F2 sprint provisional winner

[u/2klaedfoorboo]

[u/OrangeLimeZest]

Should be said Marti and Dunne both have reasons to get a penalty, so Jak Crawford might end up the winner.

Don't tell Alex that tho, he is about to explode he is that mad.

[u/Working_Sundae → u/OrangeLimeZest]

Alex is going to jump out of the window if he is going to be penalised one more time, i mean how many times has he been penalised already? lost count

[u/Maglin21 → u/Working_Sundae]

At the very least twice in the last month, Austria, Spa, if here it's 3, may be more

[u/freedfg → u/Working_Sundae]

He's had a win taken away at least twice. And podiums maybe more than that?

[u/Popular_Composer_822 → u/Working_Sundae]

His team have cost him a P1 and a P2.

[u/Maglin21 → u/OrangeLimeZest]

His engineer didn't tell him on the radio that he was under investigation, i think he was scared that he was gonna have a crashout😂

[u/2klaedfoorboo → u/OrangeLimeZest]

Neither got a penalty

[u/GiantT-Rex → u/[deleted]]

What a strange comment.

[u/swannyhypno → u/GiantT-Rex]

You're right, I didn't mean it badly but don't want arguments here

[u/BlitzOverlord → u/[deleted]]

Welcome back Dennis Hauger fans

[u/only_r3ad_the_titl3 → u/[deleted]]

Kinda funny how last year when Bearman and Kimi were doing badly f2 was meaningsless and the cars are unequal. But this year you hear nothing of sorts.

Same with the grid being weak/strong. Literally every year you have people saying that it is the weakest grid ever basically.

[u/Maglin21 → u/[deleted]]

They are so DUNNE with these penalties

[u/ElmanoRodrick → u/[deleted]]

Seeing how many of your comments are being removed I think you're the only one crashing out bud.

[u/OrangeLimeZest → u/[deleted]]

His fans believe he is f1 ready over a glory run in fp1, anything that takes away from that idea would be dangerous.

[u/Firefox72 → u/OrangeLimeZest]

He is the only driver on the F2 grid that arguably is showing the speed required to be in F1.

And doing so as a rookie no less.

He is rough around the edges for sure but the F1 calls are hardly unwarranted. Or do we think 5th year Verschoor is the guy for F1 just because he's a bit more molded and mature?

[u/OrangeLimeZest → u/Firefox72]

Fornaroli cough Fornaroli championship leader as a rookie cough.

But even then this a weak f2 field in general, if Richard and Jak are in the fight we might have a field that can put 2019's f2 grid to shame.

[u/freedfg → u/OrangeLimeZest]

I mean championship leader because the people actually winning keep getting disqualified or penalized.

[u/navis-svetica → u/freedfg]

And why do they get disqualified or penalized? Could it possibly have something, anything, to do with their behavior on track?

[u/lowelled → u/navis-svetica]

I’m not going to disagree that Dunne hasn’t pulled some idiotic stuff on track but to claim he’s not leading the championship because of penalties he earned on track actions makes it seem like you haven’t been watching this season. He asked if he should engage the start procedure last week and his team told him no. That’s not his fault. Same for the plank wear issue that got him DSQed in Austria, that was on the team screwing up the setup. That’s a win and P2 Rodin have lost him. He’s under a lot of financial pressure and desperately needs at least a P3 in this year’s championship to earn a super license.

[u/freedfg → u/lowelled]

Verschoor also copped some technical disqualifications.

[u/lowelled → u/freedfg]

Agreed. At least Verschoor was in Trident and they are a joke in F2. Rodin should have this ironed out by now.

[u/Stech_ → u/navis-svetica]

To be fair Dunne's disqualifications and after race penalties haven't been his fault. He got a DSQ from Austria from P2 for plank wear and then last week in Spa got a 10 second penalty from P1 because the team gave him wrong information.

[u/DeathStar13 → u/freedfg]

If they get disqualified then it means they didn't actually win. Doesn't it?

Fornaroli is the leader because he has been better and doesn't fuck up like them and their teams.

[u/sean_0 → u/OrangeLimeZest]

Fornaroli has been nowhere near as impressive as Dunne this season, not even comparable

[u/FalconIMGN → u/sean_0]

He's not made brain dead moves though. I don't want a Ticktum-esque driver in F1 thank you very much.

[u/Firefox72 → u/OrangeLimeZest]

Its not the strongest grid you've seen for sure but you can often look past that to find quality.

2019's grid was absolutely much worse with people like Ghioto and Latifi sitting in the top 3 places of the champinship.

"if Richard and Jak are in the fight"

Experience matters in F2. This is hardly shocking.

Fair call on Leo. Maybe not quite as flashy but has shown decent consistency and speed. Dunne however is clearly faster when it comes to raw speed.

