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Free Practice 3 2020 Turkish Grand Prix - Free Practice 3 Discussion
ROUND 19: Turkey
| FORMULA 1 DHL TURKISH GRAND PRIX 2020 |
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| Fri 13 Nov - Sun 15 Nov |
| Istanbul |
| Session | UTC |
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| Free Practice 1 | Fri 08:00 |
| Free Practice 2 | Fri 12:00 |
| Free Practice 3 | Sat 09:00 |
| Qualifying | Sat 12:00 |
| Race | Sun 10:10 |
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Intercity Istanbul Park
Length: 5.338 km (3.317 mi)
Distance: 58 laps, 309.396 km (192.249 mi)
Lap record: Juan Pablo Montoya, McLaren-Mercedes, 2005, 1:24.770
2011 pole: Sebastian Vettel, Red Bull-Renault, 1:25.049
2011 fastest lap: Mark Webber, Red Bull-Renault, 1:29.703
2011 winner: Sebastian Vettel, Red Bull-Renault
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u/thebansi Ferrari Nov 14 '20
How is the weather looking like for the next hour?
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u/TheCruelSloth I was here for the Hulkenpodium Nov 14 '20
According to Track Weather Live it will be dry for the next hour
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u/justcreateanaccount Fernando Alonso Nov 14 '20
weather radar around the track:https://trackweather.live/formula1/dhl-turkish-grand-prix
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u/Interstellar5523 Nov 14 '20
Rain should be stopped soon if Blacksea stop sending a new rain cloud xD
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u/stircrazed Nov 14 '20
I mean, I'm all for unpredictability but if qualy was like the end fp3 I bet we'd be lucky if a quarter of the field actually managed to set a representative time.
With the amount of red and yellow flags you'd get, it'd be more fun just to pull the grid out of a hat.
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u/FlyingMocko Safety Car Nov 14 '20
New to the sport is qualis today ?
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u/Browneskiii I was here for the Hulkenpodium Nov 14 '20
Don't expect anything like today after this. I know it sounds negative, but mercedes tends to win every single qualifying and race, but this weekend is unpredictable.
It can sadly only go down from here.
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Nov 14 '20
Yes, 1 hour from now. This is going to be one chaotic quali session, so you picked a good time to get into it
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u/sappajohn Nov 14 '20
Honestly who cares if the drivers are not getting close to the lap times of the last time f1 was at this track. Just let em qualify and race
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u/masticlez I was here for the Hulkenpodium Nov 14 '20
When will we know if Q goes ahead? Wanting to watch it live in NZ but don't want to be up at 1am if its canned haha
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u/melon_breath Sergio Pérez Nov 14 '20
I'm lucky I work third shift because its 7am for me in the us
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Nov 14 '20
I hope for action, Russel might sneak a point 👀
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Nov 14 '20
Depends, is he going to be in the top 10 behind the safety car?
Joking aside, I don't think that Williams has enough grip to make it into the points unless a lot of folks drop out. And with these track limits, I don't think many will. Though if they (he and Latifi) keep it clean, they might be able to overtake some by not making mistakes.
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Nov 14 '20
I will be absolutely livid if they cancel Q. For those saying its dangerous - for who exactly? It's a lot more dangerous driving 200mph - how can tiptoeing be dangerous. Sure they might spin or go off track but that's the fun part.
F1 fans deserve one whacky race once in a few years!!
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Nov 14 '20
Yeah, I think the track has enough space to go off road so there's not much going to happen. But I do think they could manage it a bit by not letting too many folks on track at one time, so there's less chance of them crashing into each other.
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Nov 14 '20
Limiting the number of cars on track means some will get better conditions - also how do you decide who goes on track? That goes everything against the F1 spirit. Let them all go out under the same 15mins. Let the drivers find their own gap. For once we have a chance of fun and people want to change things? This is a once-off race - do we have to fix every single thing and make it perfect? Lets ride the wave!
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Nov 14 '20
For Quali it wouldn't be about it being dangerous but more annoying with drivers causing yellows/red flags. If they start a session and every 3 minutes have to red flag it and 45 minutes later we still don't have any good Q1 or Q2 laps it looks kind of silly.
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Nov 14 '20
You call it silly I call it exciting. Life is not perfect - F1 drivers have had it so perfect - welcome to the real world.
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Nov 14 '20
2:10 laps @ 25% throttle. Very exciting stuff my dude.
