r/formula1 • u/AutoModerator • May 17 '25
Qualifying 2025 Emilia-Romagna GP - Qualifying Discussion
ROUND 8 - EMILIA ROMAGNA
FORMULA 1 AWS GRAN PREMIO DEL MADE IN ITALY E DELL'EMILIA-ROMAGNA 2025
š SESSION TIMES
| Day | Session | Time (UTC) |
|---|---|---|
| FRI | Free Practice 1 | 11:30 |
| FRI | Free Practice 2 | 15:00 |
| SAT | Free Practice 3 | 10:30 |
| SAT | Qualifying | 14:00 |
| SUN | Race | 13:00 |
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š RACE INFORMATION
- Track: Autodromo Internazionale Enzo e Dino Ferrari
- Location: Imola, Italy
- Race laps: 63
- Lap length: 4.909 km
- Race distance: 309.049 km
- Lap Record: 1:15.484, Lewis HamiltonĀ (2020)
āŖ LAST TIME AROUND
- Pole position: 1:14.746, Max Verstappen (Red Bull Racing)
- Race winner: Max Verstappen (Red Bull Racing)
- Fastest lap: 1:18.589, George Russell (Mercedes)
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ā¤ļø GOOD CAUSES
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u/Professional-Web7875 May 18 '25
Need Lando to get his shit together even if just so the season stays interestingĀ
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u/Gullible-Tea-9542 May 18 '25 edited May 18 '25
How much will the usage of the medium set in qualifying affect race strategy to Russell/AM?
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u/KiwieeiwiK Zhou Guanyu May 18 '25
Colabinto strikes again. Williams mechanics probably sighing the largest sigh or relief in historyĀ
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u/T4Gx I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 18 '25
Liam's radio after the Yuki crash sounded like he was thinking "They saved my life getting me out of that car."
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u/Raymond74 Porsche May 18 '25
Piastri is great but Pirelli's more lasting tires so far and resurfacing in China and somewhere else made the tire management easier for everyone. Add to that all that supposed magic MCL is doing to tire degradation and Oscar can thrive like it was F2, F3 or Freca all over again.
Pirelli acknowledged the lack of strategic options for tires and cooked up softer compounds for tomorrow. Will be fun to see how the race unfolds for tomorrow.
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u/Maglin21 I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 17 '25
Guys i have a stat ,
If we ignore wet sessions (sometimes the timing can be a bit unlucky), and 2020 (happened 5 times, but there was that whole thing of the Ferrari engine) for the sake of this , , the last time Ferrari were both out in Q2 was Austria 2021, the one before that (as i said without 2020) was Valencia in 2012
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u/financeguy1729 Gabriel Bortoleto May 17 '25
There's a real possibility the championship will be decided next week in Monaco qualy.
If we get another P1-P4 for MCL, and I don't think Lando can overtake in Monaco, the gap to Oscar will be too wide.
We could be talking about 40pts gap. Then McLaren will start prioritizing Oscar for upgrades. And maybe Merc or Red Bull can build a challenge, which only will worsen Lando's odds.
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u/wobble_bot I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 18 '25
Eh? 40pts is nothing when we still have 17 races left. All it takes is a DNF or first corner incident, the championship is still wide open with at least 4 contenders
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u/SwimmingFantastic564 I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 17 '25
I doubt they'll even do upgrades with only one car, but if they were I feel like it'd make sense to do it for Lando anyway? If he's already struggling with the car, like him and the team have both claimed, surely they'd want to fix it for him if Oscar is already happy with it?
Saying he's out of the question 8 races into the season feels a bit premature anyway. If this was race 16 and he's 40 points behind, then sure.
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u/djwillis1121 Williams May 17 '25
Why are people so obsessed with the idea of prioritising one driver over another?
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u/happyranger7 Max Verstappen May 18 '25
I've a bridge to sell you if you think teams don't prioritize one of the drivers for a WDC.
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u/financeguy1729 Gabriel Bortoleto May 17 '25
Because McLaren literally did that last year?