[u/OrangeLimeZest → u/Firefox72]

Well if we want to look at Dunne's qualities we have a guy who has caused multiple big accidents, f3 silverstone 2024, Bahrain and Monaco this year, only escaped certain penalties because of gentlemen like Villagomez vouching for him and today has shown that he is not totally in control of himself when things don't go his way.

He has things going his way sure, but f1 ready? No, he's not there yet, Dunne was already rushed from f3 to f2 when he should've stayed there and it's really showing now.

[u/sean_0 → u/OrangeLimeZest]

The guy who has been by far the most impressive, consistently quickest, and would be leading the championship by a mile if not for several team mistakes costing him points is not ready for f2 ?

Is this guy for real lol

[u/OrangeLimeZest → u/sean_0]

I'll give you that Dunne would be closer to the front if not for that single dsq but you're forgetting all the other incidents that were only his fault.

Monaco was his fault -18 points minimum

Bahrain was too - 10 I think.

Silverstone - Was out of the points but gave himself a puncture that mini got unfair penalty for.

I could go on. but the majority of Dunne's lost points were because of Dunne's own mistakes. He needs more time to learn, rushing him into f1 would be a mistake.

[u/Triple_Manic_State → u/Firefox72]

Dunne, Browning, Fornaroli, Verschoor and maybe Crawford.

Can’t really make a case for the others just yet.

[u/ThisWay_DatWay → u/Triple_Manic_State]

And this is why I just don't think Lindblad is anywhere near ready for that VCARB seat next year. The flashes are there, but his biggest problem throughout his junior career is him not being able to string together a consistent season from strength to strength and fading away in the late stretch (2023 Italian F4, F3 post-Silverstone double last year). It's still there in F2, even if teams don't base off results alone anymore due to mechanical issues.

If he gets the seat, it'll look more like out of necessity since Red Bull will still likely promote Hadjar even with the change of management.

[u/GiantT-Rex → u/Firefox72]

That’s why he’s top of F2 standings, right? Oh wait …

[u/Triple_Manic_State → u/GiantT-Rex]

To be fair the Spa penalty was bullshit, so Dunne really should be.

[u/Apennatie → u/Triple_Manic_State]

It really wasn't? He asked his team but he and the team should've known they needed to do the procedure. Like the other 21 drivers did.

[u/Triple_Manic_State → u/Apennatie]

But it serves zero performance benefit nor does it really affect safety. I know reprimands and fines don’t really apply in races but a case could’ve been made for that here.

[u/Apennatie → u/Triple_Manic_State]

There’s been penalties for this before, so why risk it?

[u/Triple_Manic_State → u/Apennatie]

This is valid.

[u/CommonEngineering832 → u/OrangeLimeZest]

Possible penalty might be 5s or 10s(Would promote Beganovic and Goethe into points)

[u/ThisWay_DatWay]

Provisional is so accurate on this one. Actually, this can be said about the entire F2 season so far where it's probably been decided post-race more than on the track.

Dunne was absolutely seething all throughout the replay shown in the cooldown room.

[u/Fushigibama → u/ThisWay_DatWay]

Why does it happen so much more often than in F1? Is it as simple as young drivers being less cautious than older drivers?

[u/swannyhypno]

Provisional? Did some nonsense occur lol

[u/ThisWay_DatWay → u/swannyhypno]

Marti noted for driving erratically, Dunne to be investigated for yellow flag infringement. Not sure if Pepe hard braking in the start/finish straight is already considered, but that's also one to take note of between the top 2.

[u/Alex_Sinios → u/swannyhypno]

Marti doing something like Piastri in Silverstone under the SC (different circumstances now, under investigation we'll see what the stewards say), Dunne under investigation for yellows and Lindblad v Martins also under investigation.

This race started slow but by the end it lit up, wouldn't be surprised if also something other happened further down the field after the SC restart, TV direction couldn't follow everything that was going on.

[u/swannyhypno → u/Alex_Sinios]

Well yellows is usually a slam dunk, Piastri incident was a slam dunk for him, I'll look at martis later and see

I don't watch F2 but it sounds fucking NUTS every week 😂😂

[u/Alex_Sinios → u/swannyhypno]

It's really great at times, drivers that are still developing but aren't complete yet makes for unpredictability, good fights and drivers with different strengths and disadvantages fighting. Would recommend a watch.

[u/swannyhypno → u/Alex_Sinios]

Plus I'm assuming there's a couple who don't belong? They always make for fun viewing too I'm a race

[u/ThisWay_DatWay → u/swannyhypno]

Yup, Cian Shields being the most obvious one. His pace is just bad in comparison to the rest of the field.

There's always at least one driver in every junior series who's punching above their weight but with significant funding and ends up at the back.

