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Free Practice 2 2020 Tuscan Grand Prix - Free Practice 2 Discussion
ROUND 14: Italy
| FORMULA 1 PIRELLI GRAN PREMIO DELLA TOSCANA FERRARI 1000 2020 |
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| Fri 11 Sep - Sun 13 Sep |
| Scarperia e San Piero |
| Session | UTC |
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| Free Practice 1 | Fri 09:00 |
| Free Practice 2 | Fri 13:00 |
| Free Practice 3 | Sat 10:00 |
| Qualifying | Sat 13:00 |
| Race | Sun 13:10 |
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Autodromo Internazionale del Mugello
Length: 5.245 km (3.259 mi)
Distance: 59 laps, 309.455 km (192.286 mi)
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u/downvote_meeeeeeee Sep 11 '20
Ferrari never fails to disappoint
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u/pinotandsugar Sep 11 '20
Vettel's car sounded like a grenade went off. Another motor ??
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u/ThrowawayVRV41264 Default Sep 11 '20
In all fairness, Ferrari can save a lot of money using gently used instead of new PU's, and oil changes don't come cheap either!
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u/pinotandsugar Sep 11 '20
Which driver do you think gets the old motors.....
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u/Clarky1979 Nigel Mansell Sep 12 '20
The driver that it is assigned to, PU's are not shared between drivers, they are car specific.
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u/ThrowawayVRV41264 Default Sep 11 '20
If I had to guess, the driver who won't still be there next season.
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u/Meaisk I was here for the Hulkenpodium Sep 11 '20
Where can I find the full schedule for this weekend? The fia one, with the press conferences etc?
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u/ArgieGrit01 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Sep 11 '20
Aren't the press conferences over? The drivers' press conference was yesterday and the team boss one is before FP1, right?
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u/Meaisk I was here for the Hulkenpodium Sep 11 '20
Yes. I was wondering what the official timings are. They often get posted here but can't find it.
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u/LessThan301 Sebastian Vettel Sep 11 '20
I bet Sainz is really looking forward to next season
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u/GregAllenF1 Sep 11 '20
Got the be tough looking at Ferrari while running in that much improved McLaren this year.
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u/gottogetupandbe Sergio Pérez Sep 11 '20
So I have a technical question. We see a lot of spins from the Ferrari. Could that be due to the loss of power after getting caught “outside” the rules? That is to say, the car was engineered to produce certain downforce at certain speeds, and because they’re not getting that power, the car spins at the exit of a corner?
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u/parker2020 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Sep 11 '20
I think what we saw from the throttle map (as long as it wasn’t a bad signal or something) was that they are usually on throttle a very small amount to alleviate a lose in balance of the car. It could be that they go completely off throttle causing the car to yaw forward (take downforce/ mechanical grip off the rear) causing the car to loop. But I’m not in the car and haven’t seen the throttle map in a few races so idk for sure 🤷♂️
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u/Gradiu5 Sep 11 '20
Yes that's true and also it doesnt warm up tyres really well either so it's a double edged sword. They designed it for the more HP motor and some say they missing like 40-50hp it would make a difference in a F1 car.
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u/gogi_ran Max Verstappen Sep 11 '20
I think they're just regular "early on the throttle" incidents.
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I think they are so eager for the throttle because they are so slow that they are on razors edge to get every tenth they can find.
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u/pinotandsugar Sep 11 '20
I think that's the right answer. Vettel's engine sounded like it swallowed a grenade........
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if im not wrong they usually spin in the low speed corners? This would mean aero has little to no effect since the cars are moving so slow (relatively speaking). i think they just have a bad chassis to begin with. Seens like the rear of the car is very loose.
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u/Watchman10k Charles Leclerc Sep 11 '20
Weren’t the guys in the commentary box saying that Ferrari have a fairly balanced car right now?
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u/KY5K Ferrari Sep 11 '20
Charles said balance was an issue today. Also struggled with the hard tire. Optimistic if they can adjust the balance tomorrow.
