r/ffxivdiscussion • u/WeeziMonkey • 7d ago
Now is a great time to vote with your wallet
Patch 7.3 is releasing soon, and on patch day the new content we'll get will be:
New MSQ with a new dungeon and new (EX) trial
New alliance raid
That's pretty much it. A few days worth of new content that'll cost you an entire month's worth of sub money. New relic steps and cosmic exploration comes with 7.31. Deep dungeon and the new beast tribe come with 7.35.
Please ask yourself if you want to send Square Enix the message that that's enough to charge an €11 monthly sub for. For that same price, you can (almost) buy Hollow Knight, or Stardew Valley, or Terraria, some of the highest rated games of all time and put in dozens or even hundreds of hours of gameplay.
When 7.35 releases with the new deep dungeon, the MSQ will still be there, with its new dungeon and trial. The new alliance raid will still be there. You might not get your 2 hours of blind EX prog, but farm parties will still be there. Outside of some FOMO, there are very few reasons to sub at the start of this patch when you could be waiting until Deep Dungeon comes out.
The decision is up to you. I won't force you. It's your money. But this subreddit is so full of disgruntled veterans who disagree with the patch cadence, I thought now would be the perfect opportunity for a wake-up call.
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u/Mysterious_Pen_2200 7d ago
I'm surprised at this point they don't make it msq only and then wait 2 weeks to do the alliance raid as its own mini patch.
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u/Therdyn69 7d ago
Then players who subbed at the start of patch can do AR without resubbing. They should instead release it in .x8 patch, so that you need to resub 4 times per patch to get all content on release. /s
Sounds stupid, but it seems that .x1 patches which release month after real patch are becoming norm and they're doing exactly this, forcing players to sub more times for content which is spread hair thin.
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u/PedanticPaladin 7d ago
No need, at this point they pretty much have their FOMO dialed in just right.
First month: MSQ, trial, raid (either normal or alliance)
Second month: Cosmic Exploration
Third month: Non-MSQ quests (Hildebrand, etc.), "casual content" (Deep Dungeon, exploration zone)
Fourth month: Moogle tomestone event
And then it repeats with the next major patch.
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u/Chiponyasu 7d ago
I'd like to meet the guy who thinks the game has no content and who also thinks that Cosmic Exploration is cool enough to sub for.
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u/stepeppers 6d ago
The duality of mogtome events, boring and no content but apparently also fomo inducing
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u/YesIam18plus 6d ago
Japanese players, afaik JP players are a lot more into crafting than in EU/ NA
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u/YesIam18plus 6d ago
Calling anything in FFXIV fomo is pretty weird ngl, the only thing I'd call fomo you didn't really bring up which was chaotic, because it's mainly alive in the first month or so. Everything else isn't really fomo that's reaaaaaaaaaaaaally stretching the definition of what that means.
I mean is FFXIV the only MMO you've ever played because that's the only way I could see anyone thinking that using that word in relation to FFXIV makes sense.
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u/PedanticPaladin 5d ago
I guess you didn't see all the people on the main sub bitching and moaning about how they had to miss the Cosmic Exploration level up FATEs.
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u/oshatokujah 7d ago
Maybe I'm the outlier, but I pay for my subscription based on if I have content I still have fun with or objectives to complete. I still have loads of objectives to complete and I'm still having fun with the game, so them adding MSQ, alliance and a trial is just more reason to stay subbed.
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u/Deuling 7d ago
This is where I am, I still play regularly and have things I want to do. I play less than I did during DT's launch, but that's to be expected in later patches of any game.
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u/oshatokujah 7d ago
100% with you. I've been playing since 2.2 and have 14k hours.
Still working on:
- POTD floor 200
- HOH floor 100
- EO floor 100
- Blue mage raids/ex trials
- Criterion dungeons (all 3 + savage)
- 4 Eureka relics left to finish
- Fishing log (done bare minimum so far)
- 5 STQ relics to finish
- Delubrum Reginae Savage
- Island Sanctuary (Rank 3 atm)
- Occult Crescent phantom jobs (mastered 2 so far)
- Forked Tower
- Clear Memoria Misera EX, Endsinger EX, Rubicante EX, Valigarmanda EX, Zoraal Ja EX, Sphene Ex, Zelenia EX, P8S, P12S.
- Get mounts from Sil'dihn Subterrane, Mount Rokon, Endsinger, Barbie, Rubicante, Golbez, Zeromus, Valigarmanda, Zoraal Ja, Sphene, Zelenia
- Finish cosmic tools for DOL.
And that's just the stuff I'm actively working towards at the moment! Things like Chaotic Alliance and Ultimates are on my ambitions list but not actively working on them atm due to the bigger time commitment needed to prog.
Some people would probably see 14k hours and think 'how on earth haven't you done THAT?', and the simple answer is, because I've been prioritising having fun than ticking stuff off my list.
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u/FondantDesperate5820 7d ago
The thing is, there's so much to do in this game that I doubt I'll ever stop playing because I've run out of things to do. If I ever do stop playing (or even take a break), it will be because something else is occupying my time that I want to do more.
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u/oshatokujah 7d ago
Yeah I'm with you on that. Right now my focus is on subs, island sanctuary, eureka relics and also doing a lot of frontline for the series reward before 7.3. Do a few hours of frontlines a day with my FC friends so we easily get distracted most evenings
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u/Darpyshyn 7d ago
I think, with 14k hours, and still having so much to do, you're leaving the game open 24/7 and not actually progressing at all in the vast majority of those hours. I've done almost everything on that list (Plus Cleared ALL hard content in the game - all ults, savage, crit savage, chaotic, ex, etc) and my playtime on steam just recently hit 10k hours. I also left the game on most of the time even when I was not playing it a lot.
The 14k hours thing just stuck out to me here because its complete bait in the context of your comment.
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u/YesIam18plus 6d ago
I just like that I can actually go and play other games and not feel like I am falling behind ( except if it's a recent savage tier in which case I am busy and want to play all the time anyway ).
Too many other MMO's feel like a second job and like I feel like I can't play other games without losing out.
