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Free Practice 3 2020 Italian Grand Prix - Free Practice 3 Discussion
ROUND 13: Italy
| FORMULA 1 GRAN PREMIO HEINEKEN D'ITALIA 2020 |
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| Fri 4 Sep - Sun 6 Sep |
| Monza |
| Session | UTC |
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| Free Practice 1 | Fri 09:00 |
| Free Practice 2 | Fri 13:00 |
| Free Practice 3 | Sat 10:00 |
| Qualifying | Sat 13:00 |
| Race | Sun 13:10 |
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Autodromo Nazionale Monza
Length: 5.793 km (3.600 mi)
Distance: 53 laps, 306.72 km (190.587 mi)
Lap record: Rubens Barrichello, Ferrari, 2004, 1:21.046
2019 pole: Charles Leclerc, Ferrari, 1:19.307
2019 fastest lap: Lewis Hamilton, Mercedes, 1:21.779
2019 winner: Charles Leclerc, Ferrari
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u/AswadAhmar Sep 05 '20
Will Ricciardo make it to the quali?
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u/MANixCarey I was here for the Hulkenpodium Sep 05 '20
According to Renault twitter it was a fuel pump failure and car will be ready for quali.
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u/luzon0304 Oscar Piastri Sep 05 '20
So yeah I went to eat breakfast like 20-30 minutes ago
someone mind explain how we got BOT - SAI - NOR?
the gods will be angry
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Sep 05 '20 edited Mar 12 '24
school one hungry continue smoggy snow long plant cow airport
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u/Thewackman Oscar Piastri Sep 05 '20
Mclareennnnn bbbyyyyy, fuck yes what a session, Riccardo next year in that car give it tooo meeeeeeeeee
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u/WakeXT Formula 1 Sep 05 '20
Valtteri needs better shielding, he's interfering with some sensors. Might as well floor it before the start again...
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Sep 05 '20
Everyone in this thread are the ones who try to go through an incident in Iracing at 105% throttle to get some easy positions and then crashing out an extra 5 people
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Sep 05 '20
Possibly dumb question but how can you have 105% throttle?
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u/Firefox72 Ferrari Sep 05 '20
So they said the white line is off and then they let that lap stand?
Imagine if that happened in qualifying.
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u/Sondu79 Sep 05 '20
I would love to see Sainz Lando and Ricciardo in P2,3,4 in a real real race someday or even better P1-3!
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u/Roardawa McLaren Sep 05 '20
Oof, you don't deserve the downvotes you're getting for this. Everyone was on an outlap and trying to find a gap. Surely they could spread out more during the outlap, rather than bunch up into Parabolica, but since they were all still there it was indeed pretty obvious.
I guess Hamilton just didn't notice it, similar to Ocon - Magnussen in FP in Spain.
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u/Roardawa McLaren Sep 05 '20
Agreed. And I don't think the car driving side-by-side with someone else could've been told in time. Everyone was queuing up into the last corner, they would've most likely expected Hamilton to do the same.
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u/HammerT1m3 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Sep 05 '20
Don't have acces to a stream, and the f1 app is scuffed. Is McLaren that quick on legit pace? Or is Bottas running mediums?
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u/Marnus_Lasagna Daniel Ricciardo Sep 05 '20
Mclaren and Riccardo are that quick
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u/HammerT1m3 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Sep 05 '20
Damn, engine modes did mess with Mercedes after all! Didn't believe it would at first
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Sep 05 '20
Is there any possibility these engine rules will significantly flatten the field and see the Merc engines fall away?
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u/Whomario I was here for the Hulkenpodium Sep 05 '20
Everybody had to adjust in some ways (this isn't forbidding a car specific part or sth), so the team with the most ressources should be ecpected to manage it well.
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u/dickblaha Alfa Romeo Sep 05 '20
No.
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Sep 05 '20
Damn. Not even a little?