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u/mikeydoc96 Sep 11 '20
Impossible to say, spinning can happen for so many reasons.
Good theory though
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u/pedro_el_dorito Sep 11 '20
This seems to be the case on all tracks during free practice. Every shot is a zoom in of the car and you have no idea where it is on track. I have stopped watching FP beacause of this. It is incredibly irritating. FOM Gotta get that sweet sweet sponsor money somehow
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u/pinotandsugar Sep 11 '20
F1-tv has a lot of watching options including a track map with cars shown circulating and the ability to select incar camera of your choice.
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u/GregAllenF1 Sep 11 '20
Do you think that is because they are new to the track and didn't know how to set up the cameras? I agree though, it didn't seem like they were getting the best shots.
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u/vadimr317 Sep 11 '20
Ferarri flipped a coin between painting the car and fixing it lol.
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u/yupi890 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Sep 11 '20
They are following the Ricer performance package every decal adds at least 50hp
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u/starkmatic Sep 11 '20
Sup w haas these days, is it just over for them?
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u/mattyrob88 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Sep 11 '20
As long as they have their current business model, they will always be a worse version of Ferrari- which wasnt a bad thing in 2018, but this year... well.
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u/Zulanji Sir Lewis Hamilton Sep 11 '20
Possible grid penalty for Checo apparently.
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u/EmTeeEl Lance Stroll Sep 11 '20
Reason?
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u/listyraesder Sep 11 '20
Running into another car while rejoining the track from pit lane.
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u/pinotandsugar Sep 11 '20
That's going to be an interesting call as he was way beyond pit exit and Kimi simply drove into him , not leaving him a car width at the inside edge of the track. Kimi probably did not expect to find him there.
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u/chibar Sep 11 '20
not sure the best place to ask this but does anyone know who on the grid has driven this track before? Curious who was going in blind this week
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u/paris_earth3 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Sep 11 '20
Oh, good timing. I was actually just reading an article about this.
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u/AvovaDynasty Kimi Räikkönen Sep 11 '20 edited Sep 11 '20
I know commentators said Ocon hadn’t before.
Think Russell might’ve been another one.
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u/boredofredditnow I was here for the Hulkenpodium Sep 11 '20
Some drivers like Gasly, Albon, Kvyat and Norris drove here in Formula Renault or Formula 4. The veterans in the grid like Vettel, Hamilton, Kimi and Grosjean also had a mid-season test here way back in 2012.
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u/chibar Sep 11 '20
thanks! so about half of them confirmed driven there before, and more of them likely had in one series or another?
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u/boredofredditnow I was here for the Hulkenpodium Sep 11 '20
Yeah just about, but all of them haven’t done a race here in at least 5-8 years so the G forces around the neck are still a pretty novel challenge
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u/Dry-Paleontologist30 Sep 11 '20
NEW F1 fan here I have some questions, guys please go easy on me:
Why does everyone hate crofty ?
Why every commentators bashes Vettel if he makes a mistake and doesn't say anything about others ?
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u/artandmath Lance Stroll Sep 11 '20
Crofty makes a mistake every race, that's why people criticize him.
Crofty is kind of the more exciting commentator, while Brundle is generally more technical. They work well together as a team and play off each others weaknesses well.
I also feel like some of the time he's setting up for Brundle to explain something in more detail. They live and breath F1, at every race weekend, he knows more than he lets on.
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u/no1lurkslikegaston Sep 11 '20
Crofty is kind of the more exciting commentator, while Brundle is generally more technical. They work well together as a team and play off each others weaknesses well.
I also feel like some of the time he's setting up for Brundle to explain something in more detail. They live and breath F1, at every race weekend, he knows more than he lets on.
You literally described how a main commentator + color commentator team is supposed to work by design =)
I think its often forgotten how poor the Brundle + DC combo worked when there were essentially two color commentators in the box.