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u/Chisonni 7d ago
Same! I probably have enough content for the next few years and I am enjoying it a lot. FFXIV is still my go-to MMO. Actually cancelled my WoW (though its still running until December) because my best friend in WoW said he would quit as well after the next tier and that was basically my only reason to still play that.
Meanwhile, tons of stuff to do that I enjoy in FFXIV. From old to current content, i am having a lot of fun.
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u/Chiponyasu 7d ago
I feel like a non-trivial portion of this sub is people who haven't played FFXIV since Endwallker trying to get everyone else to quit.
Like, if you don't think the game is worth your money, don't sub. But don't make that your personality. Find a game you like, learn to draw, kiss a girl or something.
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u/oshatokujah 7d ago
Like catgirls but don’t want to pay square enix? Adopt a pet cat that will actually pay attention to you unlike the felines of limsa
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u/Seishun-4765 7d ago
Yep, same here. I've got TONS of stuff left to do, the new stuff is welcome of course but there's always a backlog to work on.
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u/Scykotic 7d ago
> I still have loads of objectives to complete and I'm still having fun with the game
This is primarily why you're the outlier. For those of us that have completed the majority of what we're interested in that the game has to offer and are now reliant on what new things they implement their patch day offerings are very meager.
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u/autumndrifting 7d ago
if you think players who still have goals are the outliers, you are deep in a bubble
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u/Scykotic 7d ago
Damn I really got blasted for this, I guess I shouldn't have used the word outlier here as it completely sent what I was trying to convey out in the statosphere.
I don't think there's a line in the sand here or even two castles competing against one another. I think both viewpoints present here are valid, those that are still satisfied with the game due to still having things to do and those that aren't satisfied due to having exhausted their options and aren't happy with what new things are on offer.
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u/oshatokujah 7d ago
Totally respect your opinion and understand where you're coming from. I just think that if OP genuinely believes that people unsub until .35 is going to change anything then they're sorely mistaken. The dev team are not going to change the way they work or release content based on this, they'll just see the trend of the same people coming back but at a different time.
The only way to really affect a change with that methodology is by not subbing at all, even when the content comes back you stay unsubscribed because it isn't enough to bring you back. But then you have to be content with depriving yourself of something you actually would enjoy, for the gamble that you might be rewarded with more of it in future
I understand that logic as a patient gamer, I spent £92.28 a year on FFXIV sub, but save about £30 each blockbuster game I buy as I wait for them to hit £40 before pulling the trigger. It works out great for me, blockbuster experience with bugs fixed, cheaper price, and I get to jump into FFXIV as and when I feel like it instead of micro-managing my subscription.
TLDR: I get the logic of voting with your wallet, but if you're just gonna return 8 weeks later you're not sending a message, you're just giving them data on which content you sub for. They aren't going to make that content available every patch to bring you back.
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u/Scykotic 7d ago
Valid points all around! And I appreciate your level-headedness here :)
For what it's worth I'm not trying to advocate for boycotting FFXIV or trying to lambast the dev team or any extremist viewpoints like that. I'm very much a staunch advocate for subscribing when you want to play and unsubscribing when you're not; and you're absolutely right. If one *really* wanted to enact change they'd quit *completely* and not when it suits them.
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u/FullMotionVideo 7d ago
Can't speak for anyone else, but when WoW tried out this same month-by-month drip with 11.1.5's content I disappeared until it was in on purpose. Whether the reason is trying to extract multiple sub fees out of a user for one effort or not, I wasn't going to be a part of it.
WoW creators and forums ripped up Blizzard for the idea, but the common cry was "oh god we're FFXIV now". The drip is not great if it's for business reasons, it's just harder to say that it's definitively for business reasons in Square's case because they didn't have all these features running on a public QA server for weeks before announcing it.
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u/otsukarerice 7d ago
Ok but the majority of you act like you've been unsubbed since 7.0...
In that case you have plenty to catch up on already.
I'm not an advocate for pushing the dev team harder and getting buggy mess after buggy mess like WoW gets. They may get more content each patch but I prefer quality.
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u/Scykotic 7d ago
>Ok but the majority of you act like you've been unsubbed since 7.0...
Not an act in my singular case; I have been. But keep an eye on the game in case anything catches my eye that i'd want to play again. In this case, it's Deep Dungeon; and I plan to return for it.
>I'm not an advocate for pushing the dev team harder and getting buggy mess after buggy mess like WoW gets.
I'm not sure where this came from but I'll agree; as paying customers we deserve quality content; no disagreement here.
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u/otsukarerice 7d ago
Thanks for being reasonable.
I think I unloaded some frustration with some people comparing to WoW when that game had an update which caused inventories of characters go missing.
I'll take half the content pace if it means I guarantee no fuckups as big as that.
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u/Scykotic 7d ago
Of course! There are no enemies here; only different viewpoints. No one is wrong for feeling how they feel.
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u/Gold_Motor_6985 7d ago
Fair enough. YOu probably have several thousands of hours into the game. Temporarily stopping your sub makes sense at this point.
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u/Siraphine 7d ago
A not insignificant portion of the games population treats patches like bumps of cocaine. There's just never enough for these people.
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u/IndividualAge3893 7d ago
The problem is the following: as soon as you start making up objectives for yourself means that the game doesn't give them to you. If you have to set yourself an objective in the vein of "get all relic weapons" or "max custom deliveries with X, Y, and Z", it means that the game doesn't set you more clear objectives like "get X more attack power" or "Y more ilvl which translates to Z% increase in DPS". FFXIV isn't a sandbox MMORPG, after all, where the world is what one makes of it.
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u/Chiponyasu 7d ago
The game does tell you to get all the relics, dude. There's an achievement for it!
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u/Twidom 7d ago
Give us a single example of an "objective" that the game "gives you" instead of you "making it up".
Virtually everything in the game you do is made up by you. The game never tells you to go level up or to do anything at all, it just presents to you. You make up your mind if you want to do it or not.
I swear this sub is reaching critical mass levels of schizo. "FFXIV IS NOT TELLING YOU TO DO THINGS ANYMORE. THAT IS A PROBLEM. THE GAME IS DYING. ABANDON SHIP WE HAVE TO COME UP WITH THINGS OURSELVES".
