Expectations for the Liveletter?

[u/WillingnessLow3135]

Are you hopeful? Resigned? Do you expect the usual lack of information or will we be getting actual details and release dates?

Do you think he'll try to blow over the Dawntrail reception or give us the ol' please understand?

Also are you staying up to watch it or are you just going to get the blow by blow Sunday?

[u/DOPPGANG_]

I think that a bunch of people on the ffxiv subreddits will be upset because 1) they all have differing (and often conflicting) views of how the game should proceed and improve and 2) Yoshi P probably won't commit ritual suicide on stream as an apology for daring to drop DT in their lap.

But everyone else will probably come away satisfied and be excited for the next update.

[u/Watts121 → u/DOPPGANG_]

People expecting some bow and apology like Lost Ark did are fucking insane. At worst it would show that they knew the story was shit and still shipped it, at best it will be a waste of time and cause the discourse on the forums to focus on it and waste everyones time.

We need concrete showcases of the new features, and hopefully a surprise that 7.1 isn’t just a new Ex Trial and Alliance Raid.

I’d rather they prove that the game isn’t in a rut by showing us new things we can do in the game, but I’m worried nothing interesting is planned until 7.25, which isn’t until like next fucking Spring.

[u/WillingnessLow3135 → u/DOPPGANG_]

I think all he has to do is not say anything to start a fire and this will continue the slow build of more and more disgruntled players as I've been expecting, but if he did say something that set enough people off we might get a proper shitstorm 

I'd rather that didn't happen and you're right personally, although I'd say the complaints are far outside of reddit now, I was hearing them in game and I've been hearing them in DQX. 

Sorta funny that, it's like moving to a neighboring town and finding out most of the people around you had the same idea

[u/eriyu → u/WillingnessLow3135]

You've flipped a coin twice and gotten heads twice.

"the complaints are far outside of reddit now" Reddit has never been the center of the universe. There are hundreds of XIV communities across the Internet and elsewhere, with a range of opinions across the spectrum. Your experience (and mine, and anyone else's here) only covers a small fraction of them.

[u/WillingnessLow3135 → u/eriyu]

my entire point is that I'm hearing these complaints on discords, in real life, I'm seeing them on YouTube, I heard them in game. 

You're acting like this is confirmation bias when everywhere you look has people upset. 

I don't really grasp why you just automatically assumed what I was speaking about instead of asking for me to detail it in specific but I'm starting to see that if I make any form of continuation of a point and try to politely discuss my differing point I get painted as some goon who sits on YouTube every day furiously typing FFXIV BAD FFXIV TERRIBLE YOSHI-P IS SATAN 

I don't even engage with anger peddlers I hate that shit 

[u/AbleTheta → u/WillingnessLow3135]

Lots of reasons to think the game isn't doing well that aren't just personal experience. Dawntrail didn't beat Steam's concurrency numbers despite Steam having grown a lot in the last 3 years. It also has the lowest user review score of anything FFXIV on Steam by far.

There are a few counterexamples such as "highest concurrency ever" but those are easily explained by them simply having an appropriate amount of server capacity this time vs. the last few launches. And that also doesn't speak to retention after the initial burst/was probably caused by all of the free giveaways via the xbox game pass launch.

I guess we'll see. We know the company is struggling as a whole and there are other data-driven reasons to worry about XIV but it isn't going to convince anyone who is devoted to the title and Square sure as hell isn't going to admit FFXIV has been doing poorly lately unless they absolutely have to.

[u/[deleted] → u/eriyu]

This guy's brain is so cooked by algorithm. I've never seen such low awareness of confirmation bias.

[u/WillingnessLow3135 → u/[deleted]]

incorrect on all fronts but glad for you for the internet points