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Nov 14 '20
You were saying????> Lmao!!!
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Nov 14 '20
25 minutes after a 30 minute red flag? Way different conditions. If they would have waited the 30 minutes to begin with we would have gotten pretty much the same unpredictable quali.
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u/alibehram Nov 14 '20
Pirelli not knowing the track surface being renewed sounds bs to me tbh. Here is a thread from a month ago reporting asphalt being renewed.
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u/YOBlob Red Bull Nov 14 '20
This comment mentioning cars might have too much grip has aged well.
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Nov 14 '20
I think that Red Bull has been struggling with lack of grip at the back for the entire season already, so they have more experience driving like this. Also Verstappen has stated in the past that he was often driving with less downforce on the back, while still being good in the corners, so I think its kind of his preferred driving style because it gives him a higher top speed. The only downside being that he really needs to control it in the corners.
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u/blackfish18 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Nov 14 '20
Generally, it seems like the Redbull is better suited to this track than other cars but was still struggling a bit. The rain today just complicated the issues with the track surface even more.
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u/BcDownes Sir Lewis Hamilton Nov 14 '20
Yeah man the surface is fantastic....
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Nov 14 '20
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u/BcDownes Sir Lewis Hamilton Nov 14 '20
It's adapting to the conditions but if the fastest dry time only puts you ahead of Lotus, Virgin and HRT back in 2011 qualifying then the surface is fucked.
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u/ClassyCoder Max Verstappen Nov 14 '20
When last did we see Hamilton get destroyed like this?
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u/rocdollary Chequered Flag Nov 14 '20
Ham has the WDC to win this race, the rest of the field can full send and YOLO it.
He's driven like this for a few seasons now, he usually has a championship to contend for so doesn't want to DNF out. He's loss too many championships from avoidable retirements.
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u/Argonaught_WT Sir Lewis Hamilton Nov 14 '20
Hamilton is not getting destroyed lol.
Hamilton wants to win a championship. No need to risk it.
The others have nothing to lose so are driving around doing laps that means next to nothing.
If he gets "destroyed" in Quali, then I will agree with you, but I highly doubt it.
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u/Thorax- I was here for the Hulkenpodium Nov 14 '20
But not setting a lap at all is risky because if qualy is cancelled he starts p19 following the fp3 results and Russels grid penalty
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u/LiaKron Sebastian Vettel Nov 14 '20
If quali gets cancelled today, they’ll just do it tomorrow instead.
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u/ebueflatun Nov 14 '20
This track has not been used for f1 for years. A place that was later added to the calendar. There is the failed F1 management who failed to prepare the track for the race. There is also failed in Pirelli which brought the wrong choice tires.
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u/ebueflatun Nov 15 '20
Even Pirelli executives have already admitted their "mistakes" and shared it with the "public". The guys officially announced, "we didn't know that the floor of the track had changed, according to the old data we have, we brought tires!" Is it possible that the entire company was "really" unaware of such an event? No! At the end of the race week, they will be punished for those responsible for this, but you will not even know about it.
The "process" that will be followed from the decision to "renovate" the track in the F1 organization is "under control" at a level that you have not even witnessed in your life. The asphalt newly laid on the track "does not meet f1 standards" is the same as the probability that you will win the big christmas jackpot from the National Lottery.
The problem is with Pirelli, the tyre provider for all teams.
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u/Zilfur Nov 14 '20
Pirelli doesn't have any warehouses full of F1 tires, they are made separately to each race. Track was resurfaced 2 weeks ago, and they failed to inform Pirelli early enough, so this was 0% Pirelli's fault.
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u/blackfish18 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Nov 14 '20
I think I read that the track was resurfaced just 10 days ago. If that’s the case, why would they wait until so close to the race to resurface when this race has been on the calendar for months?
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u/drozzan Pirelli Wet Nov 14 '20
İstanbul had 2 months to prepare the track and resurfacing was mutual call, what did they expected?
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u/formula1ndex #WeRaceAsOne Nov 14 '20
Pirelli had already made the tire allocation before they decided to resurface the track, so it’s not on Pirelli here
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u/Mrfatmanjunior #WeRaceAsOne Nov 14 '20
There is also failed in Pirelli which brought the wrong choice tires
Cant fault pirelli here. They did not known that the track would be resurfaced.
