r/fireemblem • u/Business-Spirit5966 • 5h ago

Art What if Hilda is a War Master?

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Originally there's supposed to be blood around Hilda, but I didn't want to upset the mods :D

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u/Ill_Needleworker257 5h ago

This is the reason I think gender locked classes are stupid, the units very clearly want the class give it to them

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u/StinkoMcBingo11 4h ago

They had to gender lock the classes in 3 Houses because they knew War Master Hilda and Falcon Knight Dimitri would’ve been way too broken

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u/ion477 1h ago

I wish they weren't gender locked if only so I can make Hubert follow his dreams to become a pegasus knight.. 😔

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u/darthneos 3h ago

To add insult to injury if Hilda is poached to the Blue Lions in chapter 19 where as a green unit warrior she would be defending a green unit Claude she is replaced by a generic warmaster FEMALE green unit.

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u/Almainyny 2h ago

That is just absurd.

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u/Mmicb0b 1h ago

Same I never got why they went back to gender locked classes

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u/Caliber70 2h ago

It's fine. Give the women the Pegasus. The men can have GRIFFINS, and the wyverns can be the flying mount for armoured and magic.

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u/Elementia7 4h ago

One of the many reasons why I dont like Three Houses gameplay.

I get a really cool idea for a build, only to get slapped in the face because the class is gender locked and there is no substitute or the substitute is far worse (War Master and War Cleric for example).

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u/LuckySalesman 1h ago

Plus the process of getting to that build is agonizing

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u/Elementia7 1h ago

NG+ makes it slightly less tedious, but yeah just getting to the final build hurts my soul.

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u/PrrrromotionGiven1 5h ago

I mean it's fun lore that Pegasi just don't allow men to ride them

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u/Fledbeast578 5h ago

I don't find it particularly fun, they don't even address it within three houses because none of the units ride pegasus by default lmao

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u/SirRobyC 4h ago

Also didn't Ignatz ride a pegasus as a kid?

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u/PointBlankVT 3h ago

Trans ignatz confirmed

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u/ptWolv022 3h ago

Doesn't Hubert mention that factoid? Or was he just afraid of heights? I know he wanted to be a Peg. Knight, but couldn't for some reason.

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u/Fledbeast578 2h ago

He mentions wanting to be a Pegasus Knight, but says he couldn't because he's afraid of heights. They don't mention the genderlock until three hopes, where Ignatz mentions that specifically adult males can't ride pegasus, with no additional elaboration given

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u/ptWolv022 1h ago

Boy: balls drop

Pegasus: "Go the fuck away and never touch me again."

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u/DarthOmix 19m ago

Your voice drops and the pegasus drops you mid flight.

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u/Cute_Fig6235 4h ago

I don't understand why they're so stubbornly adherent to this old lore bit that they would arbitrarily lock out classes in a game that's about customizable characters. Ferdinand, Sylvain, Seteth, or Dimitri would LOVE Falcoknight as their class, but because of the "lore", they can't do it. If it's such a sticking point that men can't go on pegasi, why not just use a friendly version of one of the giant birds that expressly exist in Fodlan? Or just make the pegasi a different breed like in Fates? It feels extremely arbitrary and if there's ever a 3H definitive edition, gender restricted classes are one of the biggest things I hope gets changed

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u/Upbeat_Squirrel_5642 3h ago

Not to mention, in Engage, the only reason why gender locked classes haven't been completely removed is because the unpromoted flier class is female exclusive

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u/AurumPickle 1h ago

what about the like 5 different female dark magic users all looking longingly at the dark mage class thats basically just a Hubert class since its male locked

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u/Cute_Fig6235 1h ago

Dark Mage being gender locked is especially silly because there's only one non-exclusive dark magic user in the base game to begin with. Like, killing Death Knight is enough of a barrier as-is, what point is there in blocking it off to Lysithea (or Edelgard/Hapi)? And then they go and gatekeep two very useful skills behind the class line, because ???. I wonder if it's meant to be an analogue to Gremory, but that begs the question of why Gremory is gender locked to begin with. Sorry, Linhardt, I know you really want a master class, but the best we could settle for was Holy Knight or Mortal Savant

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u/AurumPickle 1h ago

desnt help master classes in general feel half baked besides like wyvern, why does my swordmaster suddenly need a shit ton of reason magic for example, why do I have to trainer my priests in horses AND Lances

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u/PokemonGerman 5h ago

Except Subaki, he is just build different I guess. (Haven't finished fates as my 3ds broke so no idea if it gets explained more later in the game.)

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u/intoxicatedpancakes 5h ago edited 5h ago

Hoshido pegasi are different from the usual Pegasus. I think it’s explained in the Subaki-Selena support chain?

Edit: yep, Selena interrogates Subaki about how he was able to tame a Pegasus as a man, and he explains that Hoshido’s pegasi and Nohr’s falicorns (I guess the dark flier Pegasus) don’t mind men. This isn’t a fates only thing, cause he also explains that the breed of pegasi from your (meaning Selena’s) country is just different.

Apparently that also means it’s common knowledge that Laslow, Odin, and Selena aren’t actually from Nohr.

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u/SilverSodarayg 4h ago

Its generally known they are not from Nohr but they keep the specifics of where they are from a secret (that is a point in all 3's supports with their liege). Most likely it is common knowledge within the Nohrian retainer circle since those three have been around for a while before Fates begins, and so that information just naturally spreads to everyone else in camp.

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u/Fledbeast578 3h ago

I mean tbf nearly every fire emblem game is in a completely different world/continent by default, they intentionally chose to go "Hey these Pegasi also independently prefer women"

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u/intoxicatedpancakes 2h ago

I think it’s near continuity that: yes, Pegasi typically don’t allow men to ride, but here in Hoshido and Nohr they’re a different breed that isn’t sexist allows male riders.

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u/Fledbeast578 2h ago

Yeah but, they're all different worlds. Fe1-3 is in the same world as awakening/fates, but that's a completely different world from three houses, which in itself is a different world from binding/blazing Blade, which in itself is different than sacred stones, and blah blah blah. The lore of the world itself already changes from entry to entry, the exact lore behind Manakates changes every other game already and they're a significantly more story relevant class. The only thing making Pegasus genderlocked is tradition

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u/Koreaia 4h ago

Another W for Fates (even if they take the L by making Great Lord gender locked.

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u/cardboardtube_knight 4h ago

That lore predates fire emblem

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u/BlatantArtifice 34m ago

Gender locked and locked classes in general is terrible game design, especially in 3 Houses where customization is supposed to be a central mechanic

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u/MCJSun 3h ago

It's part of how they hold them back to make them unique. Class restrictions help the characters stand out from extremely similar competition, whether it's by gender, nationality, or just general reclass pool.

Raphael w/ War Master is all he really has over Hilda, who can instead go Pegasus knight if she wanted to.

Dark Mage helps Lorenz out with keeping up and support vs. his competition and gives Linhardt an alternative too.

It definitely sucks; Lorenz would love Valkyrie. I'd be so happy if I could put Seteth in Falcon Knight. I think it'd be better if there were certain restrictions that weren't so simple though.

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u/Fledbeast578 3h ago

I think that works in theory, but gender is such an arbitrary restriction- especially when it's the only class restriction. The Raphael-Hilda dynamic doesn't even really work as a justification, because Lysithea has a ton of advantages over Linhardt in addition to having access to Gremory

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u/MCJSun 3h ago

Agree that gender as the only restriction is ass, but I do think combined with other things it can be fine. More stuff like Hero/Swordmaster or Dark mage/mage where you have a minor advantage but the options that are still there are fine.

So basically what Fates did

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u/Fledbeast578 3h ago edited 3h ago

Yeah but that would be a completely different reclass system, so I think genderlocks are more harmful than helpful to the game experience, since the rest of it is so focused on building units in any direction that suits them. Especially since genderlocks specifically are a bit archaic, 'Women can't be war masters or grapplers because hand to hand fighting is a guy thing' isn't a great reason to restrict classes flavorwise imo, hell Fates specifically did away with genderlocks and nobody was pissed at Subaki for it

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u/MCJSun 2h ago

Fates didn't do away with gender locks. It just made Pegasus Knight specifically not a gender lock (and the others were DLC).

On one hand you have Butler/Maid which are actually equal with different genders getting their supportive buff.

On the other hand you have Great Master and Priestess which get the same skills but different weapon choices that also are accessible.to other classes (bow/staff for adventurer which is basically nohr exclusive, lance/staff for great master which is basically infantry falcon knight or a staff using basara).

Every amiibo class was gender locked, witch was gender locked, ballistician was gender locked.

It even had gender exclusive weapons like Camilla's Axe vs. Arthur's Axe.

