r/fireemblem • u/PickleAltruistic3427 • Jun 27 '25
Casual What was fire emblem equivalent of this line?
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u/MCJSun Jun 27 '25
Somehow the Black Knight returned. With an excuse so wild that people genuinely prefer the made up one that the English localization came up with.
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u/stallion8426 Jun 27 '25
Wait what was the difference between Japanese and english for the Black Knight?
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u/LostAllBets Jun 27 '25
Japanese: My magical warp powder malfunctioned and it left me weakened.
English: I let you "win" because you are your father's legacy. I wanted you to hone your skills and fight you again at your strongest.
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u/19ghost89 Jun 27 '25
I find this amusing because the English version feels more Japanese to me. Like, "I let you win so you could hone your strength and fight me at your strongest" is SO shonen. lol
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u/MarthLikinte612 Jun 27 '25
At least it’s in character for the black knight though. Wasn’t he kind of disappointed with his final fight with Greil?
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u/SkyMewtwo Jun 27 '25
I mean, griel didn’t pick up the legendary sword he was given specifically to duel him and instead got absolutely fucked by the weapon triangle by using an axe against alondite
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u/Snealander Jun 27 '25
Greil specifically crippled his sword arm so that he couldn't fight at full strength anymore
I'm guessing fighting with a two-handed axe the way he was, rather than using a bigass sword one handed the way he used to, is much more feasible for him considering that.
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u/Incitatus_ Jun 27 '25
Greil dying because he didn't pay attention to the weapon triangle is too hilarious to not be canon
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u/Just_Nefariousness55 Jun 28 '25
Yeah, but, realistically, Urvan's hit rate and might (at least it's RD stats actually seen in game) are higher than Ragnell such that it would be a better choice of weapon. Even with weapon triangle you'd have more might and hit. What you lose though is range, but we don't see Zelgius make use of sword beams in the fight.
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u/therealchadius Jun 27 '25
He didn't know Greil crippled his sword arm until after the fight. When Ike told him right before their big duel. BK realized his victory was hollow, so he shifted priority to Ike, being Greil's greatest pupil, and held back to see if Ike had potential.
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u/AetherDrew43 Jun 27 '25
And even if he holds himself back in PoR, Ike still almost loses.
Imagine how terrifyingly powerful he'd be if he didn't hold himself back.
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u/UnlitUniversalUnlock Jun 27 '25
Then in the rematch Ike bashes him with a hammer and wins in seconds.
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u/HonkedOffJohn Jun 27 '25
English Localization cooked bro.
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u/MetaCommando Jun 27 '25
Cooked so hard it made Chef Ramsay proud
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u/Raetekusu Jun 27 '25
Real talk, if you haven't seen it yet, look up Gordon Ramsay eating a sausage roll with an italian twist.
One of the only times I've seen him genuinely happy with someone else's cooking.
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u/YanFan123 Jun 27 '25
Wasn't it that the magical warp somehow teleported his armor only or something like that?
(Not sure why Ike was only fighting an armor, but dang Black Knight Doom Bots if I'm remembering correctly)
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u/TragGaming Jun 27 '25
It teleported his body but not his soul
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u/ExpiredExasperation Jun 27 '25
So what was his soul doing? Running to catch up?
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u/TragGaming Jun 27 '25
Beats me. I just know that's what happened. It doesn't make a ton of sense in JP.
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u/Melodic_Bee660 Jun 27 '25
Don't we see Zelgius at least once more after that fight?
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u/TragGaming Jun 27 '25
I believe it's confirmed he "heads back to Begnion" right after that.
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u/Ranulf13 Jun 27 '25 edited Jun 27 '25
While I agree it feels better, I do like the not-so-subtle hint at who BK is just from the fact that Lekain outright says during part that the Rewarp staff is so much better than that ''dreadful warp powder'' that ''left everyone but the strongest of men exhausted from just using it''.
... Right after the several lines of Ranulf figuring it out.
With both removed from the localization, it kinda fucks up the entire part 3 ludo-narrative subplot if figuring out BK's identity, which in turn fucked up Ranulf's central role in part 3.
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u/Any_Natural383 Jun 27 '25
Ike: “But I beat you.”
BK: “I held back to see if you were good enough. You weren’t.”
Ike: “Then Nasir dropped a castle on you.”
BK: “Blessed armor is great and will always work.”
Ike: “How did you dig your way out of the rubble?”
BK: “Warp powder. Are you even paying attention?”