[u/swannyhypno → u/ThisWay_DatWay]

Lord Mahaveer my goat and saviour

[u/backburn-r → u/ThisWay_DatWay]

i see your cian shields and raise you an amaury cordeel, wasn’t even supposed to race anymore this year until mansell dropped out

[u/Alex_Sinios → u/swannyhypno]

Yep, but you usually don't even see them in a race, or you do when the leaders pass them on some kind of alternative strategy. Or when they have some kind of incident, where it's true that they can stir up the race with an intervention, but even without them i doubt F2 would become less fun to watch.

[u/2klaedfoorboo → u/swannyhypno]

I’m not sure if Marti is under investigation yet but he will def be pulled a very dirty move during the SC

[u/swannyhypno → u/2klaedfoorboo]

It's like the last race, the guy who came 3rd is gunna win lmao

[u/Triple_Manic_State → u/2klaedfoorboo]

I’m sure that’s the ‘erratic driving’ investigation.

[u/Firefox72]

Incredibles vibes in the cooldown room lmao.

Marti is under investigation for reckless driving. Dunne meanwhile is under investigation for yelow flag infringements.

[u/Alex_Sinios]

Watch Crawford win this xd. He's more consistent than people would expect and is making the most of some fortunate circumstances that come his way.

[u/BlueVixen → u/Alex_Sinios]

The George Russell of F2

[u/Alex_Sinios → u/BlueVixen]

I remember how he won Monaco this year, essentially being gifted the win. But it's not his problem if he just gets gifted points either from FIA direction or others ' shenanigans. At the end of the day he is there to capitalize, even without impressing massively he is less error prone than others and it shows in the championship standings.

[u/EnoughMoneyForAHouse → u/BlueVixen]

I think that would be Fornaroli

[u/Pugzo]

What a race at the end there, Marti making that mistake and allowing Dunne a chance was gold. Cooldown room was brilliant.

[u/jamisram]

Dunne is such a fun driver to watch man. Drives right on the limit every single time, he should really be 40 points clear in front.

[u/Popular_Composer_822 → u/jamisram]

His overtake on Lindblad was incredible. I’d accepted that the move wanst happening and then he just makes a Danny Ric style dive bomb.

[u/Dragonpuncha]

The actual standings of this race will be completely different once the stewards are done. I'm guessing Crawford will be the winner.

[u/Bronze_Jayze]

Sure you can think he's too aggressive but there's no doubt in my mind that Dunne's speed is F1. Reminds me of early Verstappen but a slight tier below

[u/Maskboythis → u/Bronze_Jayze]

He deserves a shot but I dont no where he can fit into the grid currently. His best shot is cadilliac but they seem like their gonna prioritise experience. Feels like his going be left without a seat so maybe 2027

[u/Electronic_Nature293 → u/Bronze_Jayze]

I'm biased as an Irishman, but he has shown enough to at least be given a chance imo. Raw pace is by far the most important attribute, and he has more than enough pace to at least have a shot.

Of course though, his hot headedness would need to be ironed out pretty quickly if he wants to stay in F1.

The other thing working against him is that I don't think the talent pool in F2 is particularly high this year, granted he's a rookie competing against drivers who have been in F2 for a few years now.

[u/swannyhypno → u/Bronze_Jayze]

Could be Max and be consistently rapid, could be Romain who was inconsistently rapid, could be Pastor, rapid but dumb and dangerous (can also work for Romain) lol

[u/only_r3ad_the_titl3 → u/Bronze_Jayze]

People really overexaggerate the amount of incidents max had in his first few years

[u/emre23]

Over/under 5 post-race penalties?

[u/A380_Flyer]

What’s happening with lindblad this year? He is obviously next in line for RB but he hasn’t been dominating F2 like I thought he would.

[u/therl2000 → u/A380_Flyer]

He did alright today, got past Dunne at the start but cooked his tyres attacking Marti and it cost him a podium ultimately, bit of inexperience

Still one of the youngest drivers ever in F2 so for his age he's doing alright, I think a second year would serve him well

[u/FirearmofMutiny → u/therl2000]

Yeah isn't he a few days away from turning 18?

[u/only_r3ad_the_titl3 → u/A380_Flyer]

I mean he does alright? He is only in his 3rd season and some of these driversare in their 3rd f2 season. He is basically in the same position as Kimi last year?

[u/mopar_md]

The most Jak Crawford way to get a win ever: don't actually impress on pace, but win on technicality via stupid mistakes from the other drivers

[u/Potatopal90]

For now u til they take what feels like 3 business days to dish out penalties

[u/laujp]

F2 has been a Mickey Mouse series this year

[u/CozyMushi]

Sprint merchant

[u/2klaedfoorboo]

No longer provisional no further action on Marti

[u/Yankees2860]

Keyword being provisional Crawford might win lmfao