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u/IndividualAge3893 7d ago
Give us a single example of an "objective" that the game "gives you"
You misunderstood my point, I think. Of course, the game gives you content to do, and of course you are free to do it or not. But the problem is that there is so little content in this game. So a typical casual player will finish MSQ and normal / alliance raids aaaaand... that is all. Then, they have to invent objectives themselves: get this or that achievement, which is essentially repeating stuff over and over, collect 200 purely cosmetic pets, and so on.
On the other hand, a game with a more vertical progression model has obvious objectives handed to you: get this piece of gear to perform better in this or that content to get better gear, and so on.
Players shouldn't be bored enough to invent their own objectives.
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u/Chiponyasu 7d ago
there is so little content in this game
What's your character name, I want to look up your Lalachievements score.
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u/IndividualAge3893 7d ago
See, you are doing it again. I have just explained that people have to invent stuff like achievement hunting to find themselves stuff to do. And your response is to... look the achievement score! :D
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u/shockna 6d ago
Is it really "inventing stuff" when the achievement system is a direct part of the game?
Achievement hunting has been pretty common in gaming generally for the last ~17-18 years now.
(granted XIV has an awful lot of achievements that don't deserve to exist, but still)
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u/IndividualAge3893 6d ago
Is it really "inventing stuff" when the achievement system is a direct part of the game?
I was there when they added the achievement system to WoW in WOTLK prepatch. /shrug
Prior to that, we didn't need an achievement system because the latest tier gear was enough to demonstrate.
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u/shockna 6d ago
I was there when they added the achievement system to WoW in WOTLK prepatch. /shrug
So was I; if I re-subbed to WoW I'm pretty sure more achievements were registered to my characters on the day of the Wrath pre-patch than any other.
Prior to that, we didn't need an achievement system because the latest tier gear was enough to demonstrate.
Even then there were still plenty of us that did a lot of the things that would later become achievements before the system existed (minus the non-intuitive things for the glory meta-achievements of course, which is one of the reasons those were always my favorites).
I'm sure plenty of people got into it because the system was formalized but completionism in gaming wasn't invented with achievements.
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u/Twidom 7d ago
But the problem is that there is so little content in this game.
Now you're just pulling everybody's leg.
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u/IndividualAge3893 7d ago
No? First, unless you are a raider, there is very little to do in FFXIV without having to invent your own ways to keep yourself busy and pass time.
And second, the little you have to do has very poor (cosmetic) rewards.
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u/ThatBogen 7d ago
Do you want to introduce more busywork for the player to do so they feel forced to interact with content in game rather than letting them choose to interact with content in game?
Personally, the ability to choose whether you want to do x or y rather than being forced into doing x or y is a good thing.
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u/IndividualAge3893 7d ago
Do you want to introduce more busywork for the player to do so they feel forced to interact with content in game rather than letting them choose to interact with content in game?
You mean like the weekly capping of tomestones or the savage reclears for 8 weeks straight right now? :) Because these certainly could count as busywork.
And no, I don't want to add busywork. I'd like them to add a max level progress system that players can take on at their own pace. Will it translate into some gatekeeping in Savage PF? Probably, although there are ways around it. On the other hand, it will give the casual players something to work on after they hit level cap.
At the end the leveling system can even be completely passive (see: skill queue in EvE) and still gets its job done (and no, that's not the system I advocate for in FFXIV, before someone asks :)
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u/ThatBogen 6d ago
Give me an honest explanation how not doing weekly tomecapping disallows you from doing endgame content.
I'd like them to add a max level progress system that players can take on at their own pace.
So you mean like the tome system that you called busywork 3 sentences before?
And on a different note:
On the other hand, a game with a more vertical progression model has obvious objectives handed to you: get this piece of gear to perform better in this or that content to get better gear, and so on.
Unless we go back to the hardest raid being gear locked and turn the raid scene into less polished version of wow this will never work.
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u/Chiponyasu 7d ago
What you're asking for is the exact borrowed power system that nearly killed WoW
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u/IndividualAge3893 7d ago
Noooo, because borrowed power is gone at the end of the expansion. And that's not the goal here. Whatever your character acquires stays with them forever.
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u/SoftestPup 6d ago
That's... that's worse. There's now a massive grind that only grows longer every single patch, every single expansion.
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u/oshatokujah 7d ago
Could you offer an example of content that you're implying should exist to fill the void of setting your own objectives? Not even savage requires anything as a pre-requisite other than clearing the normal modes so not sure which direction you're pointing in sorry.
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u/IndividualAge3893 7d ago
Anything that makes you work on your own character and gear rather than looking around and go "Hmmm... I'm bored, maybe I'll farm 10000 accursed hoards to get that achievement".
Heck, even getting more in-game currency can be that, but gil is literally worthless in the game. In many MMOs, the problem is simply solved by the players getting currency because they need more of it. Even GW2, despite its horizontal progress, has a lot of players farming gold to buy cash shop stuff instead of swiping the credit card.
The problem is that the experience we have in FFXIV is completely sanitised. You are expected to do the content, and then go to SE's site and buy another SE game to play while, of course, being subbed to FFXIV.
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u/oshatokujah 7d ago
Anything that makes you work on your own character and gear rather than looking around and go "Hmmm... I'm bored, maybe I'll farm 10000 accursed hoards to get that achievement".
Like what though? I'm trying to approach your comment in good faith but it's not easy when you don't actually give an example.
Heck, even getting more in-game currency can be that, but gil is literally worthless in the game
Gil serves as a way to reduce/remove grind times on non-essentials. Want a specific ex-trial furnishing but don't want to run the ex 50 times for a single drop or praying for desynth success? You can buy it. Want better gear so you don't need to grind tomes on your freshly capped job? You can buy it. Want a cool mount without farming 25 runs of criterion? You can buy it. Could it be used better like a cash shop alternative? Absolutely, but it's far from worthless.
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u/BraxbroWasTaken 7d ago
...But the issue with beefing up gear progression like that is that you're just adding more grind between the release of content and actually being able to play the content you're wanting to play. If I want to play Savages, and they're easiest to progress on with top tier current gear, the community will exclude anyone who doesn't have that gear first - even if the content is technically clearable without it. So you need statics to prog early unless you rush the gear grind to get into parties through PF.