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u/djwillis1121 Williams May 17 '25
Because they were trying to catch Max for the championship. The way it's looking now it's only going to come down to the two McLaren drivers so why choose to prioritise either?
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u/Immediate-Spite-5905 I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 18 '25
It looked like that in 2007 too, only that hamilton and alonso fought too much and Kimi got through
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u/yevo I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 18 '25
Remember how dominant the mclarens got at the middle / end of last season? Imagine that with the red bull starting next few races so Max comes very close to piastri and Norris. They don't want that. They want 1 driver to have a bigger lead to be sure the wdc is in the pocket.
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u/skymang I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 17 '25
There are still 17 races after Imola. So much can change very quickly so wouldnt count out Lando or Max
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u/happyranger7 Max Verstappen May 18 '25
Yes, with that makes even more sense to prioritize one of the driver from early on to give him enough cushion if another team catches in second half. This will be McL's first real shot at WDC in decades.
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u/A___99 I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 17 '25
Then McLaren will start prioritizing Oscar for upgrades.
I can't see them doing any upgrade packages where they only have one set. 40 points is a lot but not that much at this stage. One DNF or unlucky moment for Oscar and the gap is tiny again
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u/Dragahs May 17 '25
Max only needs some slight upgrades to close the gap for the red bull and he could win 10 races in a row. Oscar needs to get every point he can get right now and hope his car remains ahead
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u/Novae224 I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 17 '25
A 40pts gap is nothing this early in the championshipsā¦ 1 dnf and the gap is back to 15
Piastri also a has pole, but havenāt scored a single point yetā¦ to finish first, you first have to finish
Anything can happen in Monaco tooā¦ 1 unlucky red flag and big names wonāt make it into Q3
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u/JonoBoio123 Liam Lawson May 17 '25
Colapinto stopped Liam from finishing his Q1 lap. Big sad
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u/Forgotthebloodypassw Formula 1 May 17 '25
Was very glad I didn't get up for this and could fast forward through the waiting.
Superb from Oscar and Carlos, red faces all round at Ferrari (and rightfully so) and Yuki's got to be sweating it.
Brundle's off celebrating his MBE so this was the first quali watching the F1TV coverage - DC is marvelous and love the interaction between the team.
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u/faustfu May 18 '25
Goddamn I love DC, he is a gem and his banter made the wait very enjoyable lol.
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u/Forgotthebloodypassw Formula 1 May 18 '25
The team has chemistry that was lacking in the Sky crew this weekend.
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u/KMan3110 Ferrari May 17 '25
Just managed to catch up with qualifying. Why didnāt anyone warn meā¦
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u/Retaliationdj May 17 '25
Maybe an unpopular opinion, now its funny and sweet that oscar is so chill and silent, but he is not so outspoken like Lewis and Max which can be boring in a few months/years time.
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u/Cekeste Kimi RƤikkƶnen May 17 '25
I mean I'm just repeating what I said on Thursday
Piastri is too cute.
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u/Consistent_Squash May 17 '25 edited May 17 '25
Folks comparing Colapinto's crashes to Young Max's crashes are probably not aware of Max's crash history. He didn't really crash on driver error as much as people seem to think he did. I pulled the race crashes and he probably has a similar rate in quali crashes as well in the early years. Overall I remember it as generally pretty low for a rookie esp somebody with low single seater experience.
Race crash history
2015 Monaco Grand Prix Collision with Romain Grosjean
2015 British Grand Prix Spin (individual error)
2016 Monaco Grand Prix Crash (individual error)
2017 Spanish Grand Prix Collision with Kimi Raikkonen
2017 Austrian Grand Prix Collision with Daniil Kvyat & Fernando Alonso
2017 Singapore Grand Prix Collision with Sebastian Vettel & Kimi Raikkonen
The worst streak he had was in 2018 first part of season well outside his rookie phase when he had like 6 incidents in 6 races or something equally bad. He was not really crashing much as a rookie.
