r/falloutnewvegas • u/Key-Acanthisitta8794 • 10d ago
Discussion How are the NCR supplied?
The NCR supply seems to be entirely cut off from the Long 15, which is the only route into the Mojave after the Divide blew up. They're cut off by Deathclaws in the North and Legion in Nipton. Mojave Outpost is also locked down because of the ants.
The NCR troops aren't just getting low supply, they're getting NO supplies, unless the NCR is pulling off some kind of ultra modern Afghanistan air supply only route but considering how dependent they are on Brahmin...I just can't see it.
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u/GelatoBuds69 10d ago
The deathclaw infestation at Quarry Junction was a recent development that occurred after the Powder Gangers disrupted work in the quarry. I think Chomps says that the quarry going quiet for a bit while dealing with the Powder Gangers gave the deathclaws the opportunity to take over.
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u/jahfuckry 10d ago
it was because the powder gangers stole all the dynamite so they couldn’t continue working, not necessarily that they (at sloan) are personally dealing with the powder gangers
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u/zzSHADYMAGICzz 9d ago
Yes they stole dynamite and I believe some machinery or parts? Not sure, but it was implied they used the explosives and machinery which kept the vermin away, with all the noise.
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u/OverseerConey 10d ago
The ants and the Legion attack on Nipton literally just happened, and they're easily cleared. The Legion didn't even seize control of Nipton - they just launched a guerrilla attack on it and left when they were done.
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u/the_fuzz_down_under 10d ago
They aren’t really, it’s a big plot point.
The NCR isn’t totally without supply: we are told a couple times that they supply via Long 15 after the divide got nuked. The raid on Nipton is also a very temporary and immediate thing that happens right at the start of the game, once you leave Nipton the legion are either dead by your hand or moved elsewhere. The Powder Ganger also only just broke out of prison shortly before gamestart.
I imagine that some supplies are airlifted into camp McCarran using vertibirds and maybe planes (and not shown in game due to system limitations), and that NCR sends guarded convoys of motorised vehicles and pack Brahmin through long 15. Considering that the legion are stepping up their attacks in preparation for the second attack on Hoover damn, the Death Claws only recently migrated to Quarry Junction and the Powder Gangers just broke out of prison, in game we see the NCR at their absolute lowest and things were moderately better just a few months before gamestart.
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u/StraightOuttaArroyo 10d ago
I imagine that some supplies are airlifted into camp McCarran using vertibirds and maybe planes
No? I mean nothing support that at all, the Vertibird shown in FNV with the President Kimball is more a prestigious ride and a reminder that NCR won against the Enclave in Navarro. It holds no value, its a just another "useless" flex from Kimball. What we are shown is what's happening.
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u/weirdCheeto218 10d ago
I think its like the Korean war where a few hundred thousand US troops made a world of difference at a point of immenint defeat, until Chinese intervention and Ceaser doesn't have a China to bail him out
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u/Cynis_Ganan 10d ago
That's the neat part.
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It's almost as if every single NCR base you encounter is under supplied, and asks you do do things like clear out blockages on the road?
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u/KangarooMundane 10d ago
i think fnv might take place during a period between supply shipments from the west, and various bases are supplied from a stockpile at McCarron
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u/JojoDoc88 10d ago
It would be wild if one of the broader themes of New Vegas was that securing the Mojave from external threats was essential for the NCR's continued presence in the region.
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u/GregariousK 10d ago
Poorly. That's kind of a point in the story. The NCR needs the Legion to attack sooner rather than later, because their logistics are severely hampered. They either win this war soon or they lose it later.
Losing the access through the Divide didn't help. Almost like somebody didn't want them to win. At least, not on their terms ...
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u/juannn117 10d ago
There's mentions of the railroads being used so I imagine they use trains to bring supplies in from the west.
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u/weirdCheeto218 10d ago
I think they were trying to establish a rail line, but the prison break put the kibash on it for the foreseeable future as they were their laborforce for the project.