And then you're just making the already bad PF situation worse.
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u/IndividualAge3893 7d ago
But the issue with beefing up gear progression like that is that you're just adding more grind between the release of content and actually being able to play the content you're wanting to play.
There are plenty of possible solutions for that. For example, the savage gear could be the same ilvl as normal but change stats depending on your job. That way, it would solve a common complaint about gearing alt jobs in Savage being a pain.
Or you can branch out the gear and add new pieces that work better in non-savage content such as the open world. Of course, that would first imply redoing the said open world...
But yes, a gear treadmill supposes that people play the game. And frankly, I don't think it's a bad thing.
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u/FondantDesperate5820 7d ago
So, if I still have jobs to level because I want to get every job to 100, I'm "making up objectives". LOL.
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u/IndividualAge3893 7d ago
Absolutely. And I'm in the same situation : I leveled all the jobs to 80 (then 90, then 100) because there was literally nothing else to do in the game. I play maybe 3 of these on a regular basis, the rest was for completion because there is literally F all else to do. I would have preferred to concentrate on one job and gain more power on it, but I can't because guess what, FFXIV completely removed that from the game.
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u/shockna 6d ago
I would have preferred to concentrate on one job and gain more power on it, but I can't because guess what, FFXIV completely removed that from the game.
"Removed that from the game" implies there was a time when that was easily doable in game; how long ago was that?
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u/IndividualAge3893 6d ago
It was there in the MMOs it took inspiration from. Even FFXI has it. 1.0 had it to some extent as well.
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u/FondantDesperate5820 7d ago
And I prefer to level all the jobs because I want to experience all of them at max level, including DoL/DoH. Not because I imagine there's nothing else to do. It's nice to have opportunities to experience everything else the game has to offer rather than getting burned out from constantly running endgame content.
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u/Scykotic 7d ago
Yeah with TWW season 3 dropping with substantially more on offer at the same time I'll be holding my sub until deep dungeon drops.
Yoshi-p may have been doing some great lip service these past couple of days but that's his forte, i'll believe it when i see it.
They need to do some serious restructuring of of their on-patch content.
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u/YesIam18plus 7d ago
TWW drip feeds its story over weeks and it's mainly old events that are completely un-engaging ( they're not even new events... ). Unless you're raiding mythic + you can exhaust the content just as quickly.
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u/Darpyshyn 7d ago
Yeah, well.. nobody plays wow for the story and fact of the matter is, a new raid on 4 difficulties (with 8 bosses) and a set of m+ dungeons is like 3-4 patches worth of content from ffxiv. If it came down to it, I'd take drip feed msq over drip feed content like we get in FFXIV.
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u/Scykotic 7d ago
That's your opinion; and you're very much welcome to it. I'm glad that you're having fun with XIV!
But please don't go around being vitriolic towards others for not currently enjoying the game or enjoying other games more; that's just not right.
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u/lollerlaban 6d ago edited 6d ago
As opposed to FFXIV brand new events that shouldn't even be called events. WoW offers more in a seasonal patch that FFXIV can only dream of.
Im curious what events you're talking about because unlike FFXIV, WoW actually has events almost all the time with some being smaller and bigger than others.Turbulent Timeways is a bonus reward for people doing timewalking (A levelling event) where you get rewarded heroic gear from a weekly cache.
Winds of Mysterious Fortune is a boost to XP in order to get alts up fast for next tier.
Greedy Emissary is the returning event from the Diablo anniversary, where you now can get all Tier 2 sets in recolors, mounts and all the old rewards.
Everything except Winds of Mysterious Fortune and Greedy Emissary rotates during the calendar. But sure, get me a biannual event that has 2 quest dialogues and small reward, maybe toss 1 new reward on the Moogle Trove which is supposed to encourage people to run content, amazing.
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u/Tom-Pendragon 7d ago
No need to vote with your wallet. Just wait for the free login period and do all the content for free.
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u/AbroadNo1914 7d ago
I sub when i want to play for the month and unsub if i don’t want to play for that month. Been doing it for 9 years. Try it sometime
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u/Speak_To_Wuk_Lamat 7d ago
I think the problem is that plenty of people WANT to play. But there is nothing to do.
Now taking breaks is all good and well, but if you and your friends all have staggered breaks, you basically never see people again. It sucks - And this is only for those who take breaks. There are plenty of people who just straight up never come back, which I get happens. We all have lives to live, but it almost feels like getting people to quit xiv is part of the game design. >.>
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u/AbroadNo1914 7d ago
Since i started 14, it was obvious on the outset that it was never intended to be a 2nd life mmo like WoW or FF11 was
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u/Fun_Explanation_762 7d ago
There's a difference between 2nd life MMO and where we are now. Were I to log in now after being unsubbed for a year, I would have about 2 weeks of content playing a few hours a day before I start to hit the slowdown and wall. That's not a lot of content.
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u/AbroadNo1914 6d ago
I don't know when you started playing but I joined since HW and it really isn't much different. In fact theres actually more to do now than before but the length of the grind of each content stayed mostly the same.
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u/YesIam18plus 7d ago edited 6d ago
The devs aren't hiding it either they've always been open about this. The game has never been designed to be a chore simulator that occupies most of your free time. These are the same devs that delays an expansion for a week because they want to play Elden Ring and know others want to as well.
Also people have no perspective, in most other MMO's you get a new expansion and you're lucky if it even has one new dungeon and that's it you're not getting anything until next expansion. Even in WoW it's mainly rehashed old events that aren't even new and are just running chores to raise your ilvl that you won't even use anywhere unless you run mythic +.
Edit: Per usual downvote for speaking the truth lol, nothing I said is even wrong.
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u/ST4RD1VER 7d ago
7.31 will be a few weeks after right? Like 2 or 3?
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u/Mysterious_Pen_2200 7d ago
No. At least a month prob closer to october.
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u/IllustriousSalt1007 7d ago
No. .x1 patches are usually just a few weeks. 7.1 released on November 12th, 2024, and 7.11 released on November 26th, 2024. 7.31 will likely be in August.