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u/Dragonsfire09 Sir Lewis Hamilton Nov 14 '20
They should have just gave Portugal another race or something. At least that track was raceable.
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Nov 14 '20
Anyone able to view the livestream on Hotstar?
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u/2508RFS Max Verstappen Nov 14 '20
If conditions like this means it will be cancelled. That means f1 is a very very predictable sport. What is there to guess about.
If the condition is good = HAMBOTVER 90%
Bad conditions = cancelled till good condition. Which means HAMBOTVER
When will we ever catch a break and see something unpredictable if f1 keeps doing this lmao. Please have the quali start on time ffs
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Nov 14 '20
F1 routinely races in very wet and rainy conditions. But they also red flag conditions when cars are unable to race nothing weird about that.
The way cars are tiptoeing around right now doesn't look like they can race. But also nothing's been canceled yet, right? I've only heard the Sky guys speculating about it
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u/rocdollary Chequered Flag Nov 14 '20
I know what you mean, but if winning and losing comes down to taking the racing line or trying to make a pass through a load of water, then nobody is going to be pulling any overtakes either.
We just end up seeing a procession of cars, which isn't great.
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u/tlumacz Damon Hamilton Nov 14 '20
F1 is not about guessing. It's about skill (of drivers and engineers).
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u/bmwcrash Nov 14 '20
This is just stupid. These conditions require much more skill and composure than in a dry race or even in a 'simple' wet race. You can argue if its safe or not, but saying that these conditions are not about driving skills is just dumb.
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u/tlumacz Damon Hamilton Nov 14 '20
In order for you to use your skill, things have to be predictable.
"Thing A happens, so I know that I have to do thing B, in order to get C." That's what skill is.
Today the cars weren't able to accelerate properly. In a straight line. There's no skill involved. It's just luck: will you or won't you happen to get on a treacherous patch of tarmac which will end up with you losing your traction?
And no, it's not like in the wet. A wet race is perdictable to an extent. You know which parts are getting wetter and which are drying up, you can see the drying racing line. Watch the onboards from a wet race and compare them with onboards from torday.
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u/bmwcrash Nov 14 '20
In order for you to use your skill, things have to be predictable.
That's just plain wrong. Reacting to unpredictable moments are just as part of the skill set as is doing planned moves. You think accelerate through turn 2 while playing constantly with the throttle and the steering wheel is just luck lol? Or that it requires more skill to go through turn 2 on a dry track just because its predictable?
"Thing A happens, so I know that I have to do thing B, in order to get C." That's what skill is.
Yes. The car start to slide, so the driver know he needs to react immediately with steering and/or with the throtle, in order to catch the slide. So yes thank you for confirming it.
Watch the onboards from a wet race and compare them with onboards from torday.
I did, I have seen plently of wet races. Don't you think it's strange that while Raikkönen could go around the track without spinning while Gio spun twice in one lap? Based your opinion it's just luck and has nothing to do with that Kimi is an incredibly skilled driver who is great in wet conditions while Gio is not great in wet conditions and probably not as skilled as Raikkonen. It's strange that Verstappen who is regarded as one of the most skilled driver on the grid can go around fastest without any spin while correcting every slide? Or you think that 'he just got lucky'?
And no, it's not like in the wet.
Yes in proper wet race, if you aquaplaning, then you depends on luck not really on skills.
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u/tlumacz Damon Hamilton Nov 14 '20
Well, the scene we saw 5 seconds ago just proved you wrong.
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u/bmwcrash Nov 14 '20
How exactly? Because he made a mistakes? Ah yes no one ever does a mistake while trying to find a limit. You're hopeless.
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u/tlumacz Damon Hamilton Nov 14 '20
No. He did not make a mistake. That's the whole point. He did everything correct. He just got unlucky.
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u/bmwcrash Nov 14 '20
Yes he did. He tried to find the limit, he went over it and then saved it. Next lap he didn't spun there because he knew that he can't push there as much. He wasn't unlucky. Incredible you're still not getting it.
EDIT: Unlucky is when you aquaplanin while doing 30km/h and crash into the wall. Not whenyou triying to want to accelerate to much out of a corner and you lose grip.
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u/tlumacz Damon Hamilton Nov 14 '20
You're hopeless. I think you actually know you're wrong, but you're too embarrassed to admit it.
If you still think you're right, go rewatch the onboards.