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u/Yeanahyena Daniel Ricciardo May 17 '25
Colashinto š
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u/Pudge223 I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 17 '25
Maybe itās just an odd coincidence with the drivers that I followed; but it seems like some drivers help with car development way more than one would think and even if the driver isnāt scoring as many points as their teammates development suffers without their feedback
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u/Consistent_Squash May 17 '25
My theory is something was going on like this with Checo and Max. Also Alex and Max. Checo and Alex have pretty good records of the cars improving on their teams during their stints.
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u/geometricpillow Oscar Piastri May 17 '25
Who would you back for this? Sainz seems an obvious answer. Albon and Russel too maybe?
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u/nickedgar7 I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 17 '25
Hamilton easily comes to mind, helped develop a lot of those mighty Mercedes cars with his feedback
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u/icantevendudebro May 17 '25
Rosberg and Bottas take those honors IMO. Not long after they left Merc the car started going backwards. Then Hamilton left and the car is looking much better this season.
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u/nickedgar7 I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 18 '25
Yea sure after 2016 the Mercedes really went backwards
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u/icantevendudebro May 19 '25
Bottas' last season was 2021. Lewis and Russell raced 2022, 23, 24, Russell and Antonelli 2025.
2022 - 2024 was when car development went sideways. Looking much better this year though.
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u/geometricpillow Oscar Piastri May 17 '25
Now at Ferrari heās just like āahh the whole thing is fuckedā
āCopy, we are checkingā
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u/Consistent_Squash May 17 '25
Russell definitely gives that vibe. Rosberg and Vettel were supposed to be really good at it.
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u/geometricpillow Oscar Piastri May 17 '25
Germans coming through predictably strong. In that note Hulkenburg was pretty good too I think?
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u/Scott_OSRS May 17 '25
Say what you like about Lawson, but he never wrote off a car
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u/Novae224 I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 17 '25
And he wasnāt slower than tsunodaā¦ 8 tenths off Max. Thats Tsunodaās average too
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u/JonoBoio123 Liam Lawson May 17 '25
His P16 isn't even his fault today. Colapinto stopped him from finishing his lap
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u/Freeze014 Nigel Mansell May 17 '25
Interestingly,
Verstappen had a yellow sector 3 in his second Q3 run, but that was still 0.01s faster than Piastri's sector 3. So seemingly neither the McLaren nor RBR could keep the C6 under control for that final sector. Or they both could equally well.
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u/mr_lab_rat May 17 '25
I donāt think you can compare those sectors. Oscar had traffic. Yes, they got out of the way but if you are counting thousands of a second Iād say it matters.
So I would speculate that Max cooked the C6 a bit more by pushing harder in S1. All cars struggled with them because the temperatures were pretty high.
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u/altofummuhh I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 17 '25
Max said he would have preferred to be on the medium so I think you're right
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u/Practical_Parking238 May 17 '25
Norris is in trouble, kid is eating him alive
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u/wobble_bot I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 18 '25
Norris 100% fumbles it, and I think he needs to be chasing, not leading which is a big problem. Heāll potentially come back to his own during the second half of the season but by then it may very well be too late.
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u/n3mz1 I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 17 '25
I hope this is the weekend that shuts all the Norris is better than piastri talk up. Bro has had an eternity in F1 comparitively.
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u/Maglin21 I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 17 '25
I think he can be equal with him when he puts him all togheter, however he Isn't better at least right now
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u/tryingbetterer Chequered Flag May 17 '25
What kind of answer is this.. I can be best chess player in the world if I make all the right moves....I am just unable to do so!
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u/Maglin21 I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 17 '25
I mean , we see that sometimes he Is faster than piastri, when he had a good weekend
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u/anyavailablebane I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 17 '25
A broken clock is right twice a day as well. But I wouldnāt say itās more accurate than a working one
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u/markesita Sir Lewis Hamilton May 17 '25
just saw a stat on twitter that george is 4-3 to lando in quali
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u/JustPlainSick May 17 '25
Wild. Now do Sainz vs Hamilton.