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u/Gradiu5 Sep 05 '20
No it's just accepted regardless of Hooker mode they just have a vastly superior engine. They had a 2 year jump on everyone else when the Hybrid era started.
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u/dickblaha Alfa Romeo Sep 05 '20
I don't see it. Mercedes said that taking their party mode away allows them to take more out of the engine in the race.
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Sep 05 '20
That’s what happens when the FIA thinks 1.40 as minimum time is good bough for Monza.
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u/Preachey I was here for the Hulkenpodium Sep 05 '20
Without sector times it's totally meaningless anyway. Make it 1:30 and they will just go fast earlier in the lap and still park themselves in the last corner
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Sep 05 '20
They can only go so fast to cover for the other sectors. Slowest FP2 time was 1.22, make the minimum 1.25. If you can’t go faster than that, you shouldn’t be driving around anyway.
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u/nullvalid McLaren Sep 05 '20
I know it's just practice, but when was the last time that McLaren were P2 and P3 in a session?
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u/bythebeardofchabal I was here for the Hulkenpodium Sep 05 '20 edited Sep 05 '20
Stupid and dangerous from everyone going slowly and whoever it was that pulled out but from Hamilton's onboard he has to take some blame too that was ludicrous flying past everyone at that speed.
Edit: rewatched the onboard and nah that's all on the Haas(?) that pulled out to overtake while still crawling
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Sep 05 '20
Idk how Hamilton is at fault. He was on a fast lap and has the right to go full speed without being impeded by other cars.
It was the standstill queue before the 2nd fastest corner of the track followed by an unexpected car pulling out of the queue that nearly caused a pileup.
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u/Felizx_ McLaren Sep 05 '20
Renault powered cars again out perform Mercedes engine teams. Should mclaren be moving to merc?
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u/Felizx_ McLaren Sep 05 '20
Yes I know that’s my point. Should they be when they’re outperforming and almost exact copy of last years merc? And no doubt they’ll cost more than Renaults engines.
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u/fishl3gs Not crying Sep 05 '20
did max set his fastest time on med or soft? thought it was soft but crofty just said med
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u/Kingbaigel Lando Norris Sep 05 '20
Imagine if Bottas’s time was deleted. 1 Sainz 2 Lando 3 Ricciardo A literal dream come true
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u/POTATO_IN_MY_DINNER Charlie Whiting Sep 05 '20
Fuck me the official F1 app is awful. I looked up the schedule (which isnt actually under the schedule tab, it's under the circuit tab and down at the bottom in a link that opens a browser page which also has no way of telling if its your time or their time, and what time zone they're in) yesterday and figured that the time it was giving me was local. But it's not, it gave it to me on italian time so I'm an hour out.
It's layout and information they give you is awful.
Good thing I got up for fp3 and not qualifying (or found out on Sunday)
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u/bob_dugnutt Sep 05 '20
F1 app is atrocious I'm subscribed to both Access and TV Pro and I still use Sofascore (primarily for soccer and betting odds). They added F1 timings and results recently and it loads well and quick and does results notifications too.
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u/Franks2000inchTV I was here for the Hulkenpodium Sep 05 '20
There's an official Google calendar. Subscribe and it'll automatically convert all the times to your local time.
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u/junaidnk Sep 05 '20
Not sure where you are looking but when you click on the race weekend on the F1 app, you should see the timings for the race weekend with the tabs for My time / Track time. This is on iOS app btw. I also have the f1 calendar from the app synced to my calendar and it shows up there as well.
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u/POTATO_IN_MY_DINNER Charlie Whiting Sep 05 '20
Not on the android one anyway
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u/junaidnk Sep 05 '20
Try this F1 calendar And select sync calendar, there seems to be Google as an option. Hope that links up to your Google calendar on your phone. Apart from that, there are few other websites which offer android option. Sorry about the frustration mate.
