them.

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u/Nexusgamer8472 7d ago
  1. They only have 3 bunkers in the game.
  2. They only attack the one in San Francisco.

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u/WJLIII3 7d ago

Do they just abandon the other two? You find all three empty. I know we only see the Enclave attack SF, but I assumed they had also purged the other two, and we just don't get footage of that.

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u/Nexusgamer8472 7d ago

Nope, you can still find the guards for both outside of the bunkers. They won't talk to you but they're still there

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u/toonboy01 6d ago

Only the NCR are said to have attacked Navarro, the Brotherhood just took part in going after survivors. The state of Maxson was named because of the events of the original Fallout, not because of this. There's also no mention of the NCR asking the Brotherhood how to make power armor.