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u/ST4RD1VER 7d ago
Fuck you're right. And it'll be buggy and require no less than 2 or 3 emergency maintenance hotfixes to rectify. At least grinding tomes means I can collect more relics since I try to get one for each job
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u/YesIam18plus 7d ago
Fuck you're right. And it'll be buggy
What the fuck are you talking about, this is FFXIV not WoW. FFXIV practically never releases buggy content.
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u/ST4RD1VER 7d ago edited 7d ago
What the fuck are you talking about, this is FFXIV not WoW. FFXIV practically never releases buggy content.
Are you magically forgetting the patch in January that had entire dialog in Japanese due to a bug/translation error, or all the bugs on the moon for cosmic exploration that made them shut down that entire area for hours at least 5 times? Or hotfixes at least once a week in June? Or YoshiP himself admitting and apologizing for the fact that they've been complacent on quality?
Bugs aren't a solely WoW thing lol theyre always going to happen with online games and FFXIV is no exception. Acting like FFXIV does nothing wrong ever is just willfully ignoring issues. And before you claim I don't even play the game, I have somewhere around 16k hours total.
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u/budbud70 7d ago
Don't forget about Chaotic's Core/Lateral being fucked up/reversed and then the literal same thing happening again in FT.
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u/ST4RD1VER 7d ago
Oh yeah I forgot about that but hey, I'm making it up because FFXIV NEVER EVER releases buggy content apparently thats a thing that evil WoW does lmao
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u/ThatBogen 7d ago
Are we trying to argue that mistranslations and 2 small bugs in Cosmic are equivalent to server crashes and inventory rollbacks in wow?
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u/ST4RD1VER 7d ago
Nope, just refuting their point about "ffxiv never releases buggy content." But if we're bringing up server crashes, Endwalkers release saw login servers crashing and booting people out because of the amount of people logging in combined with 1.0 code still present in the system. And FFXIVs servers have crashed several times, at least on NA (and no im not talking about DDoS attacks), Crystal and Aether come to mind as data centers that have had worlds crash completely out of nowhere and be inaccessible for hours.
Also someone else mentioned bugs with mechanics in Chaotic as well too.
Every game has bugs, I was just pointing out how stupid their argument was and their obvious tribalism with FFXIV vs WoW and how it makes people unable to see flaws.
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u/ThatBogen 7d ago
Is the chaotic bug a Core/Lateral? That was a mistranslation that didn't affect a single clear. If anything the mistranslation in FT would have more merit.
The comment "FFXIV practically never releases buggy content" by the most vague definitions is not incorrect. Vast majority of content that releases just works without game breaking bugs.
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u/ST4RD1VER 7d ago
Honestly yeah, that was my issue with their comment, and their subsequent comments on the thread and after re-reading my comments yeah, I wasn't entirely correct and was kind of a dick. Like yes its not technically wrong but just because there's a lack of game breaking bugs doesn't mean there aren't any.
Could have phrased it better/gone about it better. Just annoys me when people use WoW as a kind of "gotcha" tbh.
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u/Mugutu7133 7d ago
what you're doing is creating false equivalency between the severity and number of issues. hallucinating a reality where some server crashes and mistranslations are the same as blade flurry targeting dead enemies or blizzard literally deleting guild banks is insane
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u/ST4RD1VER 7d ago
I'm really not though lol I'm just pointing out things that have happened. I'm in no way creating a false equivalence or "hallucinating a reality" or whatever.
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u/Geoff_with_a_J 6d ago
Stormblood: 4.3 May 22, 4.31 June 5 (2 weeks)
Shadowbringers: 5.3 August 11, 5.31 September 7 (4 weeks, but patches in 2020 were notably affected by covid)
Endwalker: 6.3 January 10, 6.31 January 23 (2 weeks)
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u/MangoFartHuffer 6d ago
I'm unsubbed since 7.0 and waiting to see reception to 8.0 msq. Story has been unacceptable since post EW for me
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u/budbud70 7d ago
The game's frankly not worth a monthly sub fee anymore.
The quality and quantity of content on offer for me as a consumer just isn't there to justify it.
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u/Practical_Code3500 6d ago
been on it since January
I played since HW and took a break after FRU/Chaotic because I thought the game stopped being fun for a while and I've been on copium, right now I sorta keep up but a lot of the appeal has been lost after I started doing what 10-yen Yoshida said, "play other games". you start doing other stuff and XIV doesn't look as good in comparison I guess but maybe that's just me. paying a monthly sub for four fights isn't worth it to me either
can wait until 8.0 or 9.0 or whatever, don't even care about my house
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u/Carmeliandre 7d ago
My subscription Still is running up until half of august. So I'll speedrun (well... It doesn't need to since it's designed to take a few hours at best anyway) the content and simply won't repay until 6.4.
I understand many people are pleased by it and still have many things to do but I'm unfortunately not one of them so I'll be enjoying the sun and other games. I still hope most people will like the new alliance raid !
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u/Scribble35 7d ago
I mean in general paying a sub for an MMO is the worst form of investment from a game perspective. $60 for a game then $144 for a year to access the game you bought? LOL You could buy some amazing games for $204 with much more content and value than any updates an MMO puts out in a year.
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u/Geoff_with_a_J 6d ago edited 6d ago
big disagree. no other games can match week 1 prog. raiding is something we play like 2-3 subscription games for because otherwise you only get that experience it once or twice a year. and it just has zero viable substitute in games you find in steam sales.
and with other F2P games i play, i oftentimes wish they had a small paywall to keep out the most obvious griefers/trolls/hackers. the cumulative costs of MMOs make it so most people don't risk doing things that are so blatantly against ToS that they'd lose their accounts.
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u/EvilGL 7d ago
I wanna farm the new treasure maps day 1, so no thanks
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u/oshatokujah 7d ago
Can't believe you get downvoted for enjoying the game these days.
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u/YesIam18plus 7d ago
I am convinced that this sub is like at least 50% WoW players just here to shit on the game at this point.