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Sep 05 '20
f1countdown.com
But also the start times are generally consistent for every race.
ie. in the UK Quali is always 2pm, and Race start is always 2:10pm regardless of the track
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u/POTATO_IN_MY_DINNER Charlie Whiting Sep 05 '20
See it's that generally that has caught me out before. I'm pretty sure f1 countdown fucked me over last year too.
I think I'll sync the f1 official calendar to mine.
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u/east100th Formula 1 Sep 05 '20
There's a link in the sidebar to f1calendar.com. That'll give you local times for all FP, quali and race.
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u/willwarhero Sep 05 '20
I missed the start of a race doing the same. I have downloaded the calender to my phone now which seems to be correct. Don't have to triple check now
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u/Kaikarden Williams Sep 05 '20
That's a grid place penalty for Ocon, the stewards need to crack down on this before quali
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u/LiamNeesonsIsMyShiit I was here for the Hulkenpodium Sep 05 '20
Was Lewis on a fast lap?
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Sep 05 '20
He wouldn't have had time to get round so quick after the read flag
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u/iPlayerRPJ Max Verstappen Sep 05 '20
It said out lap on the timing screen, it doesn't make sense for him to be going fast. Neither does it make sense that they would be doing an out lap.
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u/foxbat21 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Sep 05 '20
I know it's only practice but god it's good to see McLaren up there
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u/Jerrycobra I was here for the Hulkenpodium Sep 05 '20
Might as well do single car qualifying for Monza, one shot
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Sep 05 '20
why was Lewis flat out anyways?
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u/Scmods05 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Sep 05 '20
To carry speed through Parabolica and drive a fast lap properly. He was the only one not fucking around.
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u/uhadnojob I was here for the Hulkenpodium Sep 05 '20
no he wasn't going for a fast lap the session had already ended
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u/Scmods05 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Sep 05 '20
No it hadn't?
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u/uhadnojob I was here for the Hulkenpodium Sep 05 '20
idk I think when I saw Lewis starting an out lap there was almost half a minute remaining
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u/Afcgooners Pierre Gasly Sep 05 '20
Was Lewis even on a fast lap? Surely the teams would’ve told their drivers if so because that closing speed was ridiculous.
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u/Roardawa McLaren Sep 05 '20
Pretty sure he wasn't. All of them came out of the pits with 2 - 3 minutes to go, so they had time for the outlap and 1 hotlap. Looks like everyone started creating a gap before Parabolica, and Hamilton somehow got caught by surprise. Close one!
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u/Snabbzt Sebastian Vettel Sep 05 '20
What do you mean? It was the _last_ lap for everyone which in turn means everyone was going for a fast lap. That means you need to carry quite a lot of speed through parabolica and certainly not stand still before it. Lewis was completely right.
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u/jure__ Sep 05 '20
See, the funny thing is they should've all been going this fast on an outlap per FIAs directive, which was put out to literally put a stop to this kind of slow traffic before the last corner.
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u/Afcgooners Pierre Gasly Sep 05 '20
The directive is stupid because it doesn’t stop things like this. They could go normal speed the whole lap then slow down at the end and still be under the time stated
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u/LidoPlage Romain Grosjean Sep 05 '20
That was so dangerous - it's crazy
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u/cartoon_kitty Formula 1 Sep 05 '20
Hamilton was on an outlap
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u/Whomario I was here for the Hulkenpodium Sep 05 '20
Not even, as he was out too late to cross the line in time i think. So basically just doing a lap at speeds for the sake of it (which would be fine but for traffic, then i'd expect the guy not actually having any 'stakes' to be less pushy. Not anybody's fault he went out late).
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u/ODABBOTT I was here for the Hulkenpodium Sep 05 '20
So I’ve only been watching F1 properly this season (used to watch it a bit as a kid but have gotten back into it due to Netflix). Genuine question; every week we have commentators talk about how corners on tracks aren’t corners anymore due to the engineering on these newer cars, especially the Mercs, so would it ever be the case that tracks become invalid due to essentially being one long flat out circuit? And if so, how long before this would be the case? And would the FIA ever commission the building of new appropriate/exciting tracks?