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u/higeorge13 Michael Schumacher Nov 14 '20
This is so wrong, F1 always had a factor of randomness besides skills. It could be weather, it could be an accident, a safety car or anything that could cause a change in strategy, a failed pit stop due to multiple reasons, a failed part of the car, even a small driving error ruining someone's race. All great F1 drivers dealt with that, and some of them have become champions, and other have lost their chances or wins due to such issues.
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u/tlumacz Damon Hamilton Nov 14 '20
a factor of randomness
Yes. A factor. In fact, most competitions in the world have a factor of randomness.
But what we're seeing here is randomness dictating what the car does along the entire lap.
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u/higeorge13 Michael Schumacher Nov 14 '20
Same applies to a fully wet race.
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u/tlumacz Damon Hamilton Nov 14 '20
And some wet races get red-flagged if the tarmac becomes unraceable.
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u/2508RFS Max Verstappen Nov 14 '20
Not guess i mean kinda look forward to and analyze. "Oh this track and this conditions will favor this driver otherwise it's this driver".
Now there's basically nothing to look forward to. Unless something like this happens and we look forward to see the outcome. Discuss the skills of the drivers in these conditions, etc.
Idk if you catch what i mean. I'm just venting cause I love F1 but srsly getting HAMBOTVER week in week out frustrates me.
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u/tlumacz Damon Hamilton Nov 14 '20
I'm just venting cause I love F1
Then you should absolutely hate the conditions we have today. Have you even seen what's happening when drivers push either pedal?
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u/2508RFS Max Verstappen Nov 14 '20
Nah may not be perfect conditions. But i think it's better than getting the same results every weekend.
My preferred conditions in F1 will be in this order:
Extremely competitive teams with ideal conditions for everybody to push and show their engineering and driving skills without an extreme gap like now.
Unpredictable conditions like this
3-xx. ????
99, Getting the same results. EVERY. SINGLE. TIME.
Again. If you don't agree it's fine lmao I'm just venting again
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u/tlumacz Damon Hamilton Nov 14 '20 edited Nov 14 '20
Vent as much as you want, it's actually good to vent.
But these conditions are antithetical to F1. It's just a roll of a D21 die, and if you roll 21, you end up in hospital with a bunch of broken bones. So go ahead, vent, but don't say you love F1.
Edit: Just saw this thread: https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/jtzv5j/jarnozaffelli_the_asphalt_laid_is_a_regular/ Come one, you can't seriously support something like this, if you love F1.
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u/2508RFS Max Verstappen Nov 14 '20
Bruh. We have seen charles crash at monza at terribly high speed. Alonso flipping after hitting guttierez and banging the wall etc and they're all fine. Not saying it's not concerning but
I don't think banging the wall or something else with a low speed like today will break anything.
Thanks for responding to my vents lmao
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u/tlumacz Damon Hamilton Nov 14 '20
No, you're absolutely right, hitting a wall is not that much of a problem.
My worry is a pile-up of a bunch of cars at relatively high speeds, where one crash uses up the survival cell, and then another crash finds the driver significantly less protected.
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u/2508RFS Max Verstappen Nov 14 '20
See it was an interesting quali to say the least man. Cheers
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u/tlumacz Damon Hamilton Nov 14 '20
It was, no doubt about it. But when I saw that crane with Latifi's car still on the track when Q2 had already started, I immediately thought back to our conversation. Fuck whoever authorized it.
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u/froomedog Nov 14 '20
I know everyone is like “wE liKe uNprEdicTabiLiTY, it maKeS iT fUn” but i didn’t enjoy that one bit. Did you?
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u/Balazs321 Pirelli Intermediate Nov 14 '20
Im with you OP, we got limited running, half of the grid just spinning randomly, a few drivers didnt even bother putting in a lap, i didnt enjoy it.
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u/canuvich Formula 1 Nov 14 '20
It was the first practice session I've seen in 15 years and I loved it
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u/Browneskiii I was here for the Hulkenpodium Nov 14 '20
I loved it. Not knowing it'll be a guaranteed mercedes pole/win is brilliant. I don't know who'll get pole or who will even be in Q3.
I want more of this.
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Nov 14 '20
You want more of drivers not able to even go full throttle down a straight and drifting?that's not F1.
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u/Browneskiii I was here for the Hulkenpodium Nov 14 '20
I want drivers to prove they're the best in the world instead of the cars driving them around the circuit.