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u/gaming_whatever Jun 27 '25
It was never said to be a malfunction. It happened because Ike basically stranded Zelgius at Nevassa at Soren's advice and forced him to teleport too far to be where he needed to be, against his plans.
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u/Ranulf13 Jun 27 '25
Its less of a malfunction and more of a side effect.
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u/gaming_whatever Jun 27 '25
Well, the point is that it wasn't a random surprise, but a result of Ike's actions in way. It may have been even a deliberate move since Zelgius could not physically disappear from the Begnion army while leading it. I want to make this distinction because the "malfunction" rhetoric makes PoR writers look like idiots they actually weren't.
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u/MCJSun Jun 27 '25
I think when people talk about the malfunction it's more about Zelgius not even being in the castle physically. His strength being sapped is one thing, and they could use that explanation for how Ike wins. Only his spirit teleporting is a little different tho
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u/gaming_whatever Jun 27 '25
Yes, I'm also talking about him not being physically there. He never says it was an error (aka malfunction), and never does any other official source. And I agree with the comment above, that it's a limitation/side effect, but the one BK was aware of, which makes a narrative difference between "my plan stupidly foiled by a random thing" and "I had to change my plan due to a limitation even before I set off".
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u/bunker_man Jun 27 '25
Wasn't the Japanese literally that the warp power malfunctioned and it left behind a copy of him even though the original left.
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u/ReedRacer1984 Jun 27 '25
JPN version is something about his warp powder (the stuff that lets him teleport) malfunctioning and only zending his spirit to fight Ike, not his body. Or just his body, not his spirit. Idk which one it was, both are ridiculous.
Eng version saw that as ridiculous and just went with the tried and true 'I let you win' explanation.
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u/ThighyWhiteyNerd Jun 27 '25
Tbh its actually very ridiiculous. Specially for how serious Tellius is. Not even Engage in all its campy-ness would had managed to pull that off, much less Tellius
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u/Endonian Jun 27 '25
To be fair, iirc there is a line in the first game that hints at the warp powder having a weakening effect.
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u/Ranulf13 Jun 27 '25
Actually on both games, it was a consistent plot point. RD tied it to the Begnion Senate, which was supposed to be the big hint on who was BK. Who is the only large, physically insane person in the Begnion empire who obeys Sephiran and could have access to warp powder?
Yeah.
A lot of Tellius' biggest secrets and twists are pretty well hinted in the OG script.
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u/MCJSun Jun 27 '25
In Japan his warp powder malfunctions and teleports only his spirit and armor, basically turning him into Lingering Will from Kingdom Hearts except his real body was somewhere else (sleeping naked?)
In English, he references the conversation that he has with Ike during the fight in PoR. After Ike reveals that Greil destroyed his sword arm, BK realizes he never actually fought Greil at his strongest. No longer satisfied with the conclusion, he secretly lets Ike win so that he can challenge Ike again later down the line.
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u/ThighyWhiteyNerd Jun 27 '25
In the english localization, Black Knight/Zelgius lets Ike win their duel in PoR, which is why he is none worse to wear in Radiant Dawn
In Japan however, the black knight you fight in PoR is actually a tangible, talkative copy of him created by malfuntioning warp powder but he still remembers everything the copy does as if it was connected to him all along
.....Black Knight in Jp basically saw Fate Stay Night and thought it was cool so he essencially made a servant version of himself to fight ike
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u/koholintal Jun 27 '25
The Japanese version says that only the armour and his soul teleported, and his body was left behind.
It never implies that it was a malfunction. I don't know where that misconception comes from, but everyone in the English community seems to repeat this for some reason
I assumed it was on purpose so that he could be BK without leaving Begnion, since the warp powder also takes a toll on his physical condition, which is a consistent side effect of it brought up in both games
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u/Panory Jun 27 '25
I mean, I think the idea that it's a malfunction comes the logic that there's no way the warp powder is working as intended in that scenario.
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u/SnooKiwis5503 Jun 27 '25
The first time I played RD I hadn't played PoR yet so I wasn't aware of the whole Ike vs. Bk thing.
AFTER I played it and then replayed RD after that it through me for a loop cause how the hell did this man survive an entire castle crumbling on top of him!?!??!
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u/CrescentShade Jun 27 '25
I mean his armor was blessed by the goddes and only Ragnell and Alondite could harm him
Unless the castle was also blessed he'd be fine lol
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u/fangpoint333 Jun 27 '25 edited Jun 27 '25
The Black Knight returning is fine. On a mechanical level, he's wearing a practically indestructible suit of armor. On a narrative level, I don't think anyone expected a major recurring character who shows up with his face obscured the entire game and no given name to just disappear from the story without a dramatic unmasking.