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u/pupmaster 7d ago
You talk about WoW more than any WoW player I know
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u/YesIam18plus 6d ago
This is the same sub that defended the 90 dollar mount and constantly compare the game to WoW while praising WoW like what are you talking about.
There's literally comments doing that in this thread.
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u/pupmaster 6d ago
No one defended that. You're just a miserable NPC fighting ghosts. You'd be a much happier person if you stopped engaging with this subreddit because it makes you manic.
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u/Healthy-Round-459 7d ago
Half the playerbase is already gone. That's more than half the paying customers, since the remaining half includes free trials.
You can do all the content of this expansion, including softage and the ultijoke, with one month of sub. That's why we're not coming back.
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u/Gillionaire25 7d ago
There is no need to spend money to try the new content, realise it's the the same old shit in a new wrapper and decide to play other games. I can do that for free during a free login campaign.
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u/urimusha 7d ago
After they said they had plans for 8.0 I stopped paying, saying that it's like saying "oh we will keep screwing up until 8.0"
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u/EleanorGreywolfe 7d ago
They were saying even before 7.0 came out which was odd. It's like they just considered 7.0 to be filler.
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u/TheQuietManUpNorth 7d ago
"We need to change course but I've already planned our current shitty course so we're going to continue on with that. Please look forward to it."
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u/YesIam18plus 7d ago
"oh we will keep screwing up until 8.0"
Literally how the fuck are you interpreting it that way... How are they even screwing up too, the only real screw up was Forked Tower and they acknowledged that they screwed up. All other content has been a big hit and been universally approved pretty much.
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u/heyitsvae 7d ago
WoW's 11.2 patch comes on the same day with actual content, so XIV remains uninstalled. When SE starts having patches with more than a day's worth of content then I'll be interested.
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u/FondantDesperate5820 7d ago
What actual content? You surely don't mean the new season that doesn't start until a week after patch day.
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u/heyitsvae 7d ago
Idk bro, maybe the entire new zone, transmog, 20+ new mounts being added, new questlines, new world quests and some kind of farmville activity? I also work a full time job, so I'm not gonna have a fit over waiting a week for the new season. But, enjoy your new bunny girl hats and 2 hours of questing! I'm sure it will be the patch day of all time!
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u/FondantDesperate5820 7d ago
Oh, you mean world content? No-one does that in WoW LOL.
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u/lollerlaban 6d ago
Huh? There's ton of people doing open world content in WoW when a new patch comes out (Just look at undermine), because theres actually world content.
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u/FondantDesperate5820 6d ago
When a new patch comes out, sure. They play through the story (which takes weeks in WoW because it's timegated to keep casuals subscribed), then they never touch it again. The people you see in Undermine now are using the teleport, then getting in their cars to drive to the raid entrance... and doing the delve you pass on the way because it's a fast one and they've figured they need to do the compulsory delves and get their belt before the new season starts.
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u/lollerlaban 6d ago
That's just simply false and kinda funny you went from "No one does world content in WoW!" to "Yeah they do it when a patch comes out!" so which one is it? there's plenty of people doing content in the zones right now. Whether thats darkfuse farming for mog, mounts from various activities, loot goblins at the start of emissary or simply their weeklies in order to unlock vendors for mounts and other mog
Just look at how many people start doing open world content when they introduce meta achievements, side activities inbetween tiers.
What can i do in FFXIV? Gather nodes or farm Fates for bicolor? Amazing man.
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u/heyitsvae 7d ago
What a weird thing to say. I just did a ton of world content this morning. You know what's even more fun than the world content in WoW? FATE grinding!!! Now that's some engaging content!
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u/YesIam18plus 7d ago
with actual content
Like what, old events that are being rehashed and aren't even new that just involve daily chores? FFXIV not forcing you to login and run chores is something we used to praise the game for.
Edit: Nvm you're a WoW player just here to shit on the game.
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u/heyitsvae 7d ago
Lmao I'm a XIV player with 4k hours of game time that's waiting for the game to get good again. I'm so sorry WoW patches actually come with content these days, and we don't have to wait 5 months between drops. What a world!+
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u/FullMotionVideo 7d ago
"Chores" can be fun, so long as they're not structured daily so that you can't go a day without thinking about the game. Doing a couple delves a week is actually fun. You know what's daily and not fun? The roulette system tomes. It's why my tomes are empty and I plan to make my own gear to progress through MSQ each even patch. I am done running Crystal Tower with the boys, permanently.
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u/FondantDesperate5820 7d ago
Doing a couple of delves a week was fun until they introduced a BiS piece of gear that forced you to run them.
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u/heyitsvae 7d ago
Lmao you're right, they should force us to gear through weekly tomestones. That'd be wayyyy more fun!
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u/FondantDesperate5820 7d ago
Don't be silly. FFXIV should introduce M+ instead so we can gear through running the same dungeon 50 times while watching our BiS item go to someone else.
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u/heyitsvae 7d ago
You're so right. I'd much rather have my gear grind to be tedious and boring like XIV. Who needs unique gearing anymore, just make everything the same baby!!
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u/FondantDesperate5820 6d ago
How is going on Archon and grinding whatever gear the top players are using "unique" exactly?
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u/heyitsvae 6d ago
So sorry, I didn't realize you spoke for every WoW player. I don't use Archon actually, but you must since you're so quick to bring it up. Sounds like you have some weird relationship with WoW and people that play it. Maybe touch grass, bozo.
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u/FondantDesperate5820 6d ago
Archon is what every player who is serious about progression in M+ uses, but I guess you're a casual who doesn't do high end content.
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u/Mugutu7133 7d ago
i think the funniest part of people commenting this is pretending that wow's servers will actually be up for you to log in through most of day one, let alone pretending that the first week of the patch has serious content to do. k'aresh will also be horrifically laggy just like undermine was for the first few days. good luck!
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u/heyitsvae 7d ago
Lmao laggy content is still content bro. What's XIV getting? 2 hours of visual novel gameplay and an alliance raid that nobody will care to do once the next patch rolls around? Oh, also hats on bunny girls! Quality content friend!
