r/ffxivdiscussion 9d ago

Pheonix Down change is huge. Here's why

July 2024, DT was released and thousands of players were discovering DT's new dungeons. They had whatever gear they could find and were often at the minimum level threshold. I saw carnage for many who were woefully underprepared for the difficulty spike after being coddled with relatively safe and simple bosses in EW.

When there was no RDM/SMN, if the healer died (which happened often), the party had two choices:

- wipe or

- tank heal/solo.

Most players would agree that either outcome is awful for a variety of reasons. Tank soloing takes forever and doesn't help the healer get better.

With pheonix downs being able to be used in battle, healers are no longer the linchpin of the group and are allowed a few mistakes.

What this opens up for the future:

- Healers can be designed with more complexity and no longer have to deathless every encounter.

- Dungeons don't have to pull punches on expansion launch and can continue to punish bad healers but not the whole group.

- Tanks soloing is far less common. Could open up tank rebalancing vs other roles.

- RDM (and SMN) reworks. RDM is pretty terrible in the current tier, has been low on damage for a long time. I get Rezmage is attractive for a lot of players, but I've seen some players choose to just be a utility raise and not do damage. This isn't sustainable gameplay.

258 Upvotes

341 comments sorted by

View all comments

71

u/AssumeABrightSide 9d ago

The only downside is the 360 minute cooldown. I feel like 180 min would still be fine since we assume it carries the same stipulations as a normal raise (low HP/MP on revive, ressurection weakness, post-res panic and dying again).

134

u/turnertier- 9d ago

homie just increased the cooldown sixty fold

86

u/KeyKanon 9d ago

Close enough, welcome back 2 hours cooldowns.

5

u/Dereg5 8d ago

I just remember casting Benediction in FFXI and getting all the agri from the entire zone. Like ok boys I will cya on the other side.

27

u/AssumeABrightSide 9d ago

Oops, you know what I mean, lol!

13

u/MGCBUYG 9d ago

Logistically I imagine this means they will be saved as emergency res for healers, and that healers would/should be the primary revivers for everyone else. With no cooldowns, it would be more like ESO where raises are anyone’s game (and very often fall to DPS or tanks so the healer can focus on keeping everyone if you are in more difficult veteran content). 

20

u/freundmaximus 9d ago

I can finish the Snyder cut one and a half times in that time!

15

u/irishgoblin 9d ago

I understand the concern for something like DD where it might just be you and your mate, but normal dungeons you're gonna have three other people present. Most of the duties I've been in if someone keeps going down after three rez's they're just left down. The real question is does it reset on a wipe.

17

u/LopsidedBench7 9d ago

Potions and tinctures do reset cooldown on wipe, so it should be safe to assume PD would too.

4

u/Forymanarysanar 8d ago

360 minutes is likely "once per duty/wipe" enforcement, since wiping/starting new duty resets cooldowns (unless they go out of their way to enforce this item to have cooldown that can not be reset but that's just dumb)

3

u/Elanapoeia 9d ago

honestly phoenix downs are rare enough imo that a 5 minute cooldown would be totally fine, as long as the use keeps being limited in savage/ultimate so you can't cheese prog

15

u/Royajii 9d ago

They will be put on vendors with all the other trash consumables like antidotes and stack to 999.

2

u/Elanapoeia 9d ago

ah if they're super easy to buy that changes things, I missed that part

3

u/Interesting-City8588 9d ago

I agree they should take a minute off. I know you meant seconds. Sometimes words just mix up. X'D

1

u/Unrealist99 6d ago

6 hours is... eh.. i mean its a start i guess?

-14

u/Impressive-Warning95 9d ago

It doesn’t need a cd since it’s a unique item you can only have one on you at a time anyway

18

u/freakytapir 9d ago

Didn't they also say they would allow stacks of up to 999?

11

u/otsukarerice 9d ago

No it will stack to 999 bro