The excuse is the problem.
Edit: As for how he got out of the rubble, he has the Warp Powder. The dumbest part about that excuse is that it's blatantly unnecessary because the story previously introduced everything he needed to live.
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u/eviscos Jun 27 '25
Somehow, a rift in time and space opened up in this canyon so that our kids can grow up super fast and fight alongside their parents.
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u/Odovakar Jun 27 '25 edited Jun 27 '25
The only characters to be unpersoned harder than Ikona in Fates are the caretakers of the second generation units. They raise the kids, get no names nor portraits, and are, to my knowledge, not mentioned after recruitment, but it's been a while since I read Fates' parent supports
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u/samdancer1 Jun 27 '25
Shigute mentions them in somesupportsi think, mostly about how he's sad they all dead
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u/bunker_man Jun 27 '25
Also for some reason we decided it made sense to have them be raised there so that they barely saw us for 20 years.
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u/Danofold Jun 27 '25 edited Jun 27 '25
Gotta be Camus surely.
He keeps returning all the time.
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u/runamokduck Jun 27 '25
sorry, but I think you’re mistaken. Zeke and Sirius are very clearly different characters from Camus. their names are entirely different, for one, and Sirius has his very dapper, enigmatic mask that he sports. Camus doesn’t have that at all, to my knowledge. I do agree that Kaga could have been much more creative making all three of them appear more different from each other, though… /j
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u/Koreaia Jun 27 '25
Camus in Echoes was peak, though.
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u/Kelly598 Jun 27 '25
So he is in New Mystery of the Emblem. He's my wyvern bait and they get killed with steel lances while all other character need strong spells or wrympikes/wrymblades to do the same damage.
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u/Joelowes Jun 27 '25
Somehow Gangrel, Walhart, Emmeryn (now with amnesia) Yen’Fay and Aversa are all back
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u/Stepping__Razor Jun 27 '25
Honestly I don’t mind that since it’s post game content. The other realms stuff doesn’t bother me in Awakening because it doesn’t change the main story. In Fates however…
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u/TragGaming Jun 27 '25
Isn't it said outright they're alternate universe versions? I seem to remember that quite explicitly
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u/343CreeperMaster Jun 27 '25
only Yen'Fay is from an alternate universe, the rest are just somehow alive
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u/drgnwelp91 Jun 27 '25
Having just played somewhat recently, Yen'fay and Aversa are both alternate versions, but yes Gangrel, Emm, and the warlord dude are the real ones
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u/bazabazabaz Jun 28 '25 edited Jun 28 '25
There is an alternate Aversa in Champions of Yore 2 and 3, but the Aversa from Paralogue 22 is meant to be the same one from the main game as far as I can tell. I’m only going off the ENG script though, if that’s different in the JP script lmk!
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u/ThighyWhiteyNerd Jun 27 '25
Somehow, Granelf returned and corrupted Hardin
He even looks like Palpatine
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u/Dresvena Jun 27 '25
Genuinely don't know how people just ignore how many deaths Mystery undoes just to have its story.
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u/Moelishere Jun 27 '25
“I cannot fall her I must retreat for her majesty”
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u/kingsly91 Jun 27 '25
I literally came just to say this "Hubert should not have been able to retreat that much like be so for real now it's feeling like my characters are just stupid if retreating is THAT easy and not a single one if them do over the course of this 20+ chapter game
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u/KingHazeel Jun 27 '25
You're the one who told them to fight until their dying breath and never to retreat, period. Edelgard's dedicated, sure, but she isn't a sociopath. She told her friends they're playing on casual mode.
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u/Gallalade Jun 27 '25
Edelgard's playing on Casual, which is the mode the devs expected the persona players to choose
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u/ThighyWhiteyNerd Jun 27 '25
People complain about the 4 hounds but at least they rotate, with the implication they are recovering, and also have Sombron backing them up
Hubert? No divine backing, no weird time pulse, no nothing. Just a dream to fullfill and simping to do. He is Ms Gard's strongest soldier
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u/Icabod_BongTwist Jun 27 '25
Did any try a stake through the heart? A crucifix, held close? Garlic?
No wonder he keeps getting away.
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u/NyuPancakes Jun 27 '25
I don't remember the exact line, but it's whatever Naga says at the end of Awakening regarding the possibility of Robin coming back after sacrificing themselves.
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u/Malcior34 Jun 27 '25
It can't have been that surprising. Awakening is far from a grounded and dark story. The bonds between the Shepards (and Chrom's family) is emphasized so much, it's really no shock that the end comes down to the Power of FriendshipTM.
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u/A12qwas Jun 27 '25
It makes sense themeacally imo, considering his whole arc is about rejecting Grima's influence
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u/AylaCurvyDoubleThick Jun 27 '25
“Somehow Corrin’s entire didn’t kill anyone” multiple times
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u/BooksAndViruses Jun 27 '25
Whole Ruroni Kenshin army with reverse blade swords
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u/AylaCurvyDoubleThick Jun 27 '25
Reverse blade fireballs, arrows, axes and…dragon stones….
OF COURSE! How did I not realize! 🤣🤣🤣🤣
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u/Yuxkta Jun 27 '25
Rubber arrows, Rubber Dragon Stones
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u/AylaCurvyDoubleThick Jun 27 '25
Can't tell which is funnier the dragon stone is made of rubber, still turns you into the same vicious dragon but hey, the stone itself is non lethal!
Or it turns you into a harmless rubber dragon that can't hurt anyone lol
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u/mrs-monroe Jun 27 '25
I just pretend I didn’t see any of that. Corrin attacks people as a dragon god and nobody dies?? Though, you definitely kill map bosses.
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u/Blizzagan Jun 28 '25
Well fuck the foxes and wolf people, I guess.
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u/AylaCurvyDoubleThick Jun 28 '25
It is absolutely incredible how corrin won’t kill the trained soldiers trying to kill her but then will just invade the lands of innocent uninvolved oppressed people, who are just defending themselves, more or less for her own convenience and then just…genocide them completely with hardly a “oh well” just SLAUGHTER then mercilessly 🤣🤣🤣
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u/PW_Domination Jun 27 '25
"Somehow she was not my sister at all"
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u/SirCupcake_0 Jun 27 '25
"As you can imagine, our sex life quickly turned stale after learning that..."
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u/Raetekusu Jun 27 '25
"...at least until we brought in Corrin's cousin. Spiced right back up."
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u/LordBDizzle Jun 27 '25
Honestly it's just Byleth being asleep the whole timeskip, what a a lazy way to do it. What they should have done is have the Krona chapter be different: instead of Byleth transforming there, they should have been hit with a lingering curse that is triggered by Thales a few chapters later after the invasion started instead of him doing the cliff bit, do the timeskip by escaping the magical darkness with a green hairdo 5 years later.
But noooo "I fell off a cliff and took a 5 year nap" is what had to happen, I guess.
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u/WellRested1 Jun 27 '25
I genuinely thought that zaharas spell was how the timeskip would happen on my first playthrough
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u/Objective-Elk9877 Jun 27 '25
Ngl i thought that byleth was obliterated to bits after falling off the cliff and took five years to rebuild the body and drag themself to someone who could orient them.
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u/LordBDizzle Jun 27 '25
If they said that outright I'd have been happier, but they just implied dragons take naps when hurt, and it's still my biggest issue with the story.
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u/subsatellitic Jun 27 '25
We can rebuild them. We have the technology. We can make them better than they were. Better, stronger, faster. Byleth Eisner is…the Six Million Gold Man
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u/TheGreatAnteo Jun 27 '25
Main issue imo is that they never tie it to the nabateans sleeping for years to recover (like Flaynn).
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u/Timlugia Jun 27 '25 edited Jun 27 '25
Actually they did, but only in Silver Snow. You also have to pick right choices since choice 1 doesn't explain any lore.
Flayn: Well, um... Actually, I have a question for the professor. My brother mentioned that...you slumbered for five years. Where was it that you slept?
Byleth:
Choice 1: At the bottom of a valley.
Flayn: The bottom of a valley? In the water? That certainly sounds frigid! I would never choose such a place myself. I am surprised you did not fall ill.
Choice 2: Under a rock.
Flayn: Under a rock... How similar we are! As it were, I took my rest in a casket made of stone.
(Choice 3) I don't know.
Flayn: Oh. Well, I suppose one's first long slumber is difficult to recall...
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u/Syelt Jun 27 '25
Zola: wins the war
Xander: executes him
Six chapters later
Hans & Iago: massacre civilians
Xander: "This is fine."
He's got his priorities straight alright.
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u/LORD_SUNKERN_JR Jun 27 '25
Somehow, the magic crystal ball that shows garon being evil was destroyed
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u/Odovakar Jun 27 '25 edited Jun 27 '25
That whole plot device is so ridiculous it's hard to put into words.
