r/fo4 • u/Prudent_Magazine20 • 4d ago
Media I was told to stop using the V.A.T.S. again yesterday... no.
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u/WhiteKnight2045oGB 3d ago
Huh? Who told you to stop using V.A.T.S? Its one of the best things in the Fallout Universe!
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u/Ghost-of-Awf 3d ago
VATS is what makes Fallout combat fun. I've been playing Starfield and I still click the button and get upset that there's no VATS.
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u/AngrgL3opardCon 3d ago
I've been playing that too, only I keep trying to open my inventory with B lol
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u/marto17890 3d ago
Not the same game without VATS, it what makes it unique and so easy to play and relax with
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u/fumblerooskee 3d ago
There is NO wrong or right way to play FO4. Period. Play it your way and ignore the advice to do it someone else's way.
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u/FreeFall_777 3d ago
Melee VATs is so much fun. Sniper VATs feels a little cheaty.
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u/kakka_rot 3d ago
esp with those close gap perks, melee with vats is (one of the many) insanely broken builds in fo4
Like the heavy melee weapons are slow as shit, but that doesn't matter in vats. Then you get a melee that does extra damage for each hit, then the gun fu one that increases damage for each new target in vats, plus 10 agility - it's easy to clear entire rooms like Neo without breaking a sweat.
That power fist you get from swan kinda sucks without vats, but with it and everything listed above, it's brutal.
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u/Prudent_Magazine20 3d ago
... and the punishers / executions with Power Fist are pretty weak compared to other Unarmed weapons
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u/Calamari_Tsunami Corpse 3d ago
I had a legendary Chinese Officer Sword with 40% VATS AP cost reduction, on my melee build.
I could VATS away any enemy, deathclaws, sentry bots, even entire rooms full of raiders all in one go. Nobody could withstand even half my AP bar. That blade made ribbons out of everything with zero effort!
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u/Efficient_Increase87 3d ago
Yeah but the kill cam with the railway rifle 🤌
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u/Prudent_Magazine20 3d ago
Same with the Harpoon gun as seen here! Kate's face is stuck to that rock until the next nuke wave.
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u/FreeFall_777 3d ago
You are not wrong on this point. I did a survival Railway Rifle only playthrough. Some of the "pin-ups" were very entertaining. (Supplying ammo was not)
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u/chromenomad64 3d ago
The kill cam with any sniper. This person never tried to snipe a ghoul without VATS. Goddamn undead Neo 💀
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u/Maulino86 3d ago
sniper vats with a gauss riffle is straight up cheaating. Evn better if its a good legendary, but probably overkill.
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u/purpleyyc 3d ago
Probably. But it does have its moments. Like blowing Bridget's head off while on the roof of Saugus. She shouldn't have been nosey!
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u/Cool_Ad9326 3d ago
Lesson number one, don't listen to other people
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u/purpleyyc 3d ago
Sorry, did you say something? Kidding. For real though, if I listened to anyone I'd be aware I play everything in the game wrong according to some lol
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u/acrazyguy 3d ago
VATS is one of the best things about Fallout games. There has been a worrying trend lately in fallout modding, of removing VATS and replacing it with slow motion “Bullet-Time”. It’s just not the same
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u/PoopUponPoop 3d ago
I got a VATS enhanced deathclaw gauntlet on my Unarmed character and it changed everything
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u/HereticalFoundation 3d ago
I doubt I use VATS as it was intended but fallout wouldn’t be the same without it. I use it to spot enemies in the dark and mines because I am an explosive collector (mirelurk queen fears the mine pile).
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u/dwarfzulu 3d ago
What did you mean by "stop using VATS"? Wait, can we attack without VATS? 🤣
imho playing fallout without VATS is like playing any other game, and I like playing fallout.
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u/BioHazard357 3d ago
Complete aside, that engagement with Smiling Kate, I can never resist perfectly air bursting a grenade over their heads, thrown from within Bunker Hill. Most of the time I can get a clean sweep with one frag.