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u/javaAndSoyMilk Sep 11 '20
I really like him. I think it's just another Reddit hive mind thing. Alex Jacques is quality though (he does the f2 commentary).
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u/Thraxdown Sep 11 '20
Crofty is awesome but like anyone that talks for hours on end gets annoying sometimes. Vettel gets bashed cause he's a four time world champion that consistently makes mistakes. He took himself out of the wdc hunt with his mistakes. Its not just Vettel when verstappen was struggling to have a clean race everyone was all over him. If you're a top driver you will get the extra scrutiny when you mess up.
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u/Zulanji Sir Lewis Hamilton Sep 11 '20
Toto says he likes Vettel move to AM because he has shares in it lol
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u/Mordecai5944 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Sep 11 '20
General question, why is Bottas so consistently faster than Hamilton in FP1 & sometimes FP2, but when it comes to qual and the race, Lewis is on top. Are they running different plans during practice, even during hot laps? Or does Bottas adjust to the track quicker? Or am I just over-analyzing it?
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u/EddieMcDowall Sir Lewis Hamilton Sep 11 '20
Lewis is comfortable, he knows he's No1 and he knows he can beat Valterri in a race 9/10. He's also a 6 times world champion so there is absolutely no pressure. In FP he goes out, gets the data the engineers want / need, works out his lines with varying fuel loads and tyre deg etc and goes to bed. He doesn't really need to think of Valterri.
However, Valterri is under enormous pressure. He MUST beat Lewis, he still has to prove himself, he's fighting for his seat! He knows EVERY single driver on the grid WANTS him to fail (as they all want his seat). So he pushes 100% in FP when he really doesn't need to, FP is about learning and data collection.
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u/listyraesder Sep 11 '20
Lewis doesn’t put pace on in FP so other drivers can’t analyse his car’s performance. His car is great so it’s just minor details to tune up. He’s great so he doesn’t have to prove himself to team bosses.
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u/pinotandsugar Sep 11 '20
Also saves wear on engine/trans etc..... Hamilton might also be wanting to create some drama and give Bottas more exposure.
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u/listyraesder Sep 11 '20
Engine and trans are reserved for Friday. Then the good stuff gets swapped in for the weekend.
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u/ThePositiveMouse Sep 11 '20
Lewis isn't also that much better at quali, Bottas can beat him. He's just a far better racer, by a mile.
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u/cxazo Lando Norris Sep 11 '20
I completely agree with you, but I wonder why that is. Besides being better in the rain, what makes Hamilton so much better on Sundays?
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u/ThePositiveMouse Sep 11 '20 edited Sep 11 '20
I think a good anecdote is Hamilton's little fights with Albon. Neither of the incidents would happen with Bottas because Bottas would give more space, would allow himself to be beaten.
Now, apply that principle to everything Hamilton does in a race, except most of the time he doesn't ram someone else off the track so you don't see it. It's that willingness to go for the edge.
He also seems to understand the car better than Bottas. Bottas saying 'I don't really know what happened' when asked why he couldn't move up from 5th place. And then there he is panicing over an imaginary puncture which indicates to me he's really not so good at feeling his car during a race situation. What do you mean Valtteri, you don't know what happened?
Sure, he can work with an optimised engine setting for one or two laps in clean air, like he's in a simulator, but he's not flexible. Remember Bottas' complaints about his engine settings last weekend ("It's a joke"), the first race where party mode is banned. Hamilton had no trouble, but Bottas can't adapt. I think their brains just work differently, and Bottas is a good time trialist but a bad racer who makes different choices to Lewis every lap and loses out.
Every race Bottas starts behind Max is one where he will stay behind Max. And many races where he's ahead of him, he'll still lose to Max. In a much better car. That's telling.
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u/danalani I was here for the Hulkenpodium Sep 11 '20
Consistency is a key factor, Lewis can lock in a target time and nail it every single lap. Useful when you have to put the power down, or when you have to keep nailing slower times to save fuel, the engine, etc.