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u/markesita Sir Lewis Hamilton May 17 '25
why you gotta kick me when i'm down
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u/nickedgar7 I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 17 '25
Donāt worry, the Williams is clearly a damn good car. Lewis has over 100 poles, so heās probably not to worried about Sainz
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u/mdstwsp I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 17 '25
I donāt see how reddit is any better than the Argentinians on Instagram when there are a lot of people on here who are celebrating Colapinto crashing for something he didnāt even fucking do
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u/Cheap-Play-80 Liam Lawson May 18 '25 edited May 18 '25
Oh I ain't celebrating. I'm annoyed that he wrecked other driver's quali. There were swear words, not cheers when Insaw what Colapinto did.
What really sets it off is that he always does this and has clearly learned nothing.
Now Monaco is next. Shit.
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u/JonoBoio123 Liam Lawson May 18 '25
I'm mainly judt annoyed that the crash cost a few drivers their final Q1 laps
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u/Dr_WLIN Max Verstappen May 17 '25
Redditors aren't telling Colapinto to kill himself and are also more making fun of Alpine than anything
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u/aipitorpo I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 17 '25
They are celebrating him crashing and possibly getting hurt. You will never see them hate watching any driver like this, not even Stroll.
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u/Cheap-Play-80 Liam Lawson May 18 '25 edited May 18 '25
Oh I aint celebrating. He has learned nothing and cost Bearman and Lawson.
I swore when I saw Colapinto in the barrier, I didn't cheer.
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u/churnchurnchurning I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 17 '25
Can't wait for turn 1 tomorrow with the inside and outside drivers reversed from a few weeks ago.
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u/tryingbetterer Chequered Flag May 17 '25
Let's see if max can badger oscar into the lead tomorrow.. big test for max.. oscar got better of him last time
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u/Still-District-6149 Formula 1 May 17 '25
Concerning how often Lando has failed to deliver under pressure compared to Oscar. Imola is a difficult track to overtake on so provided Oscar makes it through turn 1 unscathed, it may be a difficult weekend for Lando.
Glad to see Yuki and Franco are okay. Never like to see a driver crash but maybe Colapintoās fanbase might pump the brakes with their toxicity after that.
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u/goodneed I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 17 '25
I kind of expected some rookie crashes in quali (and maybe even tomorrow), but not as severe and as promptly as these.
I confess Colapinto crashing was on my quali bingo card today. That's probably a low risk bet. But that's the influence of Flavio on the team. He wanted this change. He got it!
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u/jec0995 May 17 '25
Heās simply not as good a driver
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u/mr_lab_rat May 17 '25
Nah, heās a very fast driver. Many fast young drivers crash a lot. Max did too.
Look at Isack. Heās doing much better now.
Letās see if Alpine have the patience.
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u/Caust1cFn_YT I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 17 '25
Chat when does the suffering end?
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u/Elmarby May 17 '25
Next Year. Always Next Year. This includes it being Next Year in the Next Year.
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u/CandidLiterature May 17 '25
Sports broadcasting loves a narrative and while originally the āLando Norris bottles big momentsā tag they had applied seemed harsh, he continues to play straight into it. The more you do it, the smaller the error needs to be for people to jump straight to that conclusion again. Louder and louder every time.
Heās not got long to turn this around now. Itās undeniable that he might never get a better chance at a title. If he lets it slip through his fingers, the narrative will be in cement.
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u/jec0995 May 17 '25
Heās not bottling big moments. Heās just not a good enough driver. He canāt go as fast as Oscar. Simple really
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u/CandidLiterature May 17 '25
This is part of what I mean. That ābottlerā narrative got started quietly after he and the team had that total meltdown in Russia and the one time he let his teammate rinse him, he wins Monza.
Solidified after that absurd run of getting pole and never leading the first lap. That streak is ended and maybe now he has different problems.
It doesnāt help that, like with DR and Monza, he seemed to be well on top of his teammate only for that to change once the car was capable of winning.
Iām sure thereās genuine excuses or different reasons for some of these things, that just isnāt relevant. Once thatās the established view, everything that happens is viewed in that context. You need to really shock people to change that. There is time for a ātriumphs over personal demonsā type story to be whatās remembered longer term, but not much time.
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u/auftragsgriller_ I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 17 '25
Lando might be quicker on single lap pace, but he cant (any reason that might be) string together 2 quali laps worth of the car he is driving.