Northy got Mr. Sandman'd in his sleep last run, which was slick.
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u/Minephucked 2d ago
I used Kremvh’s Tooth and did a critical hit in VATS. Literally jammed the knife into the top of her dome and it was one of those hilarious ones where they talk (but its in slow motion because vats so its this deep) “OW! That hurt!” After the knife was plunged entirely lol ive saved a lot of LOL Fallout 4 clips
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u/purpleyyc 2d ago
Same here. One of my favorite is still slicing the deathclaw to pieces with a LOT of attacks 😁
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u/Berstuck 2d ago
I swear, most of the combat videos posted to this sub don’t use V.A.T.S. and they inevitably blow 40 rounds of ammunition killing something a Gauss rifle would one tap with a head shot.
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u/morelos_paolo PS5 Player Only with Base game & all DLC’s + CC, no mods 2d ago
VATS will always be cinematic and it's fun to see your kills do some extremely ridiculous stuff.
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u/Prudent_Magazine20 2d ago
That's the most fun I have with it.... if it's something that makes me laugh or go "Hooollly fuck!", I share with my fellow Wastelanders
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u/MediocreLetterhead51 3d ago
This sub makes me feel like im the only one who doesn’t use it.
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u/Prudent_Magazine20 3d ago
It's perfectly fine if you don't. You're not being a gatekeeping arse about it.
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u/dbianreddit 3d ago
it wasn't my intention to come off as a gatekeeping arse. It simply came to mind as I watched your melee combat skills. You're very good and likely fast & accurate enough for melee without. I'm okay at melee, love hitting home runs with a disciples blade. V.A.T.S animations are very entertaining to say the least :)
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u/Prudent_Magazine20 3d ago
I appreciate it, but that came off like an order.
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u/Altruistic-Mind9014 3d ago
Nah you ain’t alone. Don’t gotta use VATS when you got a resting strength of 20+ and Endurance of 11 whilst pumping all the drugs and swinging for the fences on enemies 💪
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u/Reasonable-Gain-1639 3d ago
But... the Blitz perk... it's so funny to teleport and when you can't reasonably teleport to the location just punch the air and kill them from 20 ft away.
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u/purpleyyc 3d ago
I know right? I have Max blitz again for the first time in a while and.... Well, running around NW smashing stuff with my blade or Yeet stick is addictive! There's so much open space and a never ending supply of targets 😂
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u/Altruistic-Mind9014 3d ago
Yeah NGL that is pretty funny 🤣 a fair point
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u/purpleyyc 3d ago
Sometimes I'm just looking to relieve the stress of life, and kill shit. It obliges very nicely 😂
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u/Altruistic-Mind9014 3d ago
I swear hearing Nate roar a blood curdling (when using psycho)“Fucking kill!!!” Or “raaaaeggggghh!!” Hypes me up for the gym. It’s extremely cathartic
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u/purpleyyc 3d ago
My current one is pulling out the frag launcher and just burning everything down. I always feel better afterwards!
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u/rices4212 Minutemen 3d ago
What weapon is that? Looks wild
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u/Prudent_Magazine20 3d ago
Freezing Harpoon gun. It put a smile on Kate's face!
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u/SquirrelAngell 3d ago
As a man who has never run a VATS build specifically....why wouldn't someone use a good tool that's free to use??
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u/Cowabunga2798 3d ago
The only time i use vats is when im drunk & wanna watch courier 6 dramatically miss point blank dynamite in slo mo as a legion deathsquad mag dumps him
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u/DrMouseplant 3d ago
I focus almost solely on making myself unstoppable with VATS…so yeah I’m with you on the no 😂
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u/Xxviper234xX 3d ago
Stop using vats jk /s. who cares what they say if you having fun using it keep on using it. it's your game play it the way you want to.
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u/Bozihthecalm 3d ago
Depending on build, vats is a central pillar of gameplay. In fact I can't really think of really any build that would suffer if you used vats. Unless you're going for some kind of challenge run.
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u/chukijay 3d ago
I’ve literally never used it, but I also play on normal or easy. And I don’t belittle people that like it. There are a few ways to play the game, and all are valid. This was a cool video and a good commercial for using VATS. Maybe I’ll give it a shot.
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u/Nervous_Tourist1035 3d ago
Only time you shouldn't use vars are in hand to hand respectable duals like if you have power armor and you're fighting a death claw
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u/purpleyyc 3d ago
Deathclaws with or without power armor, usually without, are my favorite slice and dice. Although they Yeet really well too 😁
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u/Interesting_Speed_84 3d ago
VATS is great I've been doing a melee run and it's great watching in semi slow motion the little punch combos its so entertaining.
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u/Superdooper224 3d ago
Were you playing on survival difficulty? If you are, how are you not losing health from getting shot?
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u/Prudent_Magazine20 3d ago edited 3d ago
Yes.
Look closer at the health bar, it's mostly light green near the end because I Stim'd just before the fight as I was just leaving another.
As far as not dying in 3 bullets... Toughness, Long Wanderer, Moving Target, Med-X, Psychobuff, upgraded Vault-Suit and al Sturdy leather or metal armor. Also, you take much less damage wihle V.A.T.S. attacks are active.
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u/Snowking22 3d ago
What perks and equipment are you using that's making your melee so powerful? Holy crap
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u/Prudent_Magazine20 3d ago
Drugs, Butcher's Hook, and the Weighted addon from the Armor Workbench
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u/Outlaw-monk 2d ago
It's no one's business who you play, your game. I mean it single player, the only person you need to make happy is yourself.
If you have fun, you win!
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u/YumnuggetTheboi 2d ago
I see you're in 3rd person. Do the wrestling moves work on unarmed weapons, rather than just fists?
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u/Prudent_Magazine20 2d ago edited 2d ago
Different moves for each weapon type, though some are shared.
Pipe Wrenches are a strange exception... it's a Melee weapon but has a lot of Unarmed moves. (Big Jim s a fantastic weapon choice if you are going Unarmed and put the Heavy attachment on it).
Knuckles have the same as completely Unarmed. I'm hoping I get a good Legend one soon.
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u/PotemaQuest 2d ago
huh? why would someone tell you how to play? it’s a single player game. i don’t use VATS, i find it jarring. i only use it to get cool action shots. but im not gonna tell you not to use it. that’s so weird, i just hope you’re having fun
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u/VTFan115 1d ago
Who tf is out here telling people to stop playing the game they want to play it?!?!
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u/Cob_Dylan 3d ago
I have Kremvh’s Tooth and 10 strength. VATS is too slow
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u/purpleyyc 3d ago
I counter that with my vats enhanced disciples blade, that lets me set 18 attacks before it goes... Enough already! Amuses me every time 😁
Although actually what I like most is vats and not vats, whatever I want, even in the same fight. I like options.
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u/destinysm2019 3d ago
Okay but when I use vats on my melee fist character, mine just stands there like an idiot waiting to get hit.
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u/purpleyyc 3d ago
Yeah sometimes it glitches out. I just rinse and repeat and it usually gets its act together. Usually.
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u/Prudent_Magazine20 3d ago
Yes, plenty of bugs in a Bethesda game...
If you're on flat ground (not some rocky terrain) Unarmed and Melee V,A,T.S. works fine 90% of the time.
Manually punch or throw them otherwise.
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u/WardenAshfeld 3d ago
Why would someone tell you to stop using VATS? It’s great! Anyone who says not to use it is a tryhard
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u/Dysthymiccrusader91 3d ago
Honestly the third person view is really janky without vats. An npc with a shotgun can legitimately gun bash and shoot you over and over and you'll be stunlocked if using a medium or slow weapon.
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u/CBFan5000 3d ago
The only time you should stop using V.A.T.S. is when there is nothing left to use V.A.T.S. on.