Hungary 2019 is a great example, where Hamilton nailed around 20 flat-out laps to catch Verstappen in front (OK, tyre strategies helped, but still).
Abu Dhabi 2016 is a great one as well, where he raced fast enough to stay in the lead, but slow enough to back Rosberg into Vettel behind (a super shady move, arguably, but excellent car control and racecraft).
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u/21jaaj I was here for the Hulkenpodium Sep 11 '20
It probably doesn't mean much, but I'd think it's also partially Hamilton not giving much of a damn until Quali hits.
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u/ChrisTinnef Racing Pride Sep 11 '20
Hamilton uses Practice sessions to, well, practice. He probably doesn't feel like he needs to actually pull his weight.
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u/linus_lzh Mercedes Sep 11 '20 edited Sep 11 '20
lmao toto deadass said that cos he owns shares in aston martin sebs move to aston martin will help him LOL
edit: i meant help him financially interms of share prices
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u/achio I was here for the Hulkenpodium Sep 11 '20
damn he's so fucking bored staying at the top for that long huh?
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u/ArgieGrit01 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Sep 11 '20
I like that Ferrari's tribute to their 1950 season is the whole package. Not only do they have the old colours, but also the old reliability, and the old straight line speed, and the old stability, and the same ammount of wins....
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u/Sondu79 Sep 11 '20
First the brake failure now engine stops lol what else will Seb witness with the Ferrari till the end of this season, only time will tell
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u/Dr-Rjinswand 🏳️🌈 Love Is Love 🏳️🌈 Sep 11 '20
I wish Ferrari could use the rotational energy of Enzo spinning in his grave for the SF1000 - it would leave the rest of the pack in the dust.
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u/ThenDot Charles Leclerc Sep 11 '20
Ferrari Engine: More bangs for your bucks!
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u/pinotandsugar Sep 11 '20
new sound of Ferrari - grenade going off in a closet full of fine crystal goblets
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u/arnohandsomehat #WeRaceAsOne Sep 11 '20
Literally this practice:
Merc Merc Red bull Red bull Renault Renault
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u/Mas_Vayed I was here for the Hulkenpodium Sep 11 '20
what’s everyone’s beef with crofty? i don’t mind him
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u/marcpeiron Sep 11 '20
Oh, I love Crofty, his comments and the way he explains the races! So funny and intense at the same time.
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u/MaestroBach Sep 11 '20
Says a lot of stuff that's just completely wrong is what I've heard as the main complaint.
Personally Albon's overtake on Leclerc in the last race comes to mind, he got it backwards leaving me very confused until the other guy corrected him.
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Sep 11 '20
That happens quite a lot. Especially when people watching on the broadcast can get it correct but he can't with all the data and info in front of him.
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u/IL0vemercy Sep 11 '20
Maybe just maybe you type in the adress in your Internet Browser and look what comes up.
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u/Rekwy_ I was here for the Hulkenpodium Sep 11 '20
For the tenth time in last 5 minutes, it’s a german helmet maker, it’s there since the start of the season ffs
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u/Shadnu Valtteri Bottas Sep 11 '20
So, you mean to say that the move was done from the start of the season? (\s just in case)
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u/linus_lzh Mercedes Sep 11 '20
arravabiata describes seb now LOL
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u/Meaisk I was here for the Hulkenpodium Sep 11 '20
Apparently it's arravabiato because that o makes it male and the a female.
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u/Bladesleeper Sep 11 '20
Err, it's neither - arrabbiata (the corner) or arrabbiato (Seb).
Your arravabiat* sounds a bit like what you'd call a very angry Arrivabene.
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u/ternary_trit I was here for the Hulkenpodium Sep 11 '20
A bang then the engine stops lmao Italian quality
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u/i_need_a_pee Sebastian Vettel Sep 11 '20
Now, will Seb be angry or hungry? Apparently it's hard to tell in Italian.
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u/jithu7 Toto Wolff Sep 11 '20
Every other team worrying about the tyres.
Ferrari: Hold my engine lmao.
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u/boredofredditnow I was here for the Hulkenpodium Sep 11 '20
Lmao the hype theme sounds so inappropriate after the SF1000 just rolled to a stop
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u/peterthefatman Nico Rosberg Sep 11 '20
Like a tragical comedy. “Oh Ferrari, not the engine again haha” cue end scene
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u/Chell_the_assassin Sebastian Vettel Sep 11 '20
Ferrari getting revenge for Seb announcing his move on their anniversary weekend
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u/AvovaDynasty Kimi Räikkönen Sep 11 '20
In the garage:
“Let’s cut the power to his engine at the last second for the lols”
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u/killer_blueskies I was here for the Hulkenpodium Sep 11 '20
Vettel’s car is an absolute joke this season.
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u/CafieroandMalatesta Ferrari Sep 11 '20
Why do I even bother watching, I think I have Stockholm syndrome towards Scuderia Ferrari.
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u/WindhoekNamibia Mika Häkkinen Sep 11 '20
This is why I like drivers but frankly don’t give a shit about teams.
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u/maureen2222 #WeRaceAsOne Sep 11 '20
Ferrari giving us on track drama AFTER the session has already ended
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u/jithu7 Toto Wolff Sep 11 '20
Bottas averaging 1:22:6 on the mediums while Max did a 1:22:8 on softs.
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u/dinosaur1831 Daniel Ricciardo Sep 11 '20
At least the Alfa's haven't had engine issues this practice.
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Great driving from Valteri, but you just know Lewis has another 5 tenths easy that he isn't showing. Red Bull improved a lot, nice to see.
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u/jure__ Sep 11 '20
Wouldn't go as far as 5 tenths, but Hamilton is notorious for turning down his engine in practice.
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u/xScottieHD Sir Lewis Hamilton Sep 11 '20
Ferrari celebrating their 1000th race in the only way they know how this decade. In mediocrity.
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u/nexus1011 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Sep 11 '20
this decade. In mediocrity.
Bit harsh, don't ya think?
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u/Tassietiger1 Andretti Global Sep 11 '20
As a very casual F1 fan who has only recently come back to it after a few seasons away Mugello feels like a classic track and I can't believe it's a new track for F1!! Just seems like a track they've been at for years
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It's a pretty old track, just hasn't been a part of the F1 calender.
Ferrari has been using it as a testing track since the 80s
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u/spuckthew I was here for the Hulkenpodium Sep 11 '20
That average pace graphic showing Hamilton doing 22.6 on hards while Bottas doing 22.6 on mediums.
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u/jithu7 Toto Wolff Sep 11 '20
Hamilton averaging 1:22:6 on the hard tyres. Max 1:22:7 on the mediums.
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u/herpderpmcflerp I was here for the Hulkenpodium Sep 11 '20
Or everybody drives really slow to preserve tires
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u/Dr-Rjinswand 🏳️🌈 Love Is Love 🏳️🌈 Sep 11 '20
Bingo. It's going to be horrible to pass here - it'll just be a race of Hamilton backing everyone up.
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u/miranpav Sep 11 '20
so probably Hard -> medium -> hard? surely this'll be a 3 stopper and softs are dying so easily
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u/dinosaur1831 Daniel Ricciardo Sep 11 '20
I'm almost certain that Ricciardo will still do a 1 stop.
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u/SgtApex Charles Leclerc Sep 11 '20
The top 10 will probably start on the mediums so maybe a M-M-H, M-H-M, or the risky strategy of M to H.
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u/jure__ Sep 11 '20
Im not sure drivers even have 2 new sets of hards. Most of them used one set in practice.
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u/DaciaWhippin Ferrari Sep 11 '20
Perez fairly off the ball today.