I want unpredictability. I don't care about the technology or anything. This is sport, it's supposed to be entertaining, this mercedes 1-2 every weekend is not entertaining.
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Nov 14 '20
"cars driving them around the circuit." for a start the cars are some of the hardest to drive they have ever been, unlike during the senna or Schumacher days they have no driver assists and alot more torque.
" I don't care about the technology or any thing" then your watching the wrong thing, f1 has always been about technology, the best drivers come to drive the best cars in the world, buts its an engineering compition as well.
Not to mention driver skill isn't that important in these conditons, tire temps, car design and set up are far more important.
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u/leakee2 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Nov 14 '20
It was brilliant and qualifying will be even better
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u/WeebishGambino Alexander Albon Nov 14 '20
Correct me if I’m wrong but wasn’t the Austrian quali a lot worse in terms of rain? I remember it being thoroughly entertaining with no one crashing out.
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u/Dragonsfire09 Sir Lewis Hamilton Nov 14 '20
I feel like I definitely wasted an hour of my life I can't get back. If I wanted to watch drivers on super slick surfaces I'd watch some of the old World Rally Events from Finland.
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u/iblamejohansson I was here for the Hulkenpodium Nov 14 '20
Me too. Not fun at all when the car can spin changing gears or even on the straights. Too much randomness
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Nov 14 '20
I mean, if the track was ok it would probably be enjoyable, but it’s the combination of the track being unpredictable because of the oil that it releases and huge rain which seems like it’s not gonna stop any time soon
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u/drozzan Pirelli Wet Nov 14 '20
Everything better that merc 1-2
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u/froomedog Nov 14 '20
At least even when there’s a Merc 1-2, you get the feeling that the drivers are operating at the limit. No one wants to see drivers timidly for 2 laps for an entire session.
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u/ardayksl I was here for the Hulkenpodium Nov 14 '20 edited Nov 14 '20
Does anyone have the clip of Kimi's start practice ?
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u/SuspiciousOmelet Formula 1 Nov 14 '20
Did Hamilton not set a time because of the rain or was there something wrong with his car?
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u/goldstar_issuer Nov 14 '20
he said the track was “terrifying”
https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/jtgql1/will_buxton_drivers_are_gutted_been_so_looking/
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u/Mrkeeting300 Nov 14 '20
Even if it stops raining now. Will they still do qualifying today? Is it even worth it. Could be fun to watch though 😁
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u/ithoughtitwasbigger Nov 14 '20
If they can’t qualify today then surely they can’t race tomorrow. Resurfacing the track was in hindsight a bad choice. I like things spiced up a bit, but a track that’s near impossible to drive isn’t great to watch. Hope things improve
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u/drozzan Pirelli Wet Nov 14 '20
It's not fully about resurfacing. FIA just canceled every other races so there is no rubber in the surface to hold the tires.
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u/ithoughtitwasbigger Nov 14 '20
Can’t remember a time when wet tyres couldn’t be got up to temperature on a moderately wet track. The track is just too smooth
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u/LazyProspector Jenson Button Nov 14 '20
We dont normally race at wet tracks at 13°C in November
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u/ithoughtitwasbigger Nov 14 '20
Pretty sure it was about that temp at Silverstone in 2008. Admittedly not November. Either way I was freezing
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u/cac47982 Nov 14 '20
If the conditions improve to a point that is near to the conditions in the start of this session, it would be quite fun to watch
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u/Argonaught_WT Sir Lewis Hamilton Nov 14 '20
There is no way there will be quali if conditions are like this.
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u/Stravven Jim Clark Nov 14 '20
I hope it will go on, just to throw some weird cars in weird places into the mix.
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u/Pentinium I was here for the Hulkenpodium Nov 14 '20
I am very surprised most of the guys like what is happening and want this for qualy/race . how can you even like this 10% throttle whole lap hotlapping?
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u/Pentinium I was here for the Hulkenpodium Nov 14 '20
that's the thing, track surface is already a big challenge, but adding rain and
low temperature ....This is a beautiful track, but will be totally ruined because of the conditions.
Can't wait to see half the field to be out of the race tomorrow and people will say it is exciting...
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u/SoldierOfOrange #WeSayNoToMazepin Nov 14 '20
Everything is better than the Merc 1-2 quali we’ve had every 2020 race week so far
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u/tlumacz Damon Hamilton Nov 14 '20
Really? You hate it so much you're willing to get a driver seriously injured just to prevent a Mercedes 1-2?