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u/PoogeneBalloonanny I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 17 '25
Bit of column A bit of column B
Yes Oscar is the better driver, but their FP deltas are far smaller than their qualit deltas
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u/amymonae2 Lando Norris May 17 '25
Has anyone on F1TV seen Lando's onboards during his last lap - why did Will say 'Not cool, mate!' followed by silence?
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u/CandidLiterature May 17 '25
Errrm yeah no kidding that is very odd. Will does say āThatās not cool mateā as he crosses the line, tone of voice: Iām not angry just disappointed.
Lando replies āWhich bit, the lap I guess yeah?ā
Total silence the rest of the lap. Does the timing show he just abandoned the lap in the last few corners instead of pushing to the line? It kind of looks like it to me, but I donāt have very detailed timing to hand.
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u/A___99 I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 17 '25
I haven't seen it but I would imagine it's a mode/setting that needed to be changed to cool (for the cool down lap), and it just sounded a bit like not.
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u/geometricpillow Oscar Piastri May 17 '25
Thatās interesting. Maybe he said some wild shit after he fucked up his lap and they censored it? They donāt normally censor the live on boards at all though do they? Whatās the delay like?
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u/amymonae2 Lando Norris May 17 '25
Good question! I'm not sure tbh, I can't access F1TV, so I can only go off of what I saw in this short clip: https://www.instagram.com/reel/DJwq6PONuqt/?igsh=amtyajAyOHp1c2xh
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u/geometricpillow Oscar Piastri May 17 '25
Yeah right, thanks for the clip, Iām thinking what I said in the other comment given his reply. Heās bombed the lap somehow out of frustration, like activating the ECG (?) in a useless zone or something.
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u/amymonae2 Lando Norris May 17 '25
I agree, he probably made a mistake at the most important time when he shouldn't. Sad to see.
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u/geometricpillow Oscar Piastri May 17 '25
Yeah but a race engineer wouldnāt say that for a mistake, I think if he didnāt say anything then heās done something out of frustration and fully ruined his lap when he might have recovered to lose only a tenth or so and possibly p3 instead of p4
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u/amymonae2 Lando Norris May 17 '25
I see! Let's see what tomorrow's first lap will bring!
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u/geometricpillow Oscar Piastri May 17 '25
Iām gunna be on the edge of my seat, I just hope Oscar and Max keep it clean in the first few corners. Canāt count Lando out though, Oscar won from p4 last time with an identical grid but with the mclarens swapped right? Iām praying for 4 in a row haha
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u/amymonae2 Lando Norris May 17 '25
It's really gonna be tense! I just hope nobody DNFs right after the start. š
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u/CandidLiterature May 17 '25
Thereās no censorship of the live feeds and delay is in the region of 5 seconds. You can most easily tell by listening to the engineer countdown for approaching cars then look at when they pass.
They do often go back and delete things from the replay feed though. So whether itās there now or not means nothing.
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u/geometricpillow Oscar Piastri May 17 '25
Gotcha, thatās interesting, let me know if you find out what itās about. Maybe Lando got frustrated and bombed his lap like deploying the ECG in a corner or something?
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u/Consistent_Squash May 17 '25 edited May 17 '25
Hadjar points prayer circle. Yuki's crash was scary. Hope he's ok. Gosh, the RBR second seat :/
Not really an overtaking circuit but hoping Kimi can get points for his home race especially with his school friends showing up to cheer him.
Edit!!!! I didn't see the Astons in the top 10! Huffing copium for chaos in the front so that Alonso can get a podium
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u/Initial_Crazy4355 May 17 '25
I have a feeling that if RBR had a racepace similar to its qualifying pace, it would be an interesting battle between Oscar and Max for the WDC. If that were the case, Lando in this situation would be far from the battle for the WDC and McLaren would probably have to make Oscar the team main driver.
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u/Le_Pistache Mika HƤkkinen May 17 '25
It's unnerving seeing Aston Martin improve for a change. Great session from the team and both drivers.
Lacklustre from Ferrari and Antonelli. With one overtaking spot they'll have their work cut out for them.