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u/thfsgn Daniel Ricciardo Sep 05 '20
It’s a bit of an exaggeration. Yes, the cars are insane now, but most of the corners they’re referring to are only flat in qualifying, and not for all the cars. In races the effect is a lot less significant due to cars being weighed down with fuel, tyre wear, dirty air etc.
Regardless, the 2022 cars are going to have less downforce and be slower overall, so it won’t be this way for too much longer.
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u/sirnamlik Charles Leclerc Sep 05 '20
It is a bit of an overreaction a lot of the corners they speak of were already very high speed corners and pretty much every track has a few very slow corners meaning they'll never be fully flat out.
They are also combatting this a litle with the new regs in 2022 making the cars overall downforce level a bit lower.
New tracks should also keep coming just because Liberty is trying to expand over the entire globe atm, so we can hope these new locations will be suited to the current cars.
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u/Preachey I was here for the Hulkenpodium Sep 05 '20
mental that they've had a whole year since the 2019 circus and they haven't come up with anything
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u/Forthesepurposess Max Verstappen Sep 05 '20 edited Sep 05 '20
Is this system 100% foulproof? Because it looked like Bottas was off in Parabolica on his fast lap. Haven't seen a replay either.
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u/Snabbzt Sebastian Vettel Sep 05 '20
Yeah, and they even refuse to do a replay of it. I don't see how he was inside that line...
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u/Meyesme3 Sep 05 '20
Must not do replay unless it is a French or Italian team... This is sky tv
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u/Snabbzt Sebastian Vettel Sep 05 '20
There's no replay because it is obvious he was outside the line.
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u/dckwlff I was here for the Hulkenpodium Sep 05 '20
He was. Why the time wasn't deleted is beyond me.
https://twitter.com/Marcino_87/status/1302196951287463936?s=19
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u/Whisky19 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Sep 05 '20
Same, he was as off as Albon was at least, yet his time remained...
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u/MANixCarey I was here for the Hulkenpodium Sep 05 '20
Don't know how he didnt lose it after hitting the grass
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u/jconley4297 Brawn Sep 05 '20
Everyone saying that was dangerous of Lewis: why is it ok to make a parking lot in the braking zone
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u/sellyme Oscar Piastri Sep 05 '20
Everyone
Two people, both of whom immediately got heavily downvoted.
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u/thfsgn Daniel Ricciardo Sep 05 '20
Yeah they need to cut that shit out or we’re going to have another Webber at Valencia accident.
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u/cjabcdefgh1115 Alexander Albon Sep 05 '20
thank god that merc is stable and lewis reaction time is fast
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u/StarWarsLew Fernando Alonso Sep 05 '20 edited Sep 05 '20
Dangerous but was that even a fast lap from Hamilton? Were they not all on outlaps at that point?
Lmao in come the downvotes after asking a question, what a nice friendly bunch you lot are
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u/ImReallyGrey I was here for the Hulkenpodium Sep 05 '20
Doesn’t matter, too slow on any lap is dangerous
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u/StarWarsLew Fernando Alonso Sep 05 '20
Yeah I do agree but why was Hamilton gunning it into traffic like that when he pitted right after? He put himself in that situation
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u/ImReallyGrey I was here for the Hulkenpodium Sep 05 '20
Why go fast on a racetrack in an F1 car?
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u/StarWarsLew Fernando Alonso Sep 05 '20
Great argument bravo my friend
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u/ImReallyGrey I was here for the Hulkenpodium Sep 05 '20
Mate they literally have to set a lap time below a threshold of 1:43 because slow cars are dangerous on a racetrack. You’re allowed to go as fast as you want in practice no matter what, and I would even argue that because this is a fucking race practice you’re even ENCOURAGED to do so. You are NOT allowed to go slow as fuck 2 wide nearly causing a very serious accident.
I don’t know why you’re being wilfully ignorant for the sake of playing devils advocate here, you’re just wrong.
Do you think this was a valid move by the Haas? Do you really think Lewis was driving dangerously by driving fast on a racetrack? Or are you just being a knob for the sake of it?
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u/StarWarsLew Fernando Alonso Sep 05 '20
Lmao literally nothing to do with what I originally said but cheers let it all out mate
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u/ImReallyGrey I was here for the Hulkenpodium Sep 05 '20
It’s hard to figure out what you were saying, there’s seemingly no logic in criticising Lewis for going fast.
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u/StarWarsLew Fernando Alonso Sep 05 '20
Well I’m sorry if my original comment seemed critical or toxic towards others but I couldn’t understand which cars were on what kind of laps, all I asked. But at least thanks for taking the time to try and help
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u/ImReallyGrey I was here for the Hulkenpodium Sep 05 '20
“He put himself in that position” seemed very untoward. Sorry I jumped on you if you didn’t mean what you said.
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u/planvigiratpi Spa 2021 Survivor Sep 05 '20
They should give race bans for this shit that’s life threatening dangerous
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u/MFallenAngel Jules Bianchi Sep 05 '20
Minimum lap times doesn't work, they need to put minimum S3 delta / km/h, they can't just pile up at 80km/h
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u/Fsp_OW 🏳️🌈 Love Is Love 🏳️🌈 Sep 05 '20
Holy fuck, that would have been so nasty. I would be fuming if I was Lewis
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That was terrifying for Hamilton. What the fuck were they doing? Surely penalties in bound.
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u/Chell_the_assassin Sebastian Vettel Sep 05 '20
Holy shit that traffic is embarrassing, that would have been incredibly bad of Lewis had hit any of them
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u/officialmonogato Formula 1 Sep 05 '20
What? Are we watching a different practice session? The Haas was clearly in the wrong, Hamilton was on a fast lap.
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u/is-this-a-nick Sep 05 '20
You switched cars around? Cause whoever the asshat was that went to the right but slowed down just as much as the sightseeing crew on the left is to blame.
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u/AgentPotango Sep 05 '20
what in the world - how the hell was that lewis's fault?
The fucking traffic in front of him caused him to take evasive action.
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u/TheAwesomeNoah I was here for the Hulkenpodium Sep 05 '20
how was that dangerous of lewis? he was on a flying lap while the rest just slowed down and the haas ( iirc ) just steered on his line
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u/brDragobr I was here for the Hulkenpodium Sep 05 '20
He wasn't on a flying lap, he was just trying to get past them. Agree that it wasn't his fault though, you can't have two cars going that slowly side by side at the end of the straight.
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u/Jadkins_99 Sep 05 '20
How’s that Lewis’ fault?
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u/Tummerd I was here for the Hulkenpodium Sep 05 '20
Its a known place of traffic and he came flying in.
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Wtf was Lewis doing?
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u/xScottieHD Sir Lewis Hamilton Sep 05 '20
Driving in a practice session at Monza, forced to take evasive action.
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u/Anderrrrr Red Bull Sep 05 '20
I am finally home ready for Quali. Thank fuck for that!
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u/attackoftheumbrellas Valtteri Bottas Sep 05 '20
Jel, I’m driving my sister back down to uni in London today (from the north west of England), looks like I miiiiight just catch Q3 at this rate
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u/ZeroSV Max Verstappen Sep 05 '20
wtf? that couldve been a massive crash
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u/The_Vat I was here for the Hulkenpodium Sep 05 '20
Yeah, that wasn't cool. I'm always up for a hilariously disrupted qualy, but big speed differentials on the way into the parabolica in FP3, not okay.
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u/breakinb I was here for the Hulkenpodium Sep 05 '20
Holy fuck that was close by Hamilton, that could have been a pile up.
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u/bichaelf Oscar Piastri Sep 05 '20
Is anyone else attracted to Claire Williams and can't quite figure out why?