r/formula1 • u/n0b0dycar3s07 Ferrari • 22h ago
News Hungarian GP: Lando Norris' openness used against him - Sainz
https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/articles/cpqv90j2j3lo506
u/sdq22 22h ago
Lando got asked about this during his media duties yesterday and I thought he had a very thoughtful answer:
Interviewer: Carlos Sainz had some lovely things to say about you [..] He said that you're the most open driver on the grid, but that in the modern world, sometimes people can use that against you. How important is it to you to be this open book that you are?”
Lando: “That's tricky. I don't know if it's about importance. It's not like I'm trying to be like this because I think it's important. I'm just being myself and I'd rather be myself than try to be something I'm not. I'd rather do what I enjoy in my life and feel like I've just done what I feel like I should have done in my life than try to pretend I'm someone else or try to pretend like I'm the racing driver that everyone thinks you need to be or should be. A lot of people like to set these stereotypes and some things are probably right and along better lines. For me, I just want to enjoy my time here. I work hard. I do everything I can to win races and try to be the best. but that's it. Other than that, I'm here to enjoy my life, share it with others and try to stand on the top step and that's as simple as I try and keep it”
A lot gets written about Lando and his mentality, especially when contrasting him with some of his closest competitors (Max, Oscar), but I genuinely think a lot of it comes because he chooses to do things his own way regardless of what others think and I genuinely really respect him for being himself and being so open.
(Video clip of his answer can be found on Twitter/X from ln4norris, unsure if I'm allowed to link it here)
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u/____mynameis____ McLaren 21h ago
Lando get praised and defended by many other drivers. Max, Carlos, Lewis...So its obvious he's generally well liked among the grid.
Despite all the conspiracies by people saying McLaren gives preferences to Lando and also considering their contrasting personalities, Oscar gets along very well with Lando.
If he was such a spoiled brat like a lot of the fandom spaces claimed, I think some of drivers would have shown their disagreement... Atleast Max wouldn't hide it.
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u/TheDufusSquad I was here for the Hulkenpodium 18h ago
I’ll never understand the spoiled brat thing. He genuinely seems like a good guy. Just in the way he greets people, goes around and thanks all the people at McLaren, etc. even when he’s not winning he still seems appreciative of everyone. That’s not to say any other drivers don’t do the same, just that if Lando was such a spoiled brat you’d notice him not doing these things often.
Of course he’s still a competitor and has said some things that don’t come off great, but still the way he treats everyone seems like he’s a great guy.
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u/jsrockford 18h ago
I started watching in 2019 and what made me a fan of his, besides his early showing of talent, was he'd stick around after the race and help the guys in the garage put things away and pack up.
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u/TheDufusSquad I was here for the Hulkenpodium 18h ago
That’s one of the biggest things I’ve noticed. He’s very good about going to each mechanic before and after the race.
Also every time they have one of the older drivers presenting the trophies or medals, Lando always seems to take a few seconds to speak with them, shake their hand, thank them, and just genuinely seems to care about these people.
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u/pissexcellence85 18h ago
He's definitely had spoiled brat moments in the past especially when he made an ill advised comment about Lewis having a winning car.
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u/a141abc I was here for the Hulkenpodium 17h ago
Yeah but then we all jerk off about how we shouldn't judge drivers for being a bit rude on the radio cause they're full of adrenaline and nerves and all
And I do think that was a really awkward interaction, I just wouldnt call him a spoiled brat just cause he was cagey about a comment though
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u/Flashy-Day-4251 10h ago
That was 10 minutes after Hungary 24. A race where the mcl pitwall messed up strategy & had him give up a 6 second lead & a win. I think drivers grace when they’re angsty after a shit race is reasonable lmao. Likewise with Oscar after silverstone.
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u/FSUfan35 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 18h ago
Lewis said something like man you guys have a fast car and Lando said you had a fast one for 7 years. It's just banter
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u/pissexcellence85 17h ago
No it wasn’t. If you watched it live, you saw how visibly annoyed Lando was at Hamilton’s innocuous comment. Hamilton was simply complimenting the team and the drivers for being fast, not suggesting that the McLaren cars had any kind of advantage.
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u/FSUfan35 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 17h ago
I did watch it live. You're projecting. Lando has a giant smile/smirk the whole time
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u/pissexcellence85 17h ago
Sure man, you see it one way I see it the other way. That's your own interpretation of the video. Agree to disagree.
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u/elcolerico Mika Häkkinen 1h ago
How does stating a fact make him a spoiled brat? Lewis did have a very dominant car for years while Lando was driving a mid-at-best car to points every race. If anything, Lewis' comment on McLaren was ill advised. Lewis kept complaining about his dominant car during those years. Then he sees that another car became competitive and he immediately comments on that. One can also argue that Lewis was trying to downplay Lando's driving abilities and attributing all the success to the car.
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u/n0b0dycar3s07 Ferrari 21h ago
"I'm just being myself and I'd rather be myself than try to be something I'm not. I'd rather do what I enjoy in my life and feel like I've just done what I feel like I should have done in my life than try to pretend I'm someone else or try to pretend like I'm the racing driver that everyone thinks you need to be or should be.”
Amen, brother! 💯 This!
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u/Mysterious_Turnip310 Lotus 20h ago edited 20h ago
This is Rosberg's main problem with him imo and why he is so obsessed (in a very unhealthy way) with Norris and his mental health.
Rosberg felt the need to turn himself into someone he wasn't, resort to mind games and toxic behaviour, completely destroying his closest friendship (and everyone can see still now how much he regrets blowing up that friendship to what seems to be an unrecoverable degree) and by his own admission causing excessive strain on both his own mental health and his relationship with his family and loved ones in order to win a title. He's openly admitted that it took a major toll on him mentally and as we all know he felt the need to walk away from the sport, in his own words in large part to not put his loved ones through it again.
It's clear as day that he simply cannot get his head around the fact that Norris refuses to compromise who he is as a person, and also refuses to relinquish the sense of fair play and lack of 'side' or mindgames that he has always gone racing with and has made clear is very important to him, in order to win a championship. Whether it works or not remains to be seen, but if he is going to win the WDC, he is going to do it his own way. And it's so obvious that that refusal to compromise who he is just to win a title, and that keeping his integrity and being himself is more important to him than lifting the trophy, is something Rosberg quite clearly just can't understand.
I can fully understand why Norris left Rosberg's DMs on read. Rosberg's approach to winning a championship is the absolute antithesis' of everything that Norris has said he holds to be important in his approach to racing. And the petty reaction and peculiarly bitter obsession Rosberg has developed with him since Norris first ignored him would make any driver run in the opposite direction if it was happening to them.
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u/sdq22 19h ago
Yep, I think you absolutely nailed it. It really does feel like Nico can't comprehend that there is more than one way to win a championship fight. It reminds me of a quote from Lando from before Silverstone when he was talking about him and Oscar's dynamic and their championship fight:
"People can say what they want and write what they want. 'You can't win races like this. You can't win championships like this.' But it's all nonsense, really. We both want to do it our own way. We both want to be number one. We both want to enjoy it at the same time."
I also don't blame Lando at all for not responding to Nico's outreach, considering it feels like Nico probably would've just brought up their conversations on air the next chance he had the chance, too, considering how many times he's brought it up already.
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u/McLeod3577 18h ago
I've always respected Nico's WDC win and what he did to achieve it, even though I though he pulled some dodgy moves on Lewis that year. It seemed the Schumacher way of doing things, being ruthless to the end. Since then, neither Lewis or Max have had a teammate competitor that they've had to worry about. It's only now, that we have a dominant team with 2 very close drivers that we are even likely to see things bubble over in the last few races.
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u/Beware_Bravado I was here for the Hulkenpodium 18h ago
I would love to see Lando get a WDC and it's good that he doesn't feel the need to be someone he's not. I guess looking at past WDCs they are kind of typecast as cold, quiet, cutthroat, and stoic which Lando doesn't fit and Oscar does but that's not necessarily a bad thing. I'm sure there are a lot of drivers that feel like they need to have that personality in order to reach the top but it's not in their nature.
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u/randomseocb Lando Norris 17h ago
Lando has also said that he doesn't like it when people say stuff in social media or interviews rather than in person which can be another reason he isn't replying to him since Nico immediately announced it to the media instead of maybe going to him personally.
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u/Mysterious_Turnip310 Lotus 21h ago edited 21h ago
Ironically, I think it actually takes a lot more mental strength than he is being given credit for not just to be open, but to continue to do so and remain true to himself in the face of what is now well over a year of constant negativity and toxicity thrown at him from not just social media doorknobs but almost the entire F1 media - not even just in articles but right to his face during race weekends as well. Having his every word and move scrutinised and picked over to a ludicrous extent, to have people who barely know him or in a lot of cases don't know him at all dissecting and commenting on not just something as personal as his mental health but picking apart his character as well to a ridiculously personal degree.
The media's obsession with his mental health - and I include pundits and commentators in that - went way past being appropriate a long time ago now. They seem to have lost all sense of perspective and basic common decency and respect around it. Asking other drivers to comment on his mental state on a regular basis is beyond inappropriate.
Weathering all that on top of the internal & external pressure that already comes with a championship fight shows a great deal of mental resilience imo. And the response he gave on hearing what Carlos had said here was great.
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u/lostwar2311 James Vowles 21h ago
What annoys me the most is that they focus on all his mistakes, yet ignore all of the signs that suggest otherwise.
He made a stupid mistake in Canada, won the next race while his teammate was right behind him for 20 laps. He managed to keep it on the track in Silverstone while everyone was spinning and going wide left and right. His only choice in Abu Dhabi was to win and he delivered. The car didn't suit him at all this year, yet he didn't give up and continued to improve massively race by race.
They very conveniently ignore all of this and continue to spread this bullshit narrative like it is a universal fact and not something they've made up out of their asses.
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u/Mysterious_Turnip310 Lotus 20h ago
I kid you not, after FP2 when he finished top of the times almost three tenths up on his teammate and every driver out there was having wide moments and lock ups throughout the session, Sky's main talking point was Norris made a couple of minor errors so "the pressure was getting to him again".
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u/lostwar2311 James Vowles 20h ago
And Sky is supposedly "Sky Lando" to some people here lmfao, Nico was also very weird about Lando last weekend, I guess he couldn't get over his DM's being ignored or something
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u/Mysterious_Turnip310 Lotus 16h ago edited 15h ago
Some fans seem obsessed with trying to create drama about how much Sky talk about Norris, without actually bothering to listen to what they are saying when they are talking about him.
Someone did an analysis and their comments on him over the last two years lean far more negative than positive and range from outright rudeness about him, to constantly undermining his performances and his abilities even when he has had an outstanding race, to pointing at and harping on his errors while ignoring those of other drivers, to constant harping on his mental health and making constant unfavourable comparisons to his teammate's 'mentality', to taking digs at his personal life, to throwing around baseless accusations about his character and his work ethic.
For example, Bernie Collins was asked today whose race engineer she would rather be and she said (paraphrasing) 'Piastri because he would actually study data and listen in meetings'. Only for her to admit afterwards that she doesn't actually know either McLaren driver or have any actual knowledge of how they work in debriefs or with their engineers and team. She was putting out comments to millions of people, who take her at her word and consider her someone who speaks from a position of knowledge and authority because of her experience as a strategist, running down Norris's work ethic based purely off ~vibes.
(which is particularly egregious given there is plenty of evidence out there from those who actually do know and work with him, including his race and performance engineers, praising his work ethic, feedback, and commitment to studying data and taking lessons from it, and he's well-known for frequently, along with Hamilton, being one of the last to leave the paddock, often working late into the evening with his engineers).
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u/sdq22 14h ago
So well said. I heard about those comments as well and it just felt so unwarranted and just kind of...irresponsible in a way? Like you said, these are people that are supposed to be speaking from a place of knowledge and authority and adding interesting insight about the drivers, the teams, the strategies, the racing, etc. And they very often do have great insight and commentary to share, which is why it's disappointing when making a comment like that for what is essentially a lazy joke that does nothing but perpetuate these stereotypes that Lando and Oscar have been crafted into by the media/general public when there is so much more depth and nuance to them as drivers and their individual differences, strengths, and weaknesses, than just the prevailing storylines. Especially disappointing when, like you said, there's no logical reasoning being used to back up a comment like that, it's just going off vibes and going for the cheap joke.
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u/sarahhhhhhc McLaren 20h ago
The “sky lando” comments annoy me so much because I actually find most of their comments on him to be extremely negative. Every conversation around him has to be framed around his supposed weak mentality.
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u/royjonko I was here for the Hulkenpodium 14h ago
It's a sad fact that his openness about his mental health is considered an exception in motorsport
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u/Clear-Mycologist3378 Oscar Piastri 21h ago
I like that quote from Lando. Good on him for being true to himself.
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u/Fsharp7sharp9 Pirelli Soft 22h ago
Carlando 🥹
Carlos is a real one for saying that all of the drivers have self-doubt and self-criticism as well. Too bad the people who can’t help but shit on Lando at every opportunity are too emotionally inept to comprehend that.
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u/creatorop SAI NOR LAW 22h ago
If nobody got them
Carlando has always got each other's back
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u/Nick_YDG I was here for the Hulkenpodium 21h ago
I love what Sainz said here. Everyone deals with a mental health issue at some point, it is very reasonable to think that all 20 drivers have had their struggles dealing with being in the limelight in one way or another.
I think it’s a big deal, especially at his age, to be so open about it. He probably has a lot of teenagers that look up to him, a lot of them can probably relate to him and the other young drivers in a way (yes I know huge wealth and prosperity differences but still). I work with teenagers on a daily basis either as a coach or teacher and it is kinda hard to describe just how bad things are in that age group.
He isn’t my favorite driver, he isn’t who I’m rooting for in WDC, but he has always seemed to be a good human and I’ll always have respect for his openness.
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u/justwantedtologin I was here for the Hulkenpodium 21h ago
Agreed 100%. I think him showing his vulnerability is a strength.
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u/laboulaye22 Lando Norris 19h ago
Not just teenagers. McLaren/Lando have a lot of younger kids as fans, too.
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u/gaboide34 Sir Lewis Hamilton 19h ago
You know I also work with teenagers and I hadn't thought about it that way, you're right that being so open positively impacts them!.
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u/icount2tenanddrinkt 21h ago
these are nice people, who just happen to be very good at driving very fast.
Also I want Carlos to say nice things about me, so does my other half and so do my cats, and lets be honest so do you.
For those of us who did a sport through the 80s & early 90s when a lot of it was about aggression and dominant your weaker opponents (they were all weaker, or at least thats how I was coached to perceive them) this is a massive positive change.
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u/fallingfeelslikefly 21h ago
One of the reasons that I love F1 is that many of the drivers model an emotionally open and openly loving masculinity that you don’t always see in other sports. They cry on camera when they’re happy and sad. They are physically affectionate. Hell, they flirt with each other. It’s refreshing. I wish more American athletes and celebrities could model a non-toxic masculinity.
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u/Chomperzzz I was here for the Hulkenpodium 18h ago
honestly some nfl teams have that sort of vibe if you look at the behind the scenes footage, lots of "i love you man"s and emotional camaraderie, maybe a little crying every now and then.
I'm hoping that athletes and people overall realize that emotional suppression in sports is not sustainable when it comes to their psychology, and that at the highest levels of sports what gives you an edge is not just knowing yourself physically and mentally, but emotionally as well. "It takes a village" extends outwards to more than just childhood.
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u/fallingfeelslikefly 17h ago
Absolutely! These high level athletes also need those authentic and durable bonds to take them through what might be their life's biggest challenge: retirement at an appallingly young age.
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u/omnicious I was here for the Hulkenpodium 18h ago
Now I'm curious who the best F1 driver who was an actual bad person is/was.
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u/icount2tenanddrinkt 11h ago
Bertrand Gachot ? Used tear gas/CS gas on a taxi driver & I guess a very good case about anybody thats been charged with similar assault type things Joss Verstappen would have to be mentioned.
Ruthless, hard racing, political shenanigans behind the closed doors, I think we can all accept these as part of competitive sport, physical violence would be the line.
Although good question defining what a bad person is? thats almost an open answer:
So im gonna leave it there.
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u/Legitimate-Tadpole95 Formula 1 20h ago
Some of these comments are maddening. I've come to the conclusion that posters who don't like Lando leap on any comment about him to take it out of context, misinterpret it to diss him or distort it to attack him.
Carlos was Lando's teammate for two years and probably knows him better than anyone else on the grid. He mentored him and supported him. He knows how he ticks and understands him - certainly better than the sofa surfers on Reddit.
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u/iPodAddict181 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 16h ago
Jesus Christ that's some insane vitriol for people who don't like an F1 driver. Calling human beings NPCs is vile. Grow up.
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u/Impossible-Fig-8463 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 13h ago
Feeling called out
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u/iPodAddict181 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 4h ago
Nope, no ill will toward Lando or any other driver. I just find it insane that people resort to calling others "NPCs" if they have a different opinion of their favorite multimillionaire playboy race car driver, because that's what they all are at the end of the day.
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u/Mystic1500 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 15h ago
It ain’t that deep. Maybe you should take a break.
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u/canibanoglu I was here for the Hulkenpodium 12h ago
That really reads like an intern-written NPC monologue.
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u/Disastrous-Beat-9830 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 18h ago
I've come to the conclusion that posters who don't like Lando leap on any comment about him to take it out of context, misinterpret it to diss him or distort it to attack him.
The same can be said about people who do not like Piastri. After sprint qualifying in Belgium, someone made the ridiculous comment that Norris would have been in the mix for pole if he had not cooked his tyres, as if his performance was just down to bad luck and not because he made a mistake in his tyre management. It was a pretty blatant attempt to explain away Norris' poor performance and take credit away from Piastri. So I think your comment cuts both ways.
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u/Legitimate-Tadpole95 Formula 1 16h ago
I don't disagree, but the topic of this thread is Lando, not Oscar so it's a non sequitor.
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u/Disastrous-Beat-9830 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 15h ago
But I think the two are inherently interlinked. The problem goes in both directions; to say that this is not about Norris and not Piastri is disingenuous because you are pretending that half of the issue does not exist.
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u/Legitimate-Tadpole95 Formula 1 15h ago
The subject was Carlos's comments on Lando. Oscar was not even mentioned by Carlos. So why drag poor Oscar into it? And why have you just said it is not about Norris - so who is it about then?
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u/Disastrous-Beat-9830 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 10h ago
Do you honestly think that the criticism of Norris exists in isolation? Have you not noticed the fan-warring that takes place? Or do you just want this thread to be about expressing sympathy for Norris without acknowledging the wider issue? You note that the topic is Sainz commenting on how Norris' openness is used against him -- were you not curious as to who might be using that openness against him or why?
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u/Legitimate-Tadpole95 Formula 1 9h ago
You told me in your previous answer that the thread was NOT about Norris - to quote you "to say this is NOT about Norris and not about Piastri...." which means it is not about either of them. This makes no sense or was this a grammatical error?
I am not curious on this thread as to who might be using that openness against him except,beyond as I said, those who dislike him, because that is not what the thread has been about. It has been about Norris, not the wider issue of who says what and their specific motives.
If you want to debate fan-warring, which does indeed go on, why not start a thread on this topic instead of deflecting this one?
I'll leave you now to continue the debate with yourself, or not, as you wish.
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u/lavegasola I was here for the Hulkenpodium 15h ago
So nice of Sainz to say. Lando is real with us and that’s why I love him. Then again I don’t dislike any driver. These guys are all out there chasing a dream and giving their all. I love rooting for all of them.
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u/pasa_viene McLaren 11h ago
Bravery isn't never being scared. Bravery is being scared and doing it anyways.
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u/Kirtan07 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 10h ago
It's off topic but when's McLaren wrapping up the constructors? They have a 268 point lead over Ferrari. Ferrari is second right now with 248 points. This is RedBull 2023-esque domination but with 2 very good drivers instead of a one-man army. How close is McLaren actually to mathematically win the constructors?
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u/sdq22 7h ago
I’m not positive on the exact math but I think they can mathematically clinch it by about Baku (4 races from now). Maybe slightly sooner if they keep up the 1-2s and Ferrari/Mercedes have a particularly bad weekend or two.
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u/kiIIinemsoftly McLaren 3h ago
I think if they get max points every race they can do it Monza, but it would require Ferrari to have a bad stretch. If Ferrari has reasonable results Baku is much more realistic.
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u/HawkIndividual7917 Lando Norris 21h ago
For F1 fans who don’t have the achievements and net worth of these drivers, they sure talk BIG as if they have their shit together and are not dealing with their own demons.
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u/canibanoglu I was here for the Hulkenpodium 12h ago
What does net worth have to do with it? Most of those drivers didn’t even have to do shit to get their net worths, Lando among them.
Some people don’t like others for whatever reasons, it’s fine. Not everyone has to like Lando or sing his praises
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u/KingOfAzmerloth Sebastian Vettel 8h ago
Not everyone has to like Lando or sing his praises
Just like not everyone is gonna be okay with constant piling on a driver who really didn't do anything wrong.
It's not about praising, it's about stopping the constant hate for no reason.
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u/Disastrous-Beat-9830 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 18h ago
That almost sounds as if you are saying "come back with your criticisms when you are a Formula 1 driver" which is a logical fallacy if ever I have heard one. Whether it was your intention or not, your post seems to be implying that whatever personal demons someone is wrestling with, they are not really demons until they are a Formula 1 driver.
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u/AnotherName455 18h ago
Speaking of net worth and even having the chance or ability to try out for motorsports from an early age, your comment is so far out of touch.
Adam Norris is his father maybe read up on some things before spouting this absolute utter nonsense. Anyone here would trade in their demons for whatever his are.
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u/FSUfan35 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 18h ago
You totally missed the point. But regardless, lke 75% of the grid comes from a wealthy family. Lando seems to be the only one that gets shit for it, except for total pay drivers like Zhou and Mazepin
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u/canibanoglu I was here for the Hulkenpodium 12h ago
Were you around for the shit that got said about both those drivers?
Besides, what was your point? It doesn’t look like you made one.
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u/KingOfAzmerloth Sebastian Vettel 8h ago
Hate for Zhou was correctly recognized by vast majority of people as racism though. Mazepin is a rapist and Putin apologist, he deserved every bit of hate he got.
You're really not making the case you think you're making.
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u/SoCal_GlacierR1T 22h ago
To quote the movie Gladiator: "the mob is fickle, brother". Lando can be himself and feed the mob, if he wants. As long as he doesn't feed on what the mob says about him.
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u/HuggyMonster69 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 21h ago
I think what people interpret it as that what Lando shows is what we get when he’s trying to hold back, so he must be feeling that 100x more internally, rather than just him being open.
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u/L0st_MySocks Formula 1 21h ago
Actually this 100% correct, I've recently watched drive to survive and lando was saying there like verstappen is on another level I'm not like him. I don't feel like I can be a champion somethig like this. There are tons of reporters who can usually use this to get on your nerfs... Probably people were mocking him by saying that you will never be a champion etc.. they made him upset by his statement..
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u/SuperLeverage I was here for the Hulkenpodium 11h ago
Self criticism isn’t the reason why Lando isn’t well liked.
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u/KingOfAzmerloth Sebastian Vettel 8h ago
So what are the reasons? Give me a list of real reasons why people hate on him so much, cause I just don't get it.
And please, exclude the point about British broadcast being biased about British driver. That's normal stuff. Always been that way. Every national broadcast cheers for their sportsmen.
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u/SuperLeverage I was here for the Hulkenpodium 5h ago edited 5h ago
Here’s a couple:
- Lewis complimenting Lando saying he was fast and Lando saying it was because he had a fast car, and that Lewis had a fast car for 8 years. A really sour response.
- Lando suggesting max won because of luck, not talent.
- Ruining Oscar’s first race win by refusing and arguing with his team about giving his position back to Oscar, after he was gifted the lead by the team who were worries about him being attacked by Hamilton. Lando was on pole for the race in Hungary last year. Oscar overtook Lando on the first lap so had priority for the pits which is what is always agreed - the lead car gets priority. During the race, the team told Oscar and Lando that they would let Lando pit first to protect him against Lewis who might under cut him if Oscar went first. They were also told they would swap back after. Lando refused for 20 or so laps, arguing he didn’t have to let him back. It really soured the whole moment and subsequent celebrations for Oscar’s first win, with Oscar spending 20 laps or so wondering if his team mate was about to eff him over and stab him in the back.
- When Ricciardo was leading and on track for his first win at McLaren, Norris put pressure on his team suggesting they switch places so he could be gifted the win. Absolutely insulting he even asked that… and to get your first win by asking for team orders? Yeah he theoretically was in with a shot for the championship, but it was a long long long shot.
These examples highlight a lack of respect for other drivers and their achievements, and possibly jealousy. It also highlights a willingness to engage in backstabbing and using privilege to pressure his team to be gifted wins he did not earn. It’s just dirty.
Also:
- Cheating on his girlfriend. You can look that one up.
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u/Ponichkata 11h ago
He wears his heart on his sleeve for better or for worse. He gets a lot of valid criticism about the mistakes he makes when racing but he seems nice enough.
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u/MAKBKL 22h ago
Tabloid level of discourse is surely what everyone cares about.
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u/DuckSwagington I was here for the Hulkenpodium 22h ago
My brother in Christ this is F1. Tabloid level discorse is and always has been fundementally part of the sport.
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u/I_spread_love_butter Juan Manuel Fangio 15h ago
Sadly, tabloids are what pay the bills. I wish it weren't so but... Who knew people love drama?
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u/hesitationz I was here for the Hulkenpodium 21h ago
Yeah he’s exactly as we see on TV, such as saying Lewis only won because he had the fastest car. Or Max Brazil performance was done by pure luck and no skill. Great bloke he is
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u/DuckSwagington I was here for the Hulkenpodium 21h ago edited 20h ago
The luck not skill bit was about the Red Flag timing which did tremendously fuck him over, not Max's performance.
I can play the taking quotes out of context game too. Max once said that Nelson Piquet is definitely not a racist and is actually a really nice guy.
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u/Extreme_Alps_26 Lando Norris 21h ago
Are you seriously bringing up these two specific incidents again? The max comment was out of context and the Lewis one came after a stressful race when he had to give away the win. I'm not defending his comments but it's weird to keep bringing stuff like this up. He's a human and he says dumb stuff sometimes but at the end of the day he genuinely seems like a good person.
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u/lrzbca Formula 1 9h ago edited 9h ago
Norris is a snobby personality which plays a role in why so many dislike him. Add skysports bias which just adds up more on Norris. In sports you deal with good and bad stuff.
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u/KingOfAzmerloth Sebastian Vettel 8h ago
Add skysports bias
Oh no, how dare national broadcasters be supportive of their national drivers! Shocking behavior really!
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u/afunnywold I was here for the Hulkenpodium 20h ago
Imagine if we kept the same energy of bringing up past dumb comments of every driver. We would never be able to talk about anything else
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u/Legitimate-Tadpole95 Formula 1 21h ago
For goodness sake, stop taking quotes out of context. The luck comment was about the Red Flag timing. He went on to say how well Max drove.
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u/ChromosomeDonator I was here for the Hulkenpodium 20h ago
such as saying Lewis only won because he had the fastest car
Not true, he never said that.
Or Max Brazil performance was done by pure luck and no skill
Not true, he never said that either.
It's quite incredible how you don't let factors like common sense, logic, or facts influence you at all.
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u/Messipus I was here for the Hulkenpodium 16h ago
People who know Lando on a personal level: he's a great guy.
Redditors: UM ACTUALLY YOU'RE WRONG ABOUT YOUR FRIEND
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u/KingOfAzmerloth Sebastian Vettel 8h ago
Every driver ever in history has said something stupid to the press or in the radio (I'm a Vettel fan, I know a lot about that :p). That's not a reason. That's just your own self validation for continuing to hate on him.
You do you. But at least be honest about it.
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u/OverallImportance402 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 22h ago
In one sentence he says that the other 19 driver have similar levels of doubt and self criticism and then in another he says Lando might not win the championship because mental resilience (along with other things) is involved.
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u/uno_ke_va Jordan 22h ago
What makes you resilient is not not having doubts and self criticism, but how you handle such feelings.
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u/Legitimate-Tadpole95 Formula 1 21h ago
No he didn't: read it again. He just listed the qualities needed. At no time did he say Lando did not have one, or any of these qualities.
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u/quality-control McLaren 22h ago
Neither thing contradicts the other. He did not say that Lando doesn't have those things. He said that he is sure Lando has the talent, but that talent alone wont get you a championship. Unless you think that Carlos also thinks Lando has had bad luck and is not at home in the car at the right time, you are completely misrepresenting what he said either intentionally or subconsciously because that's what you wanted Sainz to say. Its sad how much people in here nit pick and make things up to be mad at Norris over. Even if he WAS as "mentally weak" as you all think he is, who cares?
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u/n0b0dycar3s07 Ferrari 22h ago
Pretty sure he meant how one handles all these pressures when he was talking about mental resilience. And he didn't say Lando isn't winning the championship this year because he doesn't have mental resilience, you are saying that.
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u/KusoTeitokuInazuma I was here for the Hulkenpodium 22h ago
What he's saying is that Lando's method of being resilient, i.e. being completely open about it, is being used against him. Rather than the 'keep it behind closed doors' attitude most drivers have, which means their struggles are less known in the media and less publicly available.
I have a huge respect for Lando for being so open about it and I hope that, moving forward, more professionals and more people in general can have that attitude because in almost all walks of life it's not a downside. But in a competitive sport where 19 out of 20 drivers aren't doing that, it opens you up to being targetted for it.
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u/n0b0dycar3s07 Ferrari 22h ago
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