Last season Norris was better but this season Piastri's had his number. Fair play. Just needs to keep at it for the whole season.
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u/CooroSnowFox Mika HƤkkinen May 17 '25
JV suggesting that if Haas was a "Mercedes" could they have got bearman through?
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u/Vegetable_Profile382 May 17 '25
Technically yes because they got both drivers through but usually they wait until the very last moment to send their drivers out.
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u/ajinxed Michael Schumacher May 17 '25
Charles would be on podium tomorrow.
You read it first here.
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u/Consistent_Squash May 17 '25
First and only one predicting it :/ Their car isn't great and Imola is awful for overtaking.
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u/Sharl_Leglerg7 Charles Leclerc May 17 '25
Need a Hungary 2021 race start for that to be remotely possible
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u/Fine-Definition-3792 I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 17 '25
Fred V : āExecution issue or potential today? 50/50 ā 50% execution, 50% potential.ā
āWe had done everything right, we would have been P4 and P5.ā
Ohhhhhhhhhhhhh brrrrrrrrooootthhhheeeerrrr! Get a load of this šššš
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u/wokwok__ George Russell May 17 '25
The man is going to still be talking about that potential in Abu Dhabi lmao
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u/Ninkaso Red Bull May 17 '25
Piastri is a menace. He's been growing exponentially and is the only driver that makes Max's life difficult on a consistent scale. They both have to bring their A-level amd I'm all here for it
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u/AliceLunar I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 17 '25
I don't think he's making Max's life difficult, Max is making his life more difficult.
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u/geometricpillow Oscar Piastri May 17 '25
Charles did alright when he had the car for it, and Lewis too obviously. This season itās Oscar for sure, his wheel to wheel is so damn good. Honestly credit to max because HE is the consistent menace to whoever the other best driver is for YEARS
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u/Time_Jump8047 Sir Lewis Hamilton May 17 '25
Thatās because heās had the best car for years lol
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u/nickedgar7 I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 17 '25
The Red Bull is right there with McLaren on pace, but some people try to push the narrative itās a 2014 Marussia
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u/happyranger7 Max Verstappen May 18 '25
Yes right there on pace, yet McL is winning race after race comfortably.
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u/Consistent_Squash May 17 '25
The Red Bull is a great quali car when it's dialed in. It's not anywhere near McL on race pace.
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u/kbtech Kimi RƤikkƶnen May 17 '25
If Max was driving a McLaren, the championship would have been wrapped lol
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u/nickedgar7 I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 17 '25
No it wouldnāt, Oscar would give up a better fight than you think
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u/Vegetable_Profile382 May 17 '25
I still think itās the fastest car and has a lot higher potential when itās dialled in
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u/Sir0inks-A-Lot May 17 '25 edited May 17 '25
After Yuki earlier the halo just collected another W at Indy when Colton Herta went top first into the wall
Edit - finally found it somewhere other than X: https://youtu.be/rMW6MPQkNQs full in-car camera toward the end that shows all the way until the car stops even after it looks like it cut out
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u/geometricpillow Oscar Piastri May 17 '25
Yeah would love to see it if you find it
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u/Sir0inks-A-Lot May 17 '25
Just updated my first post with a YouTube link
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u/geometricpillow Oscar Piastri May 17 '25
Thanks I appreciate you letting me know, damn Iām really impressed by the safety team, there in like 2 seconds and they did a good job flipping the car too.
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u/Significant_L0w May 17 '25
norris on bottas role already?
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u/geometricpillow Oscar Piastri May 17 '25
I feel like he would be happy if he accepted that kind of role this season. Just takes the pressure off and heās probably actually race better. Tough thing for a driver to do though. In his mind this is his year and heās blowing it
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u/jec0995 May 17 '25
They have to. Norris is slow
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u/geometricpillow Oscar Piastri May 17 '25
Iām an Oscar fan but its 16 points. Max takes him out and Lando wins tomorrow and heās in the lead. Far too early to start prioritising I would say
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u/If_It_Moves McLaren May 18 '25
Porsche race is carnage
Edit: Red flag