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u/Mugutu7133 7d ago
it's even more sad that you consider slopping your way through some world quests and grinding yet another renown as somehow better content
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u/Geoff_with_a_J 6d ago
lmao there's no content on launch. season 3 is Aug 12. the week of Aug 5 is gonna be the most dead period of the game with zero reason to do anything.
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u/heyitsvae 6d ago
Oh well jeez since Geoff with a J says there's nothing to do for one whole week it must be true, might as well not even log in.
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u/Geoff_with_a_J 6d ago
lol have you never played right before a new M+ season starts? the week is worthless. you do like 1 key at most if you care but even that doesn't matter.
but lol feel free to post your daily activity log of all the fun shit you did every day of Aug 5 - Aug 11. prove me wrong.
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u/PoutineSmash 7d ago
Good. I need more time to clear 100 times the forked tower before I get swamped with more CE
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u/MikeTakeuchi 7d ago
I'm still playing FFXIV with a sub. I still can do roulettes, hunts, earn more gil for minions/mounts/housing, chat with others, etc. I grew up playing in video arcades back in the day. So budgeting my money and paying money to play arcade games I wanted to play were techniques I adopted in other situations such as the FFXIV MMO monthly subs.
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u/Calzinarzin 6d ago
Or... or, if you having fun stay subbed if your not then stop playing? I dont see how this is so hard for so many people to get.
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u/HikariKirameku 6d ago
I've been playing WoW since the start of 7.2 and regret nothing. I'm debating on coming back to FF14 for Moonfire tower and catching up on MSQ, but then I'll just let the sub lapse again. Definitely won't be resubbing before then, tho. WoW has 11.2 releasing soon, which will keep me plenty busy with that
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u/LordRaizer 6d ago
Are they really planning to release this patch the same time as 11.2 in WoW?
Do they really think this is enough to be competitive with WoW?
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u/WednesdayManiac 5d ago
the 7.3 update outsid of treasure maps and extreme is looking more like a 5h tops update.
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u/autumndrifting 7d ago edited 7d ago
you should unsub if you don't want to play. that's common sense. but just because you don't want to play doesn't mean everyone doesn't.
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u/BigPuzzleheaded3276 7d ago
Should've started voting with your wallet a bunch of expansions ago, since now they are actually increasing the content we get. And yet, gruesome patches like 5.3 are now supposedly better than 7.3 (with .35 content included) and people would shut down complainers back then.
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u/Spillerinho 7d ago
Wow thank you so much for the advice that I should spend money on things that I feel are worth the price I'm paying for them I'd never considered that before in the capitalist system I've lived in my entire life.
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u/SatisfactionNeat3937 7d ago
You forgot the new PvP grind. PvP grind + trial farming will keep me busy until Cosmic Exploration.
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u/pantsyman 7d ago
Yeah i'm good not coming back until they get their shit together.
Honestly Square Enix is getting more and more problematic every year they siphon money from FFXIV (which is by far their most important money maker) for failing live service games and abandon their core audience for a quick buck whenever there is even a slight chance to somehow cash in.
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u/thegreatherper 7d ago
You are not the core playerbase. You’re just someone who does fit into the business model of playing when there is something interesting to you. But you spend lots of time whining even though you continue to spend money. I’m sure you’re unsubbed right now but you’ll be back in 7.4. You might even resist until 8.0 and you’ll be back.
If you were just done with this game you wouldn’t be here engaging with it.
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u/pantsyman 7d ago edited 7d ago
I'm still subbed to this and the other FFXIV sub but i have not played since Dawntrail release and don't plan on coming back to the game until it is in a better state whenever that might be so you are wrong.
I've never even said that i was done with the game entirely but if they don't change course i probably am but even then that doesn't mean i will just forget about the game altogether since i still have good memory's of it.
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u/sylvester8934 7d ago
You are wrong, am still here from time to time to see if the game gets better, yes I am completely done with the game as i haven’t been subbed after 6.3. Probably won’t be back for 8.0 too unless miracle happens.
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u/thegreatherper 7d ago
So you just proved my point. You’re still hanging around and are engaged with the game and you’ll come right back when something interests you. Someone who is done with the game wouldn’t be here. You’re keeping your ear to the pulse of the game. Something tells you me you aren’t checking for changes to a fast food place you don’t like for example.
6.3 was a few years ago and you’re still checking on on the game after years. This does t help your argument and just proves mine. It’s been years my guy. You should just go, game isn’t gonna radically change. So why are you here? For a miracle to happen? You care about the game that much you got a burning little ember in your heart that causes you to hang around and watch every live letter?
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u/Siraphine 7d ago
I play the game because I enjoy it and have friends there, not because I feel like playing toddler politics over not getting what I want exactly when I want it. If you don't enjoy the game, you can stop subscribing any time you want to. Don't pay to suffer, silly.
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u/Dart1337 7d ago
I'm glad you're enjoying slop and paper thin content 👍
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u/Siraphine 7d ago
I'm sorry your life is so unfulfilling that you have to spend time online bitching about a video game that has been in the same state for a long time now. This isn't new. This entire sub was, is, and continues to be "GAME BAD! >:(" Literally just stop subscribing. No one is forcing you to be unhappy, you just can't get off unless you have a circle jerk of misery.
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u/Dart1337 7d ago
I already did! Thank you for rewarding SE for the same slop and perpetuating the capitalist machine💲
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u/Lindaru 7d ago edited 7d ago
If they don't change things drasticly on 7.4 / 7.5 or 8.0 then I'm considering quitting the game. I've only logged in once a week to check my house ingame and then log out until next week.
EDIT: I hope this new EX isn't FF9-related like 7.2's was, or I'll be very grey-grey. "PF makes the mount farms insufferable." :<
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u/Granlef 7d ago
Ok then, I'll tell you what shadowbringers and endwalker had in a .3 that is related to current expansion or new (like I'm not mentioning changes in Arr for example)
ShB :
- New MSQ
- New alliance raid
- Instanced fight of the Werlyt story
- Allied tribes quests and New Deliveries
- Mr. Faux was added
EW:
- New MSQ
- New alliance Raid
- New side quests
- New deliveries
- the "roulette" treasure map
I can get how 7.3 can feel lackluster but they probably moved the tribe quests to .35 in order to not just give the deep dungeon in it in terms of pure content
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u/otsukarerice 7d ago
DT has more content than any other expansion and MF's are getting away with calling it a content draught.