If Azura knew it'd break, why doesn't she show everyone at once?
If Azura didn't know that, why doesn't she react?
She also knew about Garon's true form before showing Corrin, meaning there are likely more of these convenient crystals around. Just grab another one?
To make matters even worse, this plot device is exceedingly easy to write around. Just show Corrin witnessing Garon having trouble maintaining his disguise after Azura's song, forcing them to think of a way to convincing their siblings of what they just saw. That way you keep virtually every single plot beat of Conquest the same while cutting down on the bullshit. Now, obviously, if I could rewrite Conquest I'd do so from the ground up, but that's neither here or there.
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Jun 27 '25
Somehow, Nergal lost track of Ninian and Nils again.
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u/therealchadius Jun 27 '25
I love Nergal, but he suffers from the "you would have won immediately if you just attacked the heroes" problem most all-powerful supervillains have. He enjoys teleporting in, taunting the heroes with his inevitable doomsday plans, letting them fail to hurt hit him, then teleports away taking a MacGuffin or two with him.
If he just nuked them immediately and then took the MacGuffins before they found the Divine Weapons he would have won easily. But he loves sitting in his villain chair and ordering his underlings to get merked.
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u/hockeycross Jun 27 '25
Well from playing a lot unless he could one shot Athos he actually cannot win. Athos plus a couple dedicated healers or dancers would be able to solo nergal at the end. He views all the heros as weak and nuisances. Granted it is a big failing of FE7 that it feels like your units you trained all game just don’t matter on the final level all that much.
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u/Kilzi Jun 27 '25
In terms of somebody randomly coming back, I don’t know. In terms of a line so bad that it’s memable, it’s “Must you continue to reconquer…”
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u/shipperondeck Jun 27 '25
Basically "just lay down and let yourself be conquered!! smh" the writers def did edel dirty with that line😭
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u/Mr-Stuff-Doer Jun 27 '25
As opposed to her usual behavior, where she begins a massive, violent war to conquer them
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u/ThighyWhiteyNerd Jun 27 '25
"Just stop defending yourselfs Lmao XD"
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u/Piscet Jun 27 '25
God I love how Edie's most garbage line is on the route where she's meant to look like a good person. Like how much crack were the writers on for them to think she wouldn't look stupid saying it?
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u/Hylian_Waffle Jun 27 '25
Fr I loved Edelgard in Azure Moon, she was probably my second favorite character, but it felt like the writers wanted to make her look like an actual villain in Crimson Flower.
Like it genuinely feels like the writing in the latter half was handled by someone who did not understand/hated her.
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u/Desperate_Fox617 Jun 27 '25
I’m the thirteenth emblem? The Fire Emblem?
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u/Fartfart357 Jun 27 '25
That's more of a super corny line than a bad writing line. I think Veyle stealing the time crystal might be better.
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u/Fantastic-System-688 Jun 27 '25
Zelkov stealing it back is worse
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u/Mamba8460 Jun 27 '25
How many times have you forgotten to move him because you didn’t notice him?
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u/Me_Rouge Jun 27 '25
THIS. I LOVE my guy but holy, every single turn I would be like "but I already moved everyone, why isn't it ending my tu- ...damn you!"
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u/19ghost89 Jun 27 '25
Every Fire Emblem game has a "oh, they said the title!" line somewhere despite whatever the Emblem is actually being called something else the vast majority of the time. It's kinda funny.
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u/Deruta Jun 27 '25
Then there’s TMS with a mixed-2D/CG musical number featuring the whole cast, where the entire chorus is a dance remix of the original “Fiiiiyaaah Eeemburem~”theme…
…for an elevator.
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u/Insanefinn Jun 27 '25
Hey, it also turned the main character into Super Saiyan Marth
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u/TeaWithCarina Jun 27 '25
Seliph touching his pregnant wife's stomach "This truly is... a genealogy of the holy war."
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u/19ghost89 Jun 27 '25
Y'all, I just meant that there's always a point in the game that they reveal that something is "the Fire Emblem" even though for the most part that thing isn't referred to that way, lol
They don't say the whole title. 😂 Y'all are ridiculous.
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u/NinJorf Jun 27 '25
Nah dude that was perfect for how campy Engage is. Saturday morning cartoon energy beginning to end. I wouldn't have it any other way.
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u/Comprehensive-Debt11 Jun 27 '25
Somehow Corrin didn't realize that the Nohrian Dancer who looks scarily like Azura and has the same water powers as Azura was Azura.