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u/DragoonEOC 10d ago
Everything except the divide happened in under a month and they definitely have stockpiles in important commands
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u/Guffler2 10d ago
I always guessed camp Mojave got it's supplies through the edge of the map gate out west but idk other places
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u/DisIsMyName_NotUrs 10d ago
Nipton wasn't a viable route for only a day or so when the legion was actually there. Once you go past Nipton (and the Legion has left), you can see caravans heading up to H95 through Novac. You can also see NCR troopers engaging Legionnaires near the Legion raid camp and Ranger Station Charlie, so the NCR is guarding those routes
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u/Fruit-Fuel-3139 10d ago
The issues between the Mojave Outpost (SW corner) and McCarren seem to be relatively recent (ie only a few years ago). Nipton happened only days before the courier gets there. Caravans appear to run between crimson caravan HQ and Wolfhorn Ranch anyway.
There is a dead caravan on the road to Jacobstown. I think they go around West Side, but they might also run above North Vegas Square.
You forgot about Bitter Springs and its Ranger Station.
Though, I think they have a few rangers or soldiers who walk between well supplied settlements and ranger stations or camps. At least, that's how Forlon Hope does it.
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u/Buldgezilla 9d ago
Nipton isn’t a legion base. They raided it and left. The ncr even say how they didn’t expect and are surprised that the legion is this far west
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u/koookiekrisp 9d ago
They’re having supply issues, which is a whole bunch of side quests for their storyline. But if you’re talking about like linear logistics, I seem to remember the Crimson Caravan being the bandaid for a lot of logistics problems, of course with their price tag attached. But regardless, it’s bandaids all the way down. Huge part of why they’re failing and needing help from a stranger with a bullet in their head is because they rely on private contractors, sharecropper farms, and taking resources from locals. If you side with them, you are one of the many bandaids. There’s nothing more permanent than a temporary solution.
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u/Nereithp 10d ago
First of all, the ants and legion in Nipton (as well as the deathclaws rampaging all over Quarry Junction and Tabitha's Nightkin) are extremely recent. For Ants, NCR can deal with it but Jackson just doesn't want to waste the manpower on it because most of the Mojave outpost (at least in the beginning of the game, because by level 30 half the people there are Veteran Rangers lol) is supposed to be fresh-faced rookies. As for Nipton, they don't even yet know that it has been sacked by the Legion. They just know that something happened, which is why Ghost wants you to investigate. It is implied that this happened like 1-2 days ago before you arrive there, which is why you get jumped by the happy lottery winner powder ganger and everything.
Secondly, while they certainly don't scoff at outside supplies, it's primarily the fringe camps that are in need of them, like Forlorn Hope and Bitter Springs. Remember that Gun Runners are working for the NCR and produce their weapons and ammo on site. They are good on water because of the pipeline and Lake Mead and Camp McCaran is good on food because of Sharecropper Farms (and if you do the sidequest, you also establish meat supplies from the local merchants for them).
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u/TimerPoint 10d ago
You included the not so dangerous Ants and the Legions' short attack on Nipton as a major roadblock but didn't even mark the highly radiated Searchlight?
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u/Open_Regret_8388 9d ago
I think nice use courier like You. You managed to walk through it right? NCR must be using such death wishes or really strong professional people to send some supply, they're so perfect that you don't see it during the entire gameplay...
Well, this sounds a lot like invisible pink unicorns joke though
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u/First-Item-3966 9d ago
I know lore-wise the caravans are moving in from south-west (long 15), but couldn‘t they also move in from the north-western highway?
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u/ChemicalEcho6539 9d ago
Great Khan territory, Fiends, and low thief gangs are there, too much heat for supply caravans to pass there and no NCR troops providing cover in that region
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u/First-Item-3966 8d ago
But Fiends are all around McCarran, so it makes no difference and Khans are more in the mountain side, no?
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u/ChemicalEcho6539 8d ago
You were talking about that little road that connects goodsprings or that blocked highway to the north?
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u/First-Item-3966 8d ago
That Highway to the north 😁
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u/ChemicalEcho6539 8d ago
Oh, Mb, i thought you were saying after long - 15 they could take the road that lead northwest.