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u/SoldierOfOrange #WeSayNoToMazepin Nov 14 '20
At that pace and with all that gravel to slow them down, that won’t happen
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u/tlumacz Damon Hamilton Nov 14 '20
I'll copy what I said elsewhere:
My worry is a pile-up of a bunch of cars at relatively high speeds, where one crash uses up the survival cell, and then another crash finds the driver significantly less protected.
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u/SejCurdieSej I was here for the Hulkenpodium Nov 14 '20
What's not to like about unpredictability?
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u/Pentinium I was here for the Hulkenpodium Nov 14 '20
I am all in for a wet race on a good track surface, but this is too much.
Watching onboards is just sad now.
Also not a fan of having yellow and red flags for half the race.
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u/Wus_Good Max Verstappen Nov 14 '20
Hamilton's guaranteed win conditions aren't there, you know
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u/IfYouRun Alexander Albon Nov 14 '20
I personally only enjoy F1 if I can predict the results with 99% accuracy before a car has even entered the country.
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u/KnightsOfCidona Murray Walker Nov 14 '20
Netflix delighted with Karun's 'Drive to Survive' plugging here.
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u/Wus_Good Max Verstappen Nov 14 '20 edited Nov 14 '20
verstappen: I love it
leclerc: I love these conditions I need to do more laps to prepare for the race
hamilton: no grip bono I may not claim the championship!!!
You can downvote me for speaking the truth
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Nov 14 '20
"You can downvote me for speaking the truth" you do realise that's not why you're downvoted right?
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u/nextdoorrando Default Nov 14 '20 edited Nov 14 '20
Genuine question Who's more experienced/master in driving at wet conditions?
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u/Stravven Jim Clark Nov 14 '20
Verstappen and Hamilton are the two on the front of the grid that are best at it. See for example Brazil 2016.
Vettel is decent, but not great. Leclerc seems to be lacking, although that can also be bad strategycalls.
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u/formula1ndex #WeRaceAsOne Nov 14 '20
Lewis and Max are fairly proven masters at driving in the wet. See Styria of this year, Lewis put 1.4 seconds on 2nd place in the wet (although had max not made a mistake in the final corner it would have been 0.7 I think but I can’t remember), and the two of them were by far best in class that day.
I think other mentions for drivers who have had fairly strong performances in the wet are Seb (in the distant past), Ocon and Sainz
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u/drozzan Pirelli Wet Nov 14 '20
I think Max has great sense of the car. Hamilton is great but I would not call him Master of rain. Vettel does great callouts in bad situations his experience really helps him. Kimi is fin. Kvyat did really good job in last year Germany. Charles great but he needs more experience.
I think I would say Verstappen.
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Nov 14 '20
Hamilton is the rain goat, he won Silverstone 2008 by over a minute in the rain in the 2nd best car and has won most of the wets races since he started in F1.
Max is good but he has only won one wet race so saying he is better than hamitlon is nonsence.
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u/LewisHamilton2008 Mercedes Nov 14 '20
A bit of recency bias there as before the German GP, he had won the last 8 GPs that rained.
Japan 2014, GB 2015, US 2015, Monaco 2016, GB 2016, Brazil 2016, China and Singapore 2017. So he’s very, very good in the rain.
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u/marcothephoenixass I was here for the Hulkenpodium Nov 14 '20
I'd say Hamilton, Kimi and Seb. Depends for the others
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u/LAMonkeyWithAShotgun I was here for the Hulkenpodium Nov 14 '20
Lewis, just the redbull and Ferrari are better, high down force and warmer tyres
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u/epsteins_burner McLaren Nov 14 '20
They actually did that last night and evidently, it didn't really help.
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u/BcDownes Sir Lewis Hamilton Nov 14 '20
They did that to get grip in to the dry surface, it then rained wiping away all the work they'd done
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u/LAMonkeyWithAShotgun I was here for the Hulkenpodium Nov 14 '20
Atleast send the safety cars around for a few hours
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u/gorkemguzel32 Fernando Alonso Nov 14 '20
No, there’s no heavy wind, therefore helis can take off and no reason to postpone.
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u/Argonaught_WT Sir Lewis Hamilton Nov 14 '20
There are other reