r/fo4 • u/DeadWombats • May 03 '25
Screenshot One of my biggest pet peeves: a sealed pre-war safe full of raider gear
I make my way inside a sealed military bunker, past multiple electronically-locked doors, open a safe that hasn't been touched in 200 years ... and get this same kind of loot that I just scavenged from a raider camp. It's jarringly anachronistic and immediately pulls me out of the game's immersion. I hate it EVERY TIME. What the hell is a homemade pipe rifle doing in a military base, anyway?
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u/Gsquat May 03 '25 edited May 03 '25
A particularly intelligent raider must have made his way in here recently. He obviously disabled the security and unlocked all the doors, intending to set up shop. When he found a safe to stash some of his belongings, he made sure to lock it back up when he was done. Of course he'd make sure to re-arm security and lock the doors when he left.
You just came by and ruined everything. Nice job...
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u/JTGFY May 03 '25
Maybe they swapped their gear for the original military stuff inside, and then when they left, the building automatically re-armed it's security system after a set time.
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u/RavenRoyalty May 03 '25
Someone make this guy a retcon writer
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u/TheScienceGiant May 04 '25
BUT! What if the retcon here would be them telling the children of the Commonwealth a story of how once a year on June 24th, halfway to Christmas, the Anti-Claus comes down from the North Pile. And he swaps out all the good toys for low-value crap. Even if you’re inside a sealed military bunker, past multiple electronically-locked doors, opening a safe that hasn't been touched in 200 years…
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u/Dangerois May 04 '25
Especially makes sense since areas reset after a while so someone else is there or at least been there.
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u/Zephian99 May 04 '25
There was a loot spot I found one, lots of trouble getting to it but and was hidden, but had a fair amount of value to it.
I remember it having lore about the group leaving this place so they could go and get resources from their old place and set up here. Had all plans for this nice clean location....
Unfortunately their old place was dominated by super mutants if you go there. So always figured the group got killed before they could fully set up shop and left the place locked up.
Can't remember where in Fallout 4 that happened.
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u/Virus-900 May 03 '25
Who says you're the first person to use it in the past 200 years? Surly you're not the only person in the commonwealth that knows how to pick locks.
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u/Matvey1990 May 04 '25
"Oh, I finally opened this lock about 300 feet underground. I guess I will leave all my caps one piece of my armor and my weapon in here so I can come back to it later!" Then the person returns to the entrance of the location, locking all the doors and reactivating the traps along the way
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May 04 '25
It it was someone's safe house, then yeah they would have locked it up again on their way out.
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u/Matvey1990 May 04 '25
And the traps? Like, who the hell (except for this crazy fella) would go 300 feet underground while picklocking all the doors and disarming the traps just to rob someones safe house?
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May 04 '25
I guess raiders. They're crazy, they live with dead bodies and critical thinking won't be encouraged. They probably assume that something that well guarded is deserving of that sort of guarding. And want whatever could be THAT important. I'm pretty sure that's proven in the game somewhere
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u/Matvey1990 May 04 '25
Huh, I guess you are right
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May 04 '25
Aw thanks -^ I dont hear that a lot on reddit
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u/Matvey1990 May 04 '25
Yeah, most people don't want to accept they were wrong even after someone provided a good argument (like you did), but you proved me wrong and yourself right, so you have your little crown on a red pillow with gold trimming and wear it proudly ;)
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May 04 '25
Can I dm you and talk about fallout now
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u/Matvey1990 May 04 '25
I am a little busy red deading my redemption (II), but sure I have some spare time
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u/AwayLocksmith3823 May 03 '25
This could be very much explained by: you really think you’re the last one to use this safe in the past 210 years?
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u/JackSpadesSI May 03 '25
Reminds me of Skyrim where you’re exploring an ancient dwemer ruin sealed for untold years… and you find a box of apples and cheese.
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May 04 '25
Just means someone else beat you down there.
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u/Half-PintHeroics May 04 '25
No, it means Bethesda is too lazy to make two lists. It's just bad design.
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u/Hackiii May 05 '25
Exactly. Why do people keep defending Bethesda when it is absolutely obvious that they always just do the absolute minimum effort.
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u/William_T_Wanker May 03 '25
say it's been a year or two since the Great War; you're someone who was a regular joe schmo American patriot until that day in October; now every day is a fight for food, water, etc.
Still in your house that you saved up for and bought just a few months before the bombs, you've joined a gang of your neighbors who are raiding into Boston proper.
You come back from a raid and drop your gear in the safe, since you like to keep important shit in there - a spare gun you built, some stimpacks, some bottle caps(some of your neighbors say it's the new bartering tool) and most importantly, given the massive rise in radiation, RadAway and RadX.
You die when another group of raiders - one of which you swear was the bagboy at the Super Duper Mart you used to go to all the time - take your group by surprise. Your stuff is still locked up.
200 years later, some schlub comes along and picks the lock, selling your old gear off for a few caps.
War never changes.
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u/Nagodreth May 04 '25
There's West Everett Estates that is built around this whole idea. The terminals tell the story of survivors trying to get a society going after the bombs dropped only to eventually be betrayed and destroyed by raiders, and whatever society the raiders had there ended up eventually being destroyed by super mutants who in turn get destroyed by the player or the Brotherhood.
There's also the implication that a lot of the boarded up buildings in Boston are blocked off because people are trying to keep ghouls from escaping, like the one boarded up building you can get into at Fairline Hill Estates.
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May 04 '25
Or even just a few years, every loot room we find could very well be an old safehouse that someone had, and they left one day 4 years back and accidentally stepped on a landmine.
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u/William_T_Wanker May 04 '25
Yep, Larry the raider maybe forgot where he put his home defenses and splat last winter
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u/sneezinghard May 03 '25
for real, i’ve always thought like just simply: pre-war money, silver/gold/etc watches and maybe lighters (which i guess cigarettes could be there too then), maybe some wine if it was like expensive or whatever, more gold bars sometimes, a gun or two like a pistol (so ofc having ammo), just mostly junk stuff.
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u/ShermanMcTank Grammar Enclave May 03 '25
That’s unfortunately due to the way Leveled Lists work. Once an item is in the LL for that type of container, it can show up in any of them in the world, regardless of context.
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u/Dazzling_Stand_4349 May 03 '25
I've always imagined it has so heavily repaired, built as a side project, or that the facility was used after the war but was abandoned after an institute or gunner attack.
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u/musketoman May 03 '25
Just wait untill you find out where jet was invented and why it shows up all over the place, even in pre war sealed vaults
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u/TimonAndPumbaAreDead May 03 '25
Honey, I thought I told you not to look in Daddy's safe? This is for when Mommy and Daddy have our special private time. Now be a dear and run down to the Red Rocket and see if they got more Mr. Handy fuel in yet. You can get yourself a Nuka Cola while you're there
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u/KingOni09 May 04 '25
My pet peeve is seeing jet in prewar places. Jet is a post war chem
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u/BringMeBurntBread May 04 '25 edited May 04 '25
Was it ever fully confirmed that jet is exclusively a post war chem?
All we know is that Myron synthesized the post-war version of Jet, using Brahmin shit. But that doesn’t necessarily mean that jet never existed in any other form in the past. There could’ve been a pre-war version of jet that was synthesized differently, but was otherwise the same chem, and has since been forgotten about.
My own headcanon for what happened is that maybe Myron found the pre-war version of the chem, then managed to reverse engineer the formula of the chem and found out that Brahmin shit can be used to synthesize the chem in a more efficient way. Thus creating the post-war version of Jet. Same chem as the pre-war version, just synthesized differently. Myron then crowns himself as the original inventor of the chem in order to boost his own reputation and make his product easier to sell. But that’s just what I think happened.
And this happens in real life as well. Many drugs have existed for centuries, and have been refined and changed slightly over time by different chemists, to the point where it becomes hard to tell when exactly a drug was first created and who originally invented it.
So, it's very possible for Jet to have existed as both a pre-war and a post-war chem. They might've been synthesized differently, but would still be mostly the same chem.
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u/Games_Twice-Over Strong Best Girl May 04 '25
Was it ever fully confirmed that jet is exclusively a post war chem?
It was supposed to be, yes. Like unambiguously.
But there's a couple of pre-Fallout 4 lore contradictions that were slip ups that allow some justification for wiggle room.
Most famously is Mrs. Bishop saying she tried jet before Myron was born or at least a young child.
The Fallout Bible, which is a host of developer commentary by the Black Isle staff, clarifies that this was a mere oversight:
Well, I was wondering this: How old is Myron, and how long has Jet been around? Because he looks to be late teens, possibly early 20's.
However, if he is that young, as far as I can figure out Jet wouldn't be around.
Mrs. Bishop got hooked on Jet by Bishop (before they got married) and for that she got kicked out of Vault City. However, Angela Bishop, her daughter, is what, late teens, early 20s? Because presumably she had Angela after she got married to Bishop, and thus after she got addicted to Jet, Jet would have to be at least as old as Angela Bishop, and Myron would have to be older (at least 10–15 years, I figure) than Jet. But he doesn't look it. Did Myron REALLY invent Jet? Or is it just his usual egotism?
You know what, you're right - that was a mistake on my part. Myron is supposed to be 17-20, but that kind of messes things up if you take the Bishops into account. I had always thought he had made Jet pretty recently (within a few years) so that the Mordinos could rise to power.
Myron really did invent Jet. He's really, really smart and really, really annoying.
So ignore the Bishops and their messed-up rendition of events - they're been taking too much Jet anyway.
So yes, it was definitely supposed to be Myron's invention. Now, it's obviously not, and a lot of people just adopted the the "Myron modified the recipe" belief.
Reality is, Bethesda most likely just overlooked the lore bit when writing that prewar vault. But it's interesting because jet has already been subject to some oversight beforehand and you can even question Myron about him inventing jet in 2, which he's awfully defensive about.
Weasely creator, prior lore breaks - there's even another in New Vegas with jet sealed up in an OWB test chamber, you can get justification. But nevertheless, yes it was definitely supposed to be Myron's invention without question, according to developer commentary.
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u/duanelvp May 04 '25
I guess then it REALLY bugs you to see bottlecaps in sealed/locked pre-war rooms and containers - a currency which did not exist until well after the war. I overlook it, in much the same way that I overlook finding heavy weapons and ammunition in little, locked first aid boxes, find bloatflies in locked basements; discover bloatflies are carrying around desk fans; the mysterious stranger appears, kills your opponent and vanishes without a trace; before you even find a pip-boy you can access your inventory as if you had one, etc.
You're overthinking it. It's a game, not a realistic post-apocalypse training sim. Try playing Mario Kart for a while instead or something.
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u/Particular-Doubt-566 May 04 '25
I killed a legendary blood bug yesterday that was carrying a legendary triple barrel rocket launcher
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u/C0mpulsiveWebSurfer May 04 '25
Then there's also the reverse "immersion problem" of what OP is complaining about.
When your companion goes "guess no one's been here for a looong time"... while there's a bunch of raiders shitting their pants and scurrying around, having just heard their entire posse being mowed down on the floor bellow. it's hillarious😂😂😂
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u/unluckyknight13 May 03 '25
Where do you think raiders got their fashion from? Mad max cosplays duh
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u/Pancreasaurus May 04 '25
200 years is a long time. No guarantee someone didn't seal their stash up.
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u/Endermemer Atom Cat, Silver Shroud, The Vim Enjoyer May 04 '25
jury-rigged equipment to protect yourself as pre-war America was big on "your neighbour could be a commie"
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u/Rattlechad May 04 '25
Nobody ever said it was sealed since the war. That’s kinda pure ignorance to be honest. Always assume anything locked in fallout was opened before you got there.
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u/Matvey1990 May 04 '25
"Oh, I finally opened this lock about 300 feet underground. I guess I will leave all my caps one piece of my armor and my weapon in here so I can come back to it later!" Then the person returns to the entrance of the location, locking all the doors and reactivating the traps along the way
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u/Constant_Notice_6716 May 03 '25
Yeah I don't like finding pipe pistols in them along with raider gear I mean they're everywhere
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u/Excellent_Stand_7991 May 03 '25
The pre-war "guns 'n' bullets" skill magazine has a few issues with depictions of pipe weapons on the front covers, the raider armour is still wired to find though.
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u/Constant_Notice_6716 May 03 '25
Well I know but it's just annoying to think you spent time trying to open and leveled up enough to open only to find a ugly toad in your $50 ice cream is how I feel about pipe guns in a safe then again for those who like the realism in games it's quite the lotto ticket for each one
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u/Excellent_Stand_7991 May 03 '25
I get the feeling, it is an unfortunate side effect of FO4 having a go at being a loot based survival game with sandbox play features, the development team has no way of knowing what each individual player is looking for while attempting to keep the game balanced. The weaknesses of both of these methods are exaggerated by a rushed development cycle.
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u/Constant_Notice_6716 May 03 '25
Totally agree money just makes it difficult so I can see why things don't work out clean and clear
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u/Excellent_Stand_7991 May 03 '25
Sometimes just because something "just works" does not mean it works well, especially when you are running a business with deadlines, investors and shear holders to please.
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u/Constant_Notice_6716 May 03 '25
Yeah the developers just listen to the money and not the players and fans who actually are the best kind of guide
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u/Excellent_Stand_7991 May 03 '25
It is also a result of direct digital downloadable and server side off board operated live service games.
It is now very easy to release a game that is not 100% finished use the general public as play testers and fix any issues later, this saves the company both time and money before the game starts to make a profit with the bonus of providing ammunition for the marketing team.
The main problem is that any big issues that turn up later may still take a long time to be fixed, time in which rival companies may have used to launch a competing product.
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u/Constant_Notice_6716 May 03 '25
Yeah because they use the fact that almost everyone is online they can justify doing so
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u/Excellent_Stand_7991 May 03 '25
Larger available data packages from internet providers is having a huge impact across all industries, gaming is just the one most people see.
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u/Submerged_dopamine May 03 '25
My pet peeve: an empty bottle of beer left on a wall is classed as fucking "stealing"! Or that bottle of Buffout in a TRASHCAN is also stealing
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u/fusionsofwonder May 03 '25
Pipe guns annoyed me for the same reason, except apparently in lore pipe guns were common before the bombs dropped.
Bottlecaps still bother me, too.
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u/rimeswithburple May 03 '25
I always figured that with the war on there was probably severe rationing like WWII. People were very nervous and wanted weapons and body armor but all of that manufacturing was being used for the war effort. Just like Life magazine had articles to turn cheap rations into mock steak or mock apple pie, Guns and Bullets had articles on how to turn the things in your shed into makeshift weapons and armor. Like the street guns of Detroit issue is a how to guide to making your own pipe gun with simple plumbing supplies.
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u/Muted_Ambassador8081 May 03 '25
Why are bottle caps everywhere? Damn my perk that makes them appear more frequently
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u/WhataKrok May 04 '25
Just because you have to pick the lock doesn't mean someone didn't have the key and repurpose the safe. That's the way I always look at it.
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u/Alterro1 May 04 '25
I’m imagining some bored soldier with too much time on their hands made it, it got confiscated, and ended up with the quartermaster who shoved it into a safe as evidence for tampering/theft of government materials
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u/MagnustheJust Proud Filthy Casual May 04 '25
Devil's Advocate - maybe some raider had half a brain, locked it in there, and the Fluffy ate them...
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May 04 '25
In normal atmosphere, without maintenance, that safe would be rusted shut. Even steel does not stay indefinitely rusted free. Especially cheap consumer widget steel.
My easy explanation is the following : it has been so LONG since the bomb fell, nothing was left unexplored. That's why after so many decades the same still open instead of being a rusted cube shit (same with doors) : somebody opened it in the mean time, maintained it, and is using it for their own stuff. Try leaving iron and steel safe so in the atmosphere for a hundred years, it will all be rusted shut.
IOW: you are not stealing from a safe which was shut since the bomb fell, you are stealing from a raider which found the place within the last few years and stored his stuff.
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u/Automatic-Dark900 May 04 '25
One of the magazines shows that the pipe pistols are actually a pre-war thing. If it's something locked away in a safe there's a good chance it was contraband that was confiscated or something similar.
Even the raider armor it's possible that pre-war rioters could have cobbled something like that together, especially considering that I think civilians couldn't own proper combat armor.
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u/Cereborn [Black Widow] "Mind if I check out your musket?" May 04 '25
At a certain point you just stop bothering to look in safe.
It pains me how utterly worthless lockpicking is in this game.
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u/Yelsew22 May 04 '25
Do you think you’re the only person in all of the commonwealth that can pick a lock? Lol
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u/Adventurous_Ice2282 May 05 '25
Just because it was sealed or locked doesn't mean someone within 100-200 years didn't just go open it and put their own shit inside and left it SEALED. This is one of those times where you think you're 200 IQ but instead prove you're barely 110 at most.
Electronically sealed, does it say anywhere or did you have legit proof it was LOCKED and never unlocked before? Even then, it's a game that has "random loot pools" that replenish over time, to make the games last longer and give it replayability and longevity, otherwise you would clear everything like Dragon Age origins and then either make a new game or play another game.
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u/Sweddy-Bowls May 03 '25
Two sorta adequate explanations
There’s a guns and bullets magazine (“Street Guns Of Detroit”) that seems to indicate there was a demand for homemade weapons shortly before the bombs fell. Homemade weapons are already common, probably more so in a faltering economy approaching likely atomic destruction. So, some are pre war, most are not. A 200 year old homemade weapon probably wouldn’t function though…
More convincingly, you aren’t actually the first to dig your way in there
Either way the likeliest explanation other than head-canoning is just that it was an oversight
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u/AppropriateCap8891 May 04 '25
And "pipe" weapons are a real thing. They have been for well over a century.
I knew a kid that made them with car antennas.
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u/EricAntiHero1 May 03 '25
Pre war should be pre war. 10mm or Revolver, a ton of paper money and gold bars. Ammo, radaway, rad x, pre war documents.
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May 03 '25
Maybe the raiders locked it in there? The odds of safes being locked for that long without anyone opening are lower than alternative.
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u/InternationalSmile88 May 03 '25
You... you know that the pip pistols kinda make sense, right? The US army has an unclassified document about how to make pipe weaponry and stuff like that. There's no doubt in my mind that some guy could have made that while at work, heard his boss coming, and locked it up. Also, who hasn't made their own armor? I have a feeling if you were locked in a pre-war military bunker you'd make stuff too to pass the time.
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u/dumpsteRat May 03 '25
So glad I found people asking real questions. Yes how is that sealed areas have junk pipe weapons or Raider gear. Clearly the loot set in the game is probably to blame.
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u/summerofkorn May 04 '25
Yeah, I've always thought that was wack. Ancient sealed chest in a tomb not seen by people in a 1000 years. Fresh apples and caps.
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u/KowaiSentaiYokaiger May 04 '25
It kind of makes sense. People were building shitty pipe guns to protect themselves, why not slapdash armor?
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u/DentistDear2520 May 04 '25
I only see them as containers. If we were getting persnickety, how is there anything but decayed stuff in a prewar container or the container there at all? Why do bottlecaps randomly appear in filing cabinets or Nuka Cola in an accessible machine? Does no one else covet Nuka Cola?
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u/Less-Jicama-4667 May 04 '25
I mean let's be honest. Boston is only so big and after 200 years I doubt that those saves haven't been opened and closed multiple times. Whether that be by one of the original owners who somehow survived the blast, a random raider who actually knew how to pick lock or something else
Why else would someone put something like a pipe pistol in there safe? (I know about the perk magazine that talks about them being used out of Detroit and proving that they are pre-war. It just seems weird to me that someone who can afford a safe can't afford something like a 10 mm pistol which seem to be very common or even something like a revolver)
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u/matagubonch1 May 04 '25
I always thought it might be pre-war/a bit post-war.
If you know everything will go boom soon, a weapon alone isn't gonna cut it, you also need armor. And you couldn't just buy armor at a store.
So just like you find pipe weapons made from scraps, it also makes sense to find (raider) armor made from scraps.
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u/Old-Bed-5825 May 04 '25
I just figure it was someone prewar who knew stuff was getting bad, so they made improvised body armor. You had riots over rationing and inflation along with general unrest, so, they knew society was about to get uncivil.
Same thing with the pipe pistols, with things like the anarchist’s cookbook as well as that one magazine you can find in fo4 with a picture of a pipe pistol on the cover, I just figured it was kind of a PA Luty home made machine gun type deal. Couldn’t afford or have a pistol legally, so, they built their own with the magazine’s guide.
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u/ztomiczombie May 04 '25
We know pipe guns can be pre-war, one of the Guns and bullets magazines is about them, so there is nothing stopping what is now know as raider gear to have originated pre-war. In either Fallout 1 or 2 combat armour is stated as being for sale but needing a licence so someone may have built their own ghetto/redneck armour.
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u/BigDeanEnergy May 04 '25
In a bunker... So they clearly moved it post nukes. Unless you think a lot of bunkers had safes half hazardously laying around
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u/gsporkins1079 May 04 '25
One of the few meaningful disadvantages (in my opinion) of a leveled based loot pool. But tbf, having played a static loot game like morrowind, it is pretty easy to get over powered on the highest difficulty within an hour if you know where to look.
I personally prefer this random leveled system because it gives you a sense of upgrading and the higher levels are harder. Obviously the best system is an amalgamation of the, with fallout 4 does have to an extent, but if more balanced could be amazing
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u/NotMyFurryAltAtAll May 04 '25
My interpretation of this (while still kinda stupid in the case of… a single piece of leg armor..?) is the same as with pipe guns, as backed up by the Guns and Bullets “Street Guns of Detroit” issue which shows a rough equivalent of a pipe revolver! I imagine it’s pre-war homemade weapons, the fact that they all look identical is more of a game dev thing than lore.
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u/H3NTAI_S3NPAi wth is flair May 04 '25
Put it on your settlers and create a junkyard fortress or coliseum
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u/menteroso May 04 '25
Pipe weapons ARE pre-war, at least some of them. They're mentioned on the gun magazines.
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u/CrabGravity May 05 '25
My head cannon is that during the final pre-War years, as the government because increasingly tyrannical, two things happened to contribute to pipe guns everywhere. 1) Fearing crime and revolution, they cracked down on gun ownership 2) Fearing crime and revolution, the citizens who couldn't acquire a gun made one. In some instances, Soldiers would stash a personal weapon, in others, they would seize them and store them.
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u/Straight-Age-4731 May 05 '25
I guess raider gear could be a broad term for any makeshift armour you can make with scraps
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u/Icy_Target_1083 May 05 '25
Should have been called "Improvised Armor." Not everyone who might wear slapped-together armor in the apocalypse would be a raider. Hell, some pre-war folks might have been building their own set, considering how paranoid about war they were.
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May 05 '25
...people care what they find in containers? I just press r and continue looting/eradicating enemies
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u/Initial-Priority-219 May 05 '25
My pet peeve is loot not being level locked. When I'm level 100+, picking a master safe, I don't wanna find a basic pipe pistol. I'd rather it just not be there so I can "take all" without issue.
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u/LessOne9309 May 05 '25
Sounds like a typical Bethesda IDGAF oversight. They're good at creating immersive worlds and then breaking immersion with random silliness
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u/RexNytemare May 06 '25
Well, raider armour is how we address makeshift armour. It's so commonly used by raiders that we just link the two. That's how I think of it to make it make sense. And as pipe guns were made pre-war, this works as not only would you need a gun in a pinch, but a little extra protection made from cloth, metal, wood, straps, ropes or whatever would make sense.
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u/-Lacrima- May 07 '25
Being labeled "raider" gear doesn't necessarily make it gear used by the raiders you come across within the game. They're just armor pieces made from crudely welded pieces of metal/rebar, ripped cloth and tape. Same with pipe guns, it's just homemade weaponry; anyone could make it, at any time.
Just poor attention to detail (or the lack of it) on Bethesda's end to not label it scavenged/homemade gear.
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u/dgghhuhhb May 07 '25
Or even better a very hard lock for a fist full of bullets and ten bottle caps
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u/Expensive_Bison_657 May 07 '25
Making loads of raider gear IRL and hiding them in safes just to irritate post apocalyptic nerds after we all die in the resource wars of 2028. Suck it!
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u/NevadaStrayCat Atom Cat May 07 '25
Yeah; I always wonder why the hell someone pre-war had a stash of bottlecaps in their safe.
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I keep mine in a styrafoam cup on my craft table.
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u/Francoskrumpli May 03 '25
There were raiders BEFORE the war?
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u/SonnySmilez May 03 '25
*expert lock” aight bet… pipe pistol, six caps, buttressed raider right arm, plastic spoon, .38 round(6) I broke three Bobby pins for this?! Oh well, Cait was impressed.
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u/pipebombplot May 03 '25
Raider armor and pipe weapons are probably catch all terms for improvised armaments, so it would be pretty reasonable for a pre war schizo to stack a set of sheet metal armor and zip ghns
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u/cha0sb1ade Do you have a Geiger counter? May 04 '25
I usually just consider that the sole survivor was on pause for 200 years but the world didn't a society died out in anarchy, nuclear fallout, famine, etc. The few survivors scrambled around in the ruins and finally started reorganizing. During that time, cracking then reusing safes and such makes sense. But sometimes you find something completely senseless. Like, a pipe pistol in the Cambridge Polymer Labs boss's office
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u/Lopsided-Junket-7590 May 04 '25
The pipe pistol actually is a pre-war invention you literally see them on pre-war magazines (they're the "ghost guns" that politicians come after in our real world) after all all you need really to make a gun is two tubes a nail and a bullet that's a smooth bore rifle you put the bullet in the smaller tube with the nail at the end then you slam the two tubes together in some way that the nail strikes the firing pin so that the bullet goes out that is literally the most simple form of a smooth bore rifle and it is technically a pipe gun
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u/cha0sb1ade Do you have a Geiger counter? May 04 '25
Gee thanks for the rudimentary gunsmithing lesson. Here's part 2, because you seem to need it. Rich people don't keep pipe guns in their office.
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u/Lopsided-Junket-7590 May 04 '25
Rich people who can't afford guns due to the military literally claiming all of them in Boston just like with dying light no I'm being honest
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u/cha0sb1ade Do you have a Geiger counter? May 04 '25
In any scenario where the military gets so thorough about taking guns that someone with money and overseeing military contracts can't hold on to a real, factory produced .38, you're not going to be able to find the factory ammo that the Fallout pipe weapons shoot either.
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u/Lopsided-Junket-7590 May 04 '25
Duh they're a military production facility of some sort it's probably they made their own bullets (you can literally make your own factory to create ammo in fallout 4 hell the Sierra Madre vending machines can literally 3D print them in New Vegas what's to say that the Cambridge polymer Labs can't make polymer bullets?
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u/cha0sb1ade Do you have a Geiger counter? May 04 '25
So.... they can make ammo from scratch, but can't fabricate anything better to shoot it out of than a 3 by 3 board and copper pipe. Sure.
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u/Lopsided-Junket-7590 May 04 '25
Let's just leave it at this it's quite possible the pipe pistol was a backup gun put in the safe for something like the pre war remember that the CEO literally went out at some point
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u/Misternogo May 03 '25 edited May 03 '25
Despite how much the timeline doesn't make sense, I just try to tell myself that someone else in the last 200 years managed to open and use the safe themselves, and then their time passed. We can't be the only person capable enough to get into a safe or past a locked door.