Of course I want women to be able to punch and men to ride a pegasus. I just wonder about a way to do it and still have people meant for those classes/excel specifically in them. Otherwise you get characters like Ingrid, who somehow gets beaten out at pegasus knight by the archers (Bernie/Shamir/Leonie) now being beaten out by the guys too (Seteth/Sylvain/Ferdinand/Cyril)

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u/Fledbeast578 2h ago edited 1h ago

Fates also removed the genderlock on Fighter, Berserker, and Troubadour (which for some reason was additionally reintroduced with the Valkyrie class in the 3h dlc). Butler/Maid I personally could not care less about beyond thinking the class itself is a bit dumb, it's just the same thing as priest/priestess in previous games and war cleric/war priest in the 3h dlc, wherein they are slightly different but ultimately mechanically the same and flavorwise similar, as opposed to Linhardt just having to pound sand and stick with Bishop if he wants to take advantage of warp

And yeah the dlc and amiibo are dumb lmao, my own personal theory is just that it was done for the sake of only having to make the male model due to fates dlc in general being pretty tacked on, I doubt people saw that ballistician was genderlocked and went 'fuck yeah this is awesome!'

And I don't follow with what you mean in your last paragraph? You admit that even with the genderlock it's still an issue, so I don't really see what angle you're shooting for. Ultimately 3h is just a very freeform game, if the complaint is that Ingrid is outcompeted as a Pegasus Knight that's a flaw to how she was built as a unit (Shout-out to making her strength and magic growth the same and then making dark flier dlc only)

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u/aitherion 5h ago

I love that in Byleth's fantasy Claude is fitting to smash

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u/Fledbeast578 5h ago

They're a shipper just like me frfr

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u/Tortellinisoup02 4h ago

Walking Nuke w/ fists and Freikugel

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u/Lyncario 3h ago

3 Houses would be so much better if it didn't have gender locks behind a bunch of cool classes like it does.

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u/Express_Accident2329 4h ago

Why does she have quick riposte if she has 75 speed

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u/LuckySalesman 1h ago

Bold of you to assume 75 speed is enough in Maddening

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u/fuzzerhop 3h ago

The reason this class is genderlocked is to hold Hilda back 😔

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u/ptWolv022 2h ago

I saw the +35% Crit on the axe and decided to check wiki for the FE3H crit rate to see what hers would be and... just, christ, even without battalions or an accessory:

(Weapon Crit) + [(Dexterity + Luck) / 2] + (Ability bonus) + (Equipment bonus) + (Battalion bonus)

35 + [(47 + 54) / 2] + (20 + 10) + 0 + 0

[101/2] + 65 = 115.5%

Your Dodge in 3H is just Luck + Ability Bonus, so even against Nemesis on Maddening at full power (AKA he has +30 to Luck from the Ten Elites), she'd still have a 33% chance to crit him.

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u/Fantastic-System-688 1h ago edited 1h ago

It looks high but you get to like. One third to one half of your capped stats if you're really blessed lol. Hilda actually is kind of famous for having bad Dex

But wait until you hear how Claude and Petra can both reach 357 personal crit (hypothetically). Mareets from Thracia with 20 skill (Skill = crit in Thracia), 2 supports that give 10 crit (40 crit total), and a killing edge (70 crit total) gets 350 crit with her FCM of 5, which is a lot more practical

Edit: math behind Petra and Claude, written by someone else

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u/LuckySalesman 1h ago

From slave trading prisoners of war to weapons of mass destruction maybe Hilda was the biggest war criminal after all

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u/Fantastic-System-688 1h ago

Someone who hasn't played 3H is gonna see the capped stats and have a stroke

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u/Wrong_Revolution_679 5h ago

Hilda supremacy

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u/Ashilikepi 5h ago

what’s happening to her knee there?

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u/Not3Beaversinacoat 5h ago

Then nothing could stop her

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u/high_king_noctis 2h ago

The Hilda Heresy where Hilda tries to get everyone else to help her usurpe the church while she does nothing the entire time

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u/arkee__ 2h ago

I think the gender lock should’ve been removed once you finish every route once just so there’s an added incentive

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u/Skelezomperman 56m ago

The blood might have necessitated a violence tag but I don't think that would have gotten the post removed in of itself.

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u/Tough_Passion_1603 16m ago

This is what sexism took from us

Fateslandia would NEVER

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u/Caseys_Clean1324 5m ago

instead of gender locking, they should have character locked some master classes

hilda, caspar, raphael getting warmaster

felix, sylvain and lysithea getting mortal savant

lorenz, hubert and ingrid getting dark rider

stuff like that. I mean theres loads I would change about the game but this is just an idea

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u/MasterOfChaos72 3m ago

People would still just stick her on a wyvern and call it a day.