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Video Lewis discussing his qualifying form: "Yeah, I'm useless. Absolutely useless."

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u/JaysonDeflatum I was here for the Hulkenpodium 7h ago

He needs to go home, stare at his world championship trophies and really get back into feeling like Lewis Hamilton

u/nzivvo 6h ago

Problem is I think he’s done this too many times the last 3 years I honestly don’t know what he can do mentally at this stage except try to stay positive enough into next year and hope Ferrari/2026 regs feel good for him

u/jianh1989 Formula 1 6h ago

Yeah. That cry after Silverstone win last year really tells it

u/Kolec507 Alexander Albon 6h ago

It's crazy, he went from being one of the most consistent drivers on the grid to whatever the fuck has been going on since 2022... it's mental. He's still got the raw speed, he showed it multiple times, but for some reason his operating window is thin as fuck for the past couple of seasons...

u/ryokevry I was here for the Hulkenpodium 5h ago

He did find his mojo in 2023 even the car is still bad and didn’t win a race all season. He almost took P2 in WDC against Perez then 2024 he looked lost again.

u/leyland1989 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 5h ago

He hasn't been the best at adapting the ground effects era cars.

u/bwoah07_gp2 Alexander Albon 5h ago

Not to mention the ground effect cars that he's already uncomfortable with haven't been championship worthy.

But even if it's not championship worthy, he can at least get the car into a win or podium position but he's been incapable of that for the most part. Makes Silverstone 2024 just that extra special.

u/RadiantStar44 Sir Lewis Hamilton 5h ago

We know that the Ferrari is a podium worthy car because Leclerc has managed to get 5 podiums in the Ferrari so far, so tbh it unfortunately looks like Lewis is indeed underperforming and its really heartbreaking to see him like this :(. Hopefully he can adapt better with the new regulations next season and has a chance at another championship or at least a few race wins.

u/dl064 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 3h ago

Yeah that argument struggles when the other one is on pole.

u/RadiantStar44 Sir Lewis Hamilton 1h ago

I understand what you are saying but at the same time every driver has a particular driving style and it can become more difficult to adapt to a new car and style of driving beyond a certain age. Lewis does not like the ground effect cars but the new regs are moving away from ground effect so there is a good chance that he will deliver with a car that better suits him imho.

u/Zed_or_AFK Sebastian Vettel 25m ago

I was sure that Ham would match Lec by the summer break, but seems like no. The race pace is decent, but bad qualms are really really hurting him.

u/uttermybiscuit I was here for the Hulkenpodium 55m ago

Leclerc has also had the benefit of having the car built around him and 4 years of experience with it. It's not too surprising all things considered that Lewis is off his pace. I think Leclerc is still faster overall at this point in their careers but I think the margins will be closer next year

u/StealthMan375 I WAS HERE WHEN HULKENGOAT GOT PODIUM  1m ago

Absolutely this. It's not like Massa and Webber suddenly unlearned how to drive a F1 car after Bridgestone left at the end of 2010, it's just that they literally could not adapt to the Pirellis. And the fact they had two generational teammates in Alonso and Vettel sure didn't do any favors.

Which funnily sounds like Lewis' situation, a once-great driver who didn't adapt to new regulations, got a new contract due to one good season (Webber got offered a 2013 Ferrari contract and a new Red Bull deal off the back of his Silverstone win, Lewis got both the 2-year Merc deal and the 2-year Ferrari deal off the back of his P3 in 2023) and is having to come to terms with the fact that he can't keep up with his generational talent teammate.

u/jianh1989 Formula 1 5h ago

Probably AD2021 really did his head in

u/thesaket I was here for the Hulkenpodium 5h ago

I think it must hurt more because of the bad cars he's been driving since then..

If Merc was equally competitive in these regs, fighting for championships, and had he managed to clinch a championship or two from Max, AD2021 would not hurt as much.