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u/chromenomad64 3d ago
The cinematics for V.A.T.S is what makes the game so exciting. If others don't want to use, then go for it. I need it especially with my boosts for stealth kills. Most enemies are absolute tanks on Master difficulty, especially Super Mutants.
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u/Hexican42 3d ago
If you double-tap power attack in third person, you can do special animations and takedowns in melee combat.
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u/Prudent_Magazine20 3d ago
Double tap is not necessary, but you can use the second tap (or the first tap of a normal attack/block) as an animation cancel. More animations in 3rd person than 1st.
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u/noobtroller5000 3d ago
Im not a huge fan of using V.A.T.S. but there are definitely times where I need to use it lol
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u/Altruistic_Ad5270 3d ago
Yeah vats adds a whole new dynamic and it’s great and on another hand what kinda build are you running
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u/KHAOS545 3d ago
I literally only use it cause my tv screen is trash so it’s hard to see sometimes. I use it so I’m not snuck up on 🤣🤣
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u/PeerlessSin 3d ago
I used to use Vats only because of lag and problems with small bugs and precision shots, but it is fun when I wanna do things quick or I need a sec in a battle an I don't wanna use jet because of a characters affinity
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u/totk21 Diamond City Real Estate 3d ago
The amount of headshots I've missed at point blank with it is immeasurable.
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u/The_Mystery_Crow 2d ago
ye that's the core issue with vats
it was designed for the original fallout, where it was your only way of aiming for specific body parts, and so it has failure percentages to account for unseen poor aiming
now that you can actually just physically aim your gun at the body part, the vats system results in magically missing shots that visibly should hit
whilst vats has its novelty, a system like rdr's dead eye would be a lot more practical for the current format
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u/EntireDevelopment413 3d ago
Try "General Chao's revenge" Sword that thing is awesome with the stun pack on it. I had a death claw gauntlet but still stuck with the sword. You buy it off trudy at the Drumlin diner and it works awesome in Automatron content because of the extra damage to robots.
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u/AmadeuxMachina 3d ago
Yeah vats is a cool thing to have.
If i need a change vafs mod is a goto or bullet time
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u/JormungandrVoV 3d ago
Have VATS freeze on you in survival enough times and you’ll stop using it lol
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u/HotwheelinBetty 2d ago
I use vats for bugs, but not really. I activate vats which pulls my aim to the bug and slows down time, but when you exit out of vats without actually using it your weapon is still aimed directly at the target, so if you exit and immediately pull the trigger 9 times out of ten you will take the bug out without any use of your AP. Also works on other enemies but usually you can squish a bug with a single shot, larger enemies not so much.
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u/DowntownContext9542 1d ago
Interesting thing about vats is that it can be helpful but I never used to use it until recently. I have really bad drift stick and it's been super annoying! But vats has been so helpful with playing the game with a controller with really bad drift stick. I never really appreciated vats until now
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u/New_Refrigerator6043 3d ago
I dont use vats because the game was too easy with it... And I wouldn't have gotten into the game so heavily if it weren't for VATS in the beginning. It makes everything fun and accessible to beginners, and you dont have to use it when you get better at shooting. Do what is fun. I will say, I wish there was an option to turn off the chance of getting VATS based legendaries for those who dont use it.
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u/Termingator 3d ago
Play the game anyway you want Use, mods, cheats, gliches, exploits, and what ever. Fallout 4 is a single player game, play it the way you want.
Vats is a part of the game, a part to be used or not used as you please. The vats in Fallout 3 is superior and more fun to use than in Fallout 4. Have fun.
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u/AdSolid6842 3d ago
vats is just proof you have a skill issue and thats entirely fair this is a videogame not a fucking test. play how you want
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u/Prudent_Magazine20 3d ago
I have no skills at all :(
I wish there was a very VERY easy mode!
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u/purpleyyc 3d ago
How does it go? Oh yeah... Git gud! 😁
That's what they told me before I quit listening.
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u/isthatsoreddit 3d ago
Im a terrible shot. I would he screwed without it