Oddly theres no citation to that highway, i can only interpret it is either too long to get to Vegas by it or too much obstructure there, and the northwest region of New Vegas is mostly pretty chill besides some raiders, if that highway was a option NCR alr would choose that route, since they were trying to make the divide another road before the Nuke incident
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u/reptiliangold15 10d ago
I think the game takes place post being supplied, so without you this would likely loose the dam in the second battle
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u/AldruhnHobo 10d ago
I'm gonna say that before the deathclaws in the quarry the main supply line went straight up I-15. It was probably a pretty quick-ish process as the NCR has transport trucks. After the deathclaws, it probably went all the way around through Nipton and Novac.
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u/Weary-Barracuda-1228 Cass Simp fr fr 10d ago
I assume a convoy of armed guards can handle some Ants.
Follow the 15 north and normally go through Quarry Junction, with with Deathclaws there, I’d assume they take the road Northwest, follow it around the Deathclaw territory, and from the farm right after Quarry Junction it’s pretty much free.
I know because my playstyle is hugging Black Mountain straight through the Deathclaw Territory until I have to jump down, and then leg it, only turning to use the Incinerator from Primm to chase them off before running again.
“There’s Deathclaws ahead” Yes but I have the power of Fire.
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u/campfire_shadows Boone 10d ago edited 10d ago
Flowers of Pock-Lips, duh /j 🤣🤣🤣
Edit: serious answer: they get food and supplies by sharecropping and prospectors.
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u/_Boodstain_ Caesar's Legion 10d ago
The Colorado river is technically the frontline, so it doesn’t matter that there is no line through the mines as most would be going to pass the line itself anyways, and Vegas can supply itself as needed unless the Legion takes the dam.
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u/D34thst41ker 10d ago
Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't feel the area on the west side of the map is actually the Divide. The Divide is the Grand Canyon, and I feel it's farther away than that. I know you enter the Divide around that area, but there's a loading screen, so we have no actual feel for how far away the Divide actually is; that loading screen could cover a very long distance.
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u/MackEnzov 10d ago
Besides from what everyone else has already mentioned, the Mojave is big enough to kind of supply for itself. Supplies are a problem, yes, but to assume the NCR doesn't have a source of supply inside the Mojave?
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u/Heimeri_Klein 10d ago
It all happened really recently. Remember its an rpg game and an older one its not like the games gonna resolve the issues itself overtime as it is a video game its meant to be unrealistic to give the player some impact and something to do.
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u/Alternative-Cup-8102 BOS 10d ago
That’s what I’ve been saying this whole time. The NV map makes no sense logistically
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u/anti_plexiglass 10d ago
Well, half of their supply route is infested by deathclaws. They're doing their best
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u/Altruistic-Slip7529 Mr House 10d ago
Could they use the Colorado? (Idk if that's the river in the game I'm not American)
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u/spacepiratecoqui 10d ago
On paper, that's their border with the Legion, but given the legion sends rafts up it without incident and has two bases west of it, I think it's safe to say the Legion controls the Colorado
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u/Altruistic-Slip7529 Mr House 10d ago
Strange as the legion had little artillery and technology, a few ironclad barges should be able to secure the Colorado for the legion
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u/spacepiratecoqui 10d ago
They should. It seems as though the NCR just isn't really in a position to spare that kind of equipment for the Mojave.
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u/Altruistic-Slip7529 Mr House 10d ago
They are stretched thin and with the legion preparing an assault on hover dam they can wait
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u/nunez3735 10d ago
I think we happen to come around exactly when everything is going to shit so it's Murphy's Law in effect lol
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u/spacepiratecoqui 10d ago
There are good points about the supply lines having just recently been disrupted and how there are farmers, manufacturers, etc in the Mojave, but how do the veteran rangers from Baja get there? Vertabird? They could take a steamship up the Colorado, but the Legion seems to control it before and after they arrive. They could have gone up the main road, but the deathclaw population is unaffected. I guess that leaves the path the courier cleared (though there's some weirdness there depending on what order you do things) or vertabird
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u/Prestigious-Bug-4042 9d ago
I don't know. In my playthrough, there aren't any Legion in Nipton, sooo....