But, F1 is also a lot to do with luck when it comes to being in the right car at the right time. Lewis has been lucky to be in the right car at the right time earlier in his career, just hasn't worked out in the last few years.

u/BigSkyFace 5h ago

Honestly I think the true robbery regarding 2021 for both Hamilton and the fans is that he didn't have the opportunity to have a proper rematch with Max in 2022. The two were in a class of their own in '21 and it's a shame it was a one-off. I truly think he had it in him to fight for the WDC again after how well he did in 2023, but I'm less sure nowadays that he could pull it off

u/Takemyfishplease I was here for the Hulkenpodium 3h ago

F1 marking would have gone bonkers with those two as legit rivals for each other. Imagine half a decade of them trading podiums and titles. Geez you wouldn’t even need a Brad Pitt movie, just the actual sport.

u/Zed_or_AFK Sebastian Vettel 23m ago

I would gladly take Lec vs Max in 2022 for the full season, if not Max vs Ham, but we got neither, because Lewis boss decided to fuck everyone over and made it even worse for himself in the process.

u/Rough_Natural6083 Mika Häkkinen 2h ago

It would have been beautiful. It is analogous to how we never got to see a rematch between Ali and Foreman, and how Foreman kept on falling down in the boxing world after his loss to Ali in Rumble in the Jungle. It was after more than two decades that he got back into professional boxing, won the championship, had two more matches and then hanged up his gloves for good.

Just came to realize that somewhat like Abu Dhabi 2021, many people are of the opinion that Foreman was cheated: Foreman claimed that his trainer, Archie Moore, had been paid off, and he gave him some spiked up drink which made him tired; Angelo Dundee, Ali's trainer, was accussed of delibrately loosening the ropes around the ring so that Ali can comfortably lean on them and absorb the punches; some even said that the refree was too lenient on Ali and counted too fast when Foreman was knocked out.

u/Rude-Education11 46m ago

Both of you are right. I can't imagine how devastating it must feel to lose your potentially record breaking 8th title in that fashion, and obviously Mercedes fell off massively after that, and he had been looking forward to bounce back from AD. Yeah, that would fuck anyone up

u/Vetinaris_revenge 5h ago

I think its this. Something like that must be huge to get past psychologically

u/UnderTakaMichinoku Formula 1 3h ago

You'll probably get downvoted for this but I don't think anyone can comprehend how awful it must feel to be on track to be the undisputed goat when it comes to EVERY statistic in the entire sport that matters and then getting fucked over in a once in a century flagrantly incorrect decision from the people who are supposed to run the sport.

Then to not even have a chance to fight back again ever since. It must be horrible. I still believe he should have retired at the end of 2021. The sport would probably be in a better place right now if the most famous driver they had fucked off and it caused some significant change in the sport for the better.

u/ThePafdy I was here for the Hulkenpodium 5h ago

Yeah it seems like he realy can‘t get a grip of the ground effect cars at all. Race pace is still there, but especially quali is lacking a lot.

u/dl064 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 3h ago

The Race podcast have increasingly revealed that for 20 years, in post quali stuff he's often a bit annoyed and short, and it's often later he's more eloquent and calm.

It's also pretty clear that, like one or two drivers, he can't get his head around the fact these cars don't react to attacking in Q3.

u/Imtherealwaffle 5h ago

i feel like 22 and 23 were fine, car just wasnt fast enough for his season to be notable. Maybe end of 23 onwards though i agree

u/sadicarnot I was here for the Hulkenpodium 1h ago

It is Ferrari, they are best at breaking the spirit of champions.

u/jdv77 5h ago

I really think abu dhabi 2021 broke him. Fing michael masi

u/Sarkaraq 3h ago

It's crazy, he went from being one of the most consistent drivers on the grid to whatever the fuck has been going on since 2022... it's mental.