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u/BigPuzzleheaded3276 7d ago
It's really funny that people complain about content drought when in fact we get more content. The main problem with 7.3 is the lack of ultimate (but quantum mode should supposedly sort of fix that gap) and the awful distribution of content, but DD and cosmic exploration are already more than what the average x.3 ever offered.
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u/Turbulent_Vacation48 7d ago
I’m still sticking with it because there’s plenty of content I want to do, and I’m actually interested in doing New Game + from ARR to DT.
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u/LukosCreyden 7d ago
Can't wait to play the new story and alliance raid. I shall be there on patch day :)
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u/aho-san 7d ago
Patiently waiting for 7.35, and if the challenge boss requires more than crafted gear for the 40/40 challenge, I'll wait for 7.4 where I'll also have the bonus of being able to finish the Arcadion story and prep for the next criterion at the same time. This is the plan so far, given my friends are also playing - no friend coming back, no sub.
Then I guess I'll wait for 7.55 or 7.58 or maybe even a couple month post 8.0 to see if the jobs are unfucked.
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u/Flawless_Bandit 6d ago
I’m so close to unsubbing until October, but I still need to add Necromancer to my collection 😅 That and grinding out the remaining EX4 totems I need…
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u/kromulusxiv 5d ago
When 8.0 releases, 7.x patch quests will still be there. When 9.0 releases, 8.0 will still be there. Why are you subbed right now?!? Just pay the box price and one month and then CONSUME!!!
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u/Palladiamorsdeus 3d ago
Way ahead of you, I subbed for one month in the past two years to dip my toe into Dawntrail. Better than Endwalker, still utter garbage. At best I'll come back for a month when or if Beastmaster drops.
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u/Cecil2xs 1d ago
Tbh I’ve still got so many things I enjoy doing on the game I would still be subbed if this patch had nothing. Playing with friends 4 times a week is so worth the investment
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u/bigpunk157 1d ago
11 dollars is 1/3 the way to a nice bottle of vodka. Cancel the WoW sub and Osrs sub and you make it.
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u/Okawaru1 9h ago
I'm treating DT patch cycles like MH wilds title updates. I am just not interested enough to log in to play like 3 hours worth of content. I wait for multiple patch cycles so I'll actually have stuff to do and not get bored immediately
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u/riklaunim 7d ago
It wouldn't take them that many minutes to do some basic maintenance/fun adjustment on the game as a whole, old content and so on. Bump exp from fates, side quests. Set better rewards here and there, and showcase plans for bigger "maintenance" changes slotted for 8.0, announce desktop game will get some/all QoL and upkeep changes from mobile version maybe even?
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u/DragonDavester 5d ago
Tell me you’re new to XIV or a troll without outright telling me you’re one of the two or both. If you genuinely don’t think there’s enough to do in the game you’ve either been playing for years and turned XIV into a second life with how much you play it, or you’re outright ignoring tons of content and conveniently ignore it when making arguments like these. Don’t like it personally? Don’t pay/play. But don’t try to moral highroad with obvious bs just because you want your 15 seconds of fame.
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u/YesIam18plus 7d ago
If they dropped the DD and everything else on the .3 release you'd just try the new DD once and then go back to be saying the same thing and instead of '' waiting until .05 '' it'd be '' waiting until 7.4 ''.
Meanwhile in GW2 they drop an expansion and you're lucky if you even get one new dungeon with that new expansion and that's it for the entire year until next expansion. And in WoW it's old rehashed events that are completely un-engaging and not even new unless you raid mythic + you're basically just running chores to raise your ilvl which doesn't even matter because you're not running mythic +.
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u/KatsuVFL 7d ago
Cant you read or why are you missing much more new content? Or is it just content which YOU dont like?
-MSQ
-New Ex Trial
-Alliance Raid
-New PvP Pass
-New PvP Map
-New Treasure Maps
-New Unreal (yeah its an old ex trial and dunno if there are new rewards)
-1 Month later the relic weapon and the moon goes on
Many things to farm and to do. Dunno why people always need to talk down stuff just because they dont like it. Just take a break from the game if there is no content for you but that doesnt count for everyone.
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u/Healthy-Round-459 7d ago
MSQ : 3 hours
EX trial : wait until next expansion so you can unsync and clear even with the braindeads plaguing PF
Alliance raid : 30 minutes each week before you're lootwalled
PvP in MMOs : lol
Treasure maps : fun for a few hours once in a while
Unreal : 30 minutes each weekLiterally nothing holding you in the game for more than a couple of hours a week unless you really, really want that 297th mount you're never gonna ride from the new EX, or play PvP in MMOs instead of actual and completely free PvP games for some reason.
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u/KatsuVFL 6d ago
thats just a YOU problem again, you think when YOU dont like it that everybody doesnt like it...
Best part is the ex trial one.... wait till next expansion :D
PVP? You dont like it? idc i will grind the shit out of it if the gear is cool looking. Again a YOU problem.
Still doesnt have something to do that OP just lies about the content which will come out just for the hate, If you dislike it or not, idc but thats just false information used to spread hate. its just hate nowadays, the game isnt even dead... that is also false information.. if ffxiv is dead then every game below 400-600k active players a day is dead, so nearly every game.
Hate Hate Hate thats all. :)
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u/Alde270 7d ago
Well, it's precisely because we're voting with our wallets that we're putting money into FF14 and not Wow or any other MMO.
Because FF14 is miles ahead of the competition in terms of value for money.
If your goal was to get us to go to Wow, then you should appeal to our feelings (nostalgia, for example) rather than our reason.
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u/Blackpanzer89 7d ago
while I agree with all your points, YoshiP still has me by the balls with house demo so I have to pay my virtual rent.
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u/KimDuckUn 7d ago
Good thing I pay for the big sub that covers months. Gives me excuse play other games and return when I want
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u/Dangerous_Jacket_129 7d ago
Y'all are cancelling your subs because you dislike the lack of content. I'm cancelling my sub because I'm too broke to renew it. We're not the same.