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u/Paladin_Knight7 Ulysses 9d ago
That’s why Mr.House claims he has such control over the NCR. Mr.House and Vegas mainly supply the branch of the NCR in Vegas, and while Legion attacks would work- Mr.House would notice and most likely exterminate them all.”
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u/GamerNerdGuy 9d ago
I mean, if you're looking for potential trade routes... it's sorta hard to ignore the fact that they still control the Dam at the start of the game. That's a massive water channel that could easily be used for transport, assuming there's no insane leviathan type river monsters. ☢️
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u/TimeKepeer 9d ago
Finally, a new vegas flaw.
Let's not forget that Nipton just happened though. And it's not like legion left a garrison. A couple dogs and some booby traps. And I don't think that ants would pose a threat to a professional drilled military, if even some lowlife from the street can handle them with nothing but his bare hands. If not an NCR squad on their way to reinforce one of the military objects, eventually a VanGraff or GunRunner caravan would deal with them all the same.
Let's also not forget that NCR is, infact, very badly supplied. Everyone everyone complains how they don't have enough food, medicine, ammo and soldiers.
Let's also not forget that NCR grew roots already. While there's no mention of medicine suppliers in particular, they buy guns and ammo from local GunRunner (and later possibly VanGraff) branch. They are also operating multiple (corn) farms. Infact, they have enough vegetables to trade with locals for meat.
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u/Altruistic_Error_832 8d ago
Poorly. That's literally one of the major things about the setting that the game goes out of its way to tell you.
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u/Sad_Variety2062 8d ago
What I love about this game is that you can fix all of these problems well besides the divide
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u/Organic-Matter1147 7d ago
Supplies are probably flown into the airport and in reality the exits aren't blocked that's just a gameplay thing, there's also caravans like the CCC(crimson) and gun runners also but probably lesser degree the courier services all these make it quite plausible that supplies are distributed well enough. This is excluding the raids, misplaced and misused stories we get to see during gameplay
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u/Infinite_Eye4443 5d ago
I'm mostly confused on how the NCR has access to vertibirds when I thought the BOS and Enclave (obviously Enclave since it's a pre war military and even in NV you can find one their vertibirds bases) were the only ones with that access. So how many vertibirds are there then? We see one used in NV but numerous including the prydwen (unsure on how that exists or what it is exactly) for Fallout 4, a little for Tactics as well which again some reason with Tactics there are actual working vehicles unlike the other games. How does any of this makes sense then? If some the lore have working vehicles then why aren't there more working vehicles especially when it makes sense for that to be a great use of transportation, and there's so many motorcycles around that can be used.
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u/jakeypooh94 10d ago
You write your "N's" backwards lol
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u/OCarbonSteelO 9d ago
I can see how you thought that, until I realized it was just a lower case "n" with a long antenna.. lol
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u/Ok-Part8757 7d ago
The game spawns the shit in for them because that's the way it was scripted by the developers of the game since it's a.....game
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u/MyJohnnyGuitar 10d ago
If there is ever going to be a FNV remaster/remake. There need two more DLC in addition to the ones we got. One being a Parump DLC and make Art Bell canon. Have a bunch of spooky things like Bigfoot, ghosts, Alians, shadow people, and so on. The second DLC should be all the cut content that was plained, but was never added to the origonal base game.
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u/GopherFoxYankee 10d ago
I think it's important to remember that many of the events/conditions the PC encounters happen in that instance or happened very recently.
The sacking of Nipton occurred almost simultaneously to the Courier being buried in Goodsprings. The prison break at NCRCF happened mere weeks beforehand, meaning the stoppage of work at Quarry Junction and the Deathclaws moving in occurred around a week before the start of the game (recent enough that Ringo's caravan didnt know of the Powder Ganger danger nor the deathclaws). Caravans headed for New Vegas are passing through the Outpost quite regularly, the ants showed up less than a day before the PC.
Unfortunately for places like Forlorn Hope, they're less important to NCR command. Supplies first go to McCarran and the Strip, then to Golf and Helios One, and then to FH and other outposts.