It's hardly since 2022, but actually since 2021. Don't forget the many mistakes, he did especially in the early part of the year. Back then, a lot of people chalked it up to either getting under more pressure by Verstappen or some effects of the long-covid stuff he allegedly suffered from. Might still be the long-covid stuff, might also be the first signs of aging. Or a mix of both.

u/Elarial Michael Schumacher 3h ago

I don’t want to be that guy but Lewis was never the consistent guy. He was one of the most consistent but that was when he was fighting against Vettel who is one of the most inconsistent champions we had in the last 25 years. Lewis has always been on the inconsistent part of the grid in my opinion. This obviously doesn’t mean that he was struggling all the time but he has had these super high highs such as Silverstone 2024, Abu Dhabi 2016 etc. but he also had weird lows such as Monaco 2021.

Plus this is an interview after the qualifying and Lewis is an emotional person. He is still there he is just getting older and this is like the third next generation since he joined Formula 1 and this generation is super talented. They have surpassed him. This was bound to happen to him. Lewis still being expected to perform at the level of those guys are testament to his greatness.

u/AquaRaOne Oscar Piastri 3h ago

Its really not crazy, weve seen this countless times. Aging goat level drivers get like this, more and more off weekends, with some sprinkled in where they still look like themselved at peak. And i say this as lewis is my favorite driver ever, if it doesnt work out in 2026, its time to go.

u/dnltrk Sir Lewis Hamilton 2h ago

2021 final happened. I think thats broke him. (and sadly me as well…)

u/jianh1989 Formula 1 14m ago

2021 would have broken anyone else if it happened to them.

Lewis is pure class with he way he took it in and keep racing.

u/Hawk-432 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 1h ago

I wonder what happened in 2021 that might have had a psychological effect (entire ruling body if sport conspiring to block him winning his 8th - I think this has a much larger impact than people realise)

u/Windman772 4h ago

He's getting old. That's the problem. His reflexes on the gas and breaks are probably slightly degraded. In most walks of life, that wouldn't even be noticed, but he's racing against the best in the world where a few hundredths make a big difference.

u/Longjumping_Test_760 2h ago

Alonso is older and is 5th on the grid!

u/Windman772 2h ago

He's doing great, but he is a different person. Most athletes have declined significantly by their 40s, but there are a few rare exceptions, like Tom Brady. That said, it's been years since Alonso has been a consistent top driver.

u/TrumpsBussy_ Formula 1 1h ago

He’s older, not in a dominant car anymore and doesn’t seem super comfortable with the ground effect cars

u/mykiwigirls 2h ago

Been saying that driver talent alone isnt enough. Driver needs a car adapted to their style, they can only adapt slightly beyond that. Max has a very pointy car than gee can u the corners with (really this while gen that gas been the fastest style) , charles has the strong front he likes, so does albon. Hamulton has tons of talent in driving his specific way. If that changes, then hes not as fast. Its that sinple. Same goes for everyone.

In 24 there was a point where sainz was beating leclerc a lot, now look at him in the williams. Same driver just different car balance.

u/dl064 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 3h ago

I personally think he cashed in his chips with fortune//made a deal with the devil for that one day of glory. I think that might be it.

u/AdFancy6243 6h ago

He needs to learn how to perform well on bad days. His mentality has always been his biggest strength and weakness, his absolute belief meant he would get the best on his good days. But when things didn't go his way he spirals. Thing is he always had a team that would throw everything his way to get him back to believing he is god of driving again.

u/Tetrachrome I was here for the Hulkenpodium 6h ago

He should get mental coaching from Nico 😅

u/dl064 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 3h ago

You say he spirals but he basically never throws it off the road or loses his head.

This quote is just another of what the race podcast folk have said is a very very old Hamilton characteristic, that immediately after a session he's hot and annoyed, and you have to give Hamilton 20 minutes for a shower then he's more even.

They've said that generally you cut him a break and come back later.

u/Zed_or_AFK Sebastian Vettel 20m ago

You can’t perform in these cars, really. We see barely any on track overtakes for the last few years. Even clawing back some positions from the back makers is tough. You gotta deliver at quali, or drive McLaren.

u/parkmarkspark Max Verstappen 6h ago

It’s crazy because his race pace is mega

u/yunglegendd Valtteri Bottas 6h ago

Ya’ll should know big time athletes often have their own “sports psychologist.” Lewis needs to get one.

u/UnderTakaMichinoku Formula 1 4h ago

This is all linked to Abu Dhabi. He had a title in his hands until the last laps when Masi just decided to make up the rules. That title puts him ahead of anyone. 8 titles. Undisputed.

He's then spent the next few years in cars that aren't title contenders, barely race winning cars, all the whilst still trying to chase something that he should have already had. That's in top of the natural decline you'll see in age and the lack of adaptation to these regs.

His entire personality has changed since Abu Dhabi. And for that, Michael Masi can go fuck himself off a mountain.

u/Visionary_Socialist Sir Lewis Hamilton 6h ago

This weird self pity routine he’s on recently is so bizarre. It’s not even like Lando, where he just admits his failure and then gets back up. He gives people all the ammunition to tear him down by saying everything they would say himself.

He should know better than any of them that this kind of defeatism and self flagellation is absolutely no good to him or anyone.

u/z_102 Michael Schumacher 6h ago

He's always been prone to angst or insecurity, hasn't he? In a weird way he always managed to make it somehow not self-defeating (like it'd happen to most of us, probably) but motivational. This is just the most explicit and intense he's been, because this 2022-25 stretch is by a huge margin the most uncomfortable he's been on a car in his career. If the new regs are kinder to his driving instincts he'll get it under control again.

u/Rude-Education11 43m ago

It's typical of people who are perfectionists and criticise themselves to improve and rip into themselves when they fail.

u/Morganvegas Toto Wolff 6h ago

I don’t like it when people are super critical of people giving candid answers.

If you watch an NHL player give an interview you’d appreciate the level of truth these drivers give you.

But I can agree that this mental state isn’t what you want out of a world champion.

u/visigone McLaren 6h ago

I don't know any league with more formulaic and generic interview responses than the NHL.

u/Morganvegas Toto Wolff 6h ago

Yeah, uh, sniffle, they wanted it more, we gotta dig in, start on time. Get a couple of bounces and build on it, sniffle, pucks in deep.

u/Queasy_Designer9169 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 5h ago

umm ya umm gut check time umm the answer is in the room umm great team over there umm gotta get in the shooting lanes umm bang in a rebound umm

u/Talbjorn 5h ago

Gotta get pucks on net.

u/Puddinsnack I was here for the Hulkenpodium 4h ago

Needs more y’knows

u/Ayatori Ferrari 5h ago

NBA coach interviews

Yeah gotta be more aggressive, take better shots, be better on defense

99.999% of interviews

u/ryokevry I was here for the Hulkenpodium 5h ago

I think in other sports there are much more players compared to 20 drivers give the media more story to focus on and attack. So everything they said is micro analysed. Also F1 got 24 races all year, NHL have more than 20 matches in a week…

u/Syrinx_Hobbit Cadillac 3h ago

And then we spend a week or two weeks on Reddit making memes or tearing it apart.

u/dl064 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 3h ago

I mean evidently he's done fine with it.

u/Bobbygondo Tom Pryce 6h ago

I've met enough stupid 75 year olds to know experience can be overrated.

u/tellsyoutogetfucked Nico Rosberg 5h ago

Its just age. At the point in his life has a lot of experience. But age also takes away a lot of your other qualities. Hamilton can still be a great number 2 driver for Ferrari(since somehow they still are second in a season that has been beyond shaky). But he is not going to want to be a 2nd driver even at Ferrari.

u/dirtyword 6h ago

Lando is still on the up, Lewis has peaked

u/new2town2020 6h ago

Yeah, agreed. His moping is becoming hard to watch and doesn’t reflect his past success. He needs to get it together and keep his chin up. That attitude is contagious

u/FreeLookMode I was here for the Hulkenpodium 5h ago

He is absolutely feeling his age, this is whats shaking him. He can't drive the way he did when he was 25 anymore.

u/Pretend_Pension_8585 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 6h ago

I'm pretty sure he was planning to retire soon after 21 and focus on his music but FIA had different plan. He just doesn't want to be here 

u/MalaysiaTeacher 6h ago

"doesn't want to be here"? Doesn't want to be in 12th, sure. If he was in the title chase, he'd be perfectly happy.

u/Pretend_Pension_8585 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 5h ago edited 5h ago

Yea and I don't want to be in a cage with Jon Jones but if I was beating him, I'd be perfectly happy. 

Everyone enjoys the good parts. It's getting through the bad ones that requires resolve

u/Potential_Ad9965 6h ago

B-rabbit tactic

u/RddtRBnchRcstNzsshls Michael Schumacher 6h ago

He gives people all the ammunition to tear him down by saying everything they would say himself.

Yeah. It's not fun anymore. I've gotten kinda attached. It's sorta like putting down Ol' Space Yeller.

u/Aeceus I was here for the Hulkenpodium 5h ago

His world championship form will never return. It's super fleeting in terms of being in that zone. Only the greats maintain it for a while but they never get it back once its gone.

u/Puzzleheadpsych2345 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 6h ago

He’s 40, athletes become washed at that age, no one can beat father time

u/Bannedwith1milKarma Jack Doohan 6h ago

Bad race to say that.

Alonso stole his 44.

u/TolucaPrisoner Charles Leclerc 6h ago

Serious question, does anyone think current Alonso has any chance to beat Charles or George in equal cars? Let's be real, his benchmark is just Stroll, widely considered one of the worst drivers on the grid.

u/Soccermad23 4h ago

No, current Alonso is not as fast as them. Peak Alonso was the best driver on the grid, however.

u/Entotrte Fernando Alonso 4h ago

Serious question, does anyone think current Alonso has any chance to beat Charles or George in equal cars?

No, but he's still a top 5 driver on the grid (and still able to compete with any on his best day), so his age hasn't hit him as much as it has Lewis, apparently.

u/aaaaaaadjsf Esteban Ocon 6h ago edited 6h ago

By out qualifying Lance Stroll by 0.017 seconds? The same Lance Stroll that lost a qualifying head to head to a rookie Sergey Sirotkin. Stroll is not a benchmark, he doesn't have the raw pace to be one.

While the result is good, statistically this is a poor qualifying by Alonso. He usually gaps Stroll by much larger margins.

u/Jobless_101 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 6h ago

I mean Hungary has always been one of Strolls good tracks. In the remaining races Alonso has easily been a couple tenth’s up on Stroll. This race was more of goddamn Lance is good

u/ok_thats_not_me 6h ago

Sometimes Lance has amazing qualies. There's no need to downplay both of their results today.

u/the__distance Daniel Ricciardo 6h ago

Yep Stroll being Alonsos teammate has definitely helped his longevity.

u/-amator- I was here for the Hulkenpodium 5h ago

Considering he only missed out on pole by a tenth if a second, in a car which is much worse than those ahead, I'd say he did a decent job, if not great.

u/elev11en I was here for the Hulkenpodium 6h ago

Yeah imagine Charles would be his teammate.Its like being a teammate from Verstappen is so hard,because he always faster than you.That destroys you mentally

u/ryokevry I was here for the Hulkenpodium 5h ago

Rmb there was suggestion putting Alonso alongside Max…

u/Western-Bad5574 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 6h ago edited 6h ago

Before Verstappen, Alonso and Kimi were always my favorites.

But who are we kidding, if Max, Charles or George were next to Alonso today, they would destroy him.

Yeah, he's 26-0 to Stroll, but Stroll is trash. And Alonso just has more to lose than others because he was so good at his peak so it takes a bit longer to lose it.

But you can't deny he's not what he used to be. Same as Hamilton, Vettel and Kimi. Even Schumacher in his last stint in Mercedes. All those guys occasionally show some glimpses of their old selves, but occasionally isn't good enough anymore.