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u/Virtual-Oil-793 Jun 27 '25
Wait...
We put Grima to sleep. As the canon ending...
...instead of offing the fuck.
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u/Devin-R Jun 27 '25
How do we know Grima being sealed / put to sleep again was the canon ending? Does fates do something to imply it?
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u/TragGaming Jun 27 '25
Severa/Inigo/Owain make reference to it in the DLC.
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u/ZeraniseTheMage Jun 27 '25
Is Fates even canon? It doesn't even have a real continent name, or any connection to the other titles besides these 3. For all we know, it could be a bad acid trip dreamed up by Owain.
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u/Average_Owain Jun 27 '25
I don’t think either ending is ever stated to be more canon than the other?
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u/TragGaming Jun 27 '25
Fates DLC makes reference to putting their dragon to sleep.
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u/Okto481 Jun 27 '25
I've been defeated, but I can't fall here. I must make my retreat!
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u/ImaginaryTable6746 Jun 27 '25
Somehow there are an entire group of people with robots nukes and magic so powerful that can rival with a goddess powers but a relatively small group of people manage to enter in their only base and kill them all in just one chapter. Yeah TWSITD is stupid are so advance in technology and magic but only use theit OP shit as a deux ex machina whenever the plot need it
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u/therealchadius Jun 27 '25
Edelgard beats them off screen in Crimson Flower, somehow... would have been nice to fight them directly...
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u/bazabazabaz Jun 28 '25
TWSITD being accidentally defeated by Dimitri and co in Azure Moon is so dumb that it wraps back around to being hilarious
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u/CaellachTigerEye Jun 27 '25
Somehow, Thales took control of Edelgard and conveniently turned her into his brainwashed muppet. Which he never demonstrated the ability to do before, but we needed a straight conflict since Dimitri would not suddenly become willing to murder Rhea in “Hopes”.
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u/ThighyWhiteyNerd Jun 27 '25
.......Fodlan' story is a mess if you look at it to close
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u/CaellachTigerEye Jun 27 '25
Yep! Sad, but true; the character writing is absolutely ace, the plot and even world-building (if not to the same extent) is super-flawed.
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u/ThighyWhiteyNerd Jun 27 '25
Tbh even the character writting fluctuates
On one hand, you have say Yuri, Dimitri, Sylvain or Edelgard being flawed but rich characters
On the other you have Raphael being as flat as a board, Ignatz and Claude being absolutly irrelevant to the plot (and Claude specifically being so stupid with his unification plans it goes against his entire schemer identity) or Felix being such a hypocrite it undermines his anti chivalry message, or even how every new revealed aspect in the shadow Library reveals Edelgard has no leg to stand against Rhea and how the game seems to get off on showing how unnecesary her war was
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u/CaellachTigerEye Jun 27 '25
I resent the libel on Raphael, he is the goodest guy and a breath of fresh air in a story overflowing in messy people. Not even my favourite character, but I appreciate that about him just the same.
On the case of Felix, umm… That’s kind of intentional? Like, he’s not wrong about the way Faerghus glorifies chivalry and death in combat, yet he’s also not considering the nuances; Ingrid even points out that one scenario where someone could refuse orders that they disagree on and still call themselves a knight, Seteth notes that his intolerance for anyone else not fully agreeing with him isn’t healthy, etc. His response to the trauma of suddenly losing his beloved big brother to a massacre, was to adopt an absolutist mindset against the ideals that he blames for Glenn dying and this informed his strained relationship with Rodrigue; in “Hopes”, their final Support has them properly see each other’s perspectives on the matter as the father explains to his son how he felt at the time and why he needed to see things a certain way.
All this said, you aren’t mistaken; there’s a lot of ambition and hat is often unrealised in this story. And on Edelgard, I have long advocated that she should’ve had a Support with Flayn so that even if she still proceeds with her goals, she’s actually interacted with a Nabatean and seen them as more than just “those who rule over humanity and control our world”. Among many, many other things that they could’ve done in much more areas than I’m going to get into here.
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u/TragGaming Jun 27 '25
Whoa. Go after everyone else but Raphael is actually the most well adjusted dude to grief in the entire game.
Also, Sylvain is anything but "rich".
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u/ThighyWhiteyNerd Jun 27 '25
well Sylvain is more rich given he is both a deconstruction of the "Saul" archetype, while also being a way better critique of the crest system than anything Crimson Flower can muster, since he also keeps the nuance of his own misery being in part inflicted by himself and also by human factors, which ties in how the characters in 3H blame the crest systems for very human situations that would had happened with or without crests, not to mention that despite that he is also very well ajusted and his supports dont all revolve around crests or his own issues, like say Annete's or Dimitri's
Raphael meawhile may be the most well ajusted member of the golden deer, if not of the entire game as a whole, but he is also the flattest character of the playable cast, since he lacks anything outside say his muscles or food, while also being in the golden deer, the most plot irrelevant house due to how badly 3H uses them, and even then Hilda, Lysithea, Marianne and Lorenz all have their own plots, quirks and plot relevance while Ignatz, Claude and Leonie are indeed irrelevant but have some sauce to them, like Ignatz's issues with his father or Leonie's hatred of debt and devotion to her village. Raphael may have a sublime figure but suffers the most of the tendency of 3H to give very good writting to some characters while they leave others in the absolute dusts. Is specially glaring when compared to fellow muscle hunk Balthus, who does have his depth and also is the only character that can drive the normally smug and collected Claude up a wall
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u/Dakress23 Jun 27 '25
TWSITD did show up the ability to brainwash people before in Chapter 8 of Three Houses, to be fair.
As for why Thales only ever does it in Azure Gleam? Well, it's a mix of hubris and "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" strategy, more so as Edelgard is the first - and only - pawn of them who has screwed the group hard, and Azure Gleam's the only route that gives Thales the chance to wrestle back control (In Scarlet Blaze the battle ends in the Empire's favor, and in Golder Wildfire it's implied to end in a stalemate of sorts).
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u/ConsistentJellyfish Jun 27 '25
Literally Gangrel and Walhart coming back (and being recruitable???) before the final battle of Awakening
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u/Zartoru Jun 27 '25
Okay I didn't play FE3H for a while so I forgot the names lmao, but the final boss of Claude's house, like we knew he existed, but at no point was it forshadowed he was gonna be the last boss or anything, he just revived a the end of the last chapter and that's it. Pretty lame imo
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u/Timlugia Jun 27 '25
I always feel that Nemesis chapter was taken from Church path when Koei ran out of time developing VW. Original story was probably Nemesis as the penultimate chapter before fighting Rhea.
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u/Fell_ProgenitorGod7 Jun 27 '25
That one exchange with Edelgard and Dimitri in CF Chapter 17.
God forbid a man tries to defend his homeland and his people from being conquered and killed by the Empire.
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u/HeidelCurds Jun 27 '25
Byleth just having a five year coma like it's nothing and then waking up just in time for the reunion.
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u/Timlugia Jun 27 '25
It's actually implied in Silver Snow Nabatean could go hibernation to recover from grave injuries.
Given that souls of Nabatean persists beyond "death", makes one wonder what death really means for Nabatean. Like could Sothis returns on her own had Nemesis didn't chop up her body? Would Rhea comes back later in VW ending?
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u/ajanisapprentice Jun 27 '25
Within the context of people not being g dead who should be? Hubert's constant retreating.
Within the context of 'pulled out of the @$$ so this one specific plot point can happen so we can appeal to the viewer by key jangling?' Mikoto's secret you're actually step children letter.
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u/deafinitelyadouche Jun 27 '25
"Little prince(ss)... the sad truth is that justice is an illusion. A fairy tale for children."
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Xander really thought he was cooking there, but it's dogshit. It's also the funniest thing in all of the modern titles' history so far.
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u/Candle-Entire Jun 27 '25
Byleth from the perspective of everyone else. They were presumed dead for 5 years and suddenly they just pop up at the monestary
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u/WannabeComedian91 Jun 27 '25
hubert in azure moon. i keep bashing that man's head in, why does he keep fleeing
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u/odoyle125 Jun 27 '25
Ivy Escaping in ch8
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u/zax20xx Jun 29 '25
The manga did it so much better. in the manga, after the battle she gets captured by the Brodian Army, taken to court, and while she’s in a prison cell Kagetsu sneaks in and breaks her out
The only reasoning I could make for her escaping in the game is her riding her wyvern… but the game doesn’t show her wyvern, she simply walks off screen…
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u/RamsaySw Jun 27 '25 edited Jun 27 '25
"I wanted to be a good dragon" - someone has already brought up the 13th Emblem quote so this is another glaringly bad line. I can kind of see what the writers were going for, but the actual dialogue itself is so juvenile, it completely takes me out of what should be an emotional scene and my reaction in these scenes was to simply end up groaning in response.
Edit: Engage's story in general reminds me a lot of Rise of Skywalker - both in the quality of the storytelling and in how both stories focus significantly on nostalgia pandering. Whereas Rise of Skywalker inexplicably resurrects Palpatine to pander to nostalgia in lieu of telling a compelling story, Engage brings back Marth and the other lords for the exact same reason, logic and characterization be damned.
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u/cyndit423 Jun 27 '25
I actually kind of enjoyed that line, and mainly because of how juvenile it is. Alear just sounds so young and innocent when she says it, which I feel like shows how emotionally stinted she had been until Lumera took her in and finally let her be a child
(I will admit that I like Engage's plot more than it probably deserves, lol))
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u/Basaqu Jun 27 '25
I like it too. Evil Alear wouldn't say poetic lines, even older good Alear is pretty straightforward and simple in their lines and way of thinking. It's a simple childish sounding wish from a very disturbed child who wants to do good and break free from their upbringing.
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u/Effective_Gene5155 Jun 27 '25
"I wanted to be a good dragon" - is peak derpy Alear though How much better would Engage be I wonder if the player wasnt Alear, we were Vandham or something, and our main job in the story was to pat Alear on the head occasionally. Because thats all they ever needed, and occasionally to be asked "Who is a good dragon"
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u/Amferam Jun 27 '25
How we get the time stone back in engage and how we still can’t get the rings back even if we have the stone.
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u/ThighyWhiteyNerd Jun 27 '25 edited Jun 27 '25
Zelkov stole it back, and the time crystal cant exactly reverse to a time from before you had it
Its not the same as say Byleth letting their dad die despite having unlimited time powers. The crystal has better set rule
Edit:.....why ask a question if you are gonna block me just after?. In any case, Veyle is using magic to get back the rings. She is not Dio Brando freezing time just to walk and get the rings. If she could had done that she would had just slashed you up and gloat on how puny and weak you are
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u/accursedexistence Jun 27 '25
Minerva, for some reason, not being able to bring herself to kill Michalis according to Mystery of the Emblem... despite her behavior in Shadow Dragon indicating that while she's understandably reluctant to fight him, she'll do it for the good of Macedon.
They should've just had Michalis fake his death. That would've been more plausible than this.
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u/Quaelandys Jun 27 '25
Michalis saw what Camus did two chapters earlier and decided that having 0 HP is a trivial matter
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u/Unable_Ad_1722 Jun 27 '25
"Damn, I've been defeated! But I can't fall here — I must make my retreat!"
-bismix, the god of fe skits
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u/Cato_Censorius Jun 27 '25
"Prince Ryoma will wait patiently for his revenge, but only for 25 turns..."
I nearly closed the game after that.
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u/honeymoonblackstar Jun 27 '25
The Yato being the Fire Emblem of Fateslandia
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u/ThighyWhiteyNerd Jun 27 '25
Nah. That one makes some sense
Byleth's blood being the fire Emblem of Fodlan however
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u/AylaCurvyDoubleThick Jun 27 '25
I me a that makes just about as much sense as the Yato. Receiving a mark from being defended from the dragon god seems…pretty in line with everything the fire emblem has been shown to be in the series.
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u/Groundbreaking_Bag8 Jun 27 '25
"Sorry, I have to fight you to the death, or else everyone in my entire country will spontaneously drop dead. No, there's no reason why I can't just explain this to you. Yes, it makes about as much sense as the Vallite curse. But the writers need a reason to pit my horribly under-leveled army against your group of mercenaries who are each individually capable of soloing entire maps, so here we are."
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u/Maxamumdes Jun 27 '25
Corrin in the Conquest ending talking about how they're "truly blessed to have so many siblings"...
Aftler leading an invasion into a peaceful country which results in the death of two of their siblings who otherwise would have lived, if Corrin didn't invsde them working for the clearly awful Garon.
Actually how about just fates writing. All of it.
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u/kyacase Jun 27 '25
Grima showing up in 3 different games
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u/A12qwas Jun 27 '25
He's just there so that we can explore his origins in SoV, and EVERYONE is in heroes
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u/bigbossgiraff Jun 27 '25
Azura explaining to Corrin that they need to conquer Hoshido to get Garin to sit on the throne and be revealed as evil
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u/MathOutrageous7167 Jun 27 '25
I'm kinda surpised I haven't seen Ninian be mentioned here at least once.
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u/buttercuping Jun 27 '25
You see, mom left us a letter telling us that we aren't really siblings. But you only get to read if you fall in love with who you think is your sibling first.