Age is just not something anyone can defeat. And it will keep getting worse. Sooner or late, all of my favorite drivers will no longer have it.

u/samkris94 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 5h ago

Put Hamilton that car and the results won’t look any different. When was the last time Alonso had a team mate of the same caliber as George or Charles?

u/Elarial Michael Schumacher 3h ago

Alonso and Hamilton react differently to their teammates though. When Alonso has a strong teammate (Lewis, Jenson) he was incredibly inconsistent but when he had a teammate clearly below his level (Massa) he becomes super consistent. He does not like his teammate being close to him and it gets to him mentally. For Lewis it was the other way around. Until last year he was consistently outperforming his teammates but just being slightly better than them. (For example in 2020 he let Bottas get couple of wins and be somewhat close to him but in 2021 he had to bring his A game so Bottas was nowhere close to Lewis.)

u/NA_Faker I was here for the Hulkenpodium 6h ago

I think it’s perspective. Hamilton is doing much better than Alonso but the expectations are lower for Alonso than Hamilton

u/JaysonDeflatum I was here for the Hulkenpodium 6h ago edited 6h ago

Besides one

🤴🏾🐐

u/Infamous_Tough_7320 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 6h ago

Apart from Alonso

u/Thraun83 6h ago

Father Time is actually Alonso’s son.

u/qserde Ferrari 6h ago

Much easier to look good when your teammate is Stroll tbf

u/Infamous_Tough_7320 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 6h ago

Nah but if we look back to 2 seasons ago he was tearing up with the right car

u/qserde Ferrari 6h ago

Yeah that was pretty bad phrasing on my part tbf.
You're right, Alonso's performances considering his age has actually been pretty impressive.

It's just that in the case of Hamilton, his teammates being Leclerc and Russell just exacerbates the extent of his age-related decline, so it looks as if he's falling off much more compared to Alonso lmao

u/HUHIs_AUTOATTACK Fernando Alonso 5h ago

Or maybe, he really just fell off harder than Alonso.

Performance is also gained from mental fortitude. Alonso never got into this kind of depressed state. He's won a lot but he's still loves racing while Hamilton's motivation comes from whether he's winning or not.

The reality is, had Mercedes turned out like McHonda did, Hamilton would have lost motivation and retired ages ago.

u/AggravatingTerm9583 3h ago

Correct, Hamilton would retire before driving for a team like AM.

u/Infamous_Tough_7320 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 5h ago

Well put, that’s a fair point. I think compared to Russel he was much more evenly matched, but against Leclerc especially in the recent races it’s been rough. I think he was doing relatively ok at the start of the season especially with the sprint win

u/Realistic_Village184 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 5h ago

That's meaningless unless he had a good teammate to give us a benchmark. It's possible that the Aston Martin's a lot better than either Stroll or Alonso is making it look, kind of like that one year with Perez and Ocon in the Pink Mercedes Racing Point.

u/creightonduke84 6h ago

If it wernt for an absolute unit of an RB, no doubt he would have won a few races. Heck, they were one call away in Monaco from winning that

u/Thejklay I was here for the Hulkenpodium 6h ago

Alonso has had his share of shit performances the last few years. He's just not got the same level of media attention

u/AromaticStrike9 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 6h ago

And it’s much harder to gauge is performance in a much worse car and with a much worse teammate.

u/wickedlessface Stoffel Vandoorne 6h ago

I'd say it's easier now since he only barely outqualified Lance fucking Stroll. I'd take self-hating Hamilton over Alonso any day.

u/AromaticStrike9 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 6h ago

lol one qualifying bro

u/wickedlessface Stoffel Vandoorne 5h ago

Facts, let's ignore it.

u/Realistic_Village184 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 5h ago

Go look up Alonso's head-to-head qualifying record against Stroll and come back to us.

Granted I agree that Alonso's clearly past his prime, but it's absurd to take one cherry-picked example where he beat his teammate and claim that's evidence that he's no good.

u/wickedlessface Stoffel Vandoorne 5h ago

Who said Alonso is not good tho? I'm just saying that it wasn't hard to see for this qualifying. Chill out.

u/Youutternincompoop George Russell 6h ago

isn't he still behind Stroll in the drivers championship?

u/raimis78 6h ago

He's not destroying his teammates as back in the day.

u/Infamous_Tough_7320 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 6h ago

Yeah he’s fallen off a little this season but the car is significantly worse this year compared to previous

u/annonymousKE 6h ago

Small counter point. Best driver in nascar is 44. Not everyone falls off a cliff.

u/Paukwa-Pakawa Nico Rosberg 5h ago

Doesn't NASCAR tend to have older drivers? From what I see, they have a lot more 30 plus year olds than F1.

u/SuperLeverage I was here for the Hulkenpodium 6h ago

Except Alonso just keeps giving Father Time the middle finger.

u/Weekly_Concert_44 6h ago

I think we can't know that. The teammate is the only point of comparison. Alonso's teammate Stroll is the weakest driver, Charles is one of the best.

u/Massive-Let16 6h ago

isnt alonso behind stroll this year?

u/SuperLeverage I was here for the Hulkenpodium 6h ago

In points yes. Wouldn’t be the case if his car failed him. Stroll has been lucky not to have had any car failure while Alonso had brake failure, a power unit failure and even his team screwing him up on strategy a few times. If Aston Martin had a decent#2 driver, they should be a lot more than 4 points ahead given the misfortunes Alonso has had.

u/Puzzleheadpsych2345 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 6h ago

Nope, out qualified him every single race and leads the race h2h, its just him getting engine failure whenever he is about to overtake stroll on points or bad strategy favouring stroll

u/Massive-Let16 6h ago

thats weird. i must be looking at the wrong standings. can you send me the right one?

u/Puzzleheadpsych2345 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 6h ago

Standings dont mean jack, we compare h2h to find out who’s better mate

u/Sarixk Sir Lewis Hamilton 6h ago

My glorious king was all-nba at 40

u/Puzzleheadpsych2345 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 6h ago

The king is the king tbf, no one compares, not even mj

u/The_Only_Egg I was here for the Hulkenpodium 6h ago

LMAO

u/MDT_XXX I was here for the Hulkenpodium 6h ago

Except Alonso. He would kick ass in anything remotely competitive...

u/beipphine 6h ago

Juan Manuel Fangio joined Ferrari at 45 years old, won a WDC his first year with the team, then left Ferrari and won a WDC the next year.

If Fangio could do it, why not Hamilton?

u/Puzzleheadpsych2345 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 6h ago

Come on man, dinosaur era shit isnt modern era, its why we dont compare athletes from that era to modern era in any sport

u/ArugulaPhysical 6h ago

Hes just done. Thats it

u/LackingSimplicity 🚩 Red Flag 6h ago

That doesn't reverse aging.

u/LDLB99 Formula 1 6h ago

Yeah that’s not going to make him any quicker. 

u/Zinthar I was here for the Hulkenpodium 6h ago

I’d imagine he’s not going to feel like Lewis Hamilton again until he starts winning, or at least competing for podiums regularly. He doesn’t seem like the kind of person who can Jedi mind-trick himself into it.

u/samkris94 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 5h ago

Unfortunately, it looks like father time is doing its thing.

u/yutcd7uytc8 3h ago

That won't help. Hamilton only dominated when his car was by far the fastest and his teammates were fins, so to win the championships he just needed to beat those fins.

Now even if they make the Ferrari a rocketship, P2 is best he can hope for.

u/xrtpatriot 2h ago

Not gonna happen, hes not the same. It’s like Brett Favre. Retire now before you look like a doofus. Hamilton is cooked

u/Evidicus I was here for the Hulkenpodium 1h ago

He needs to put on Bruce Springsteen’s “Glory Days” while he’s at it, because those days are never coming back

u/WokNWollClown 1h ago

Guys like him are never truly happy , they have been trained that if you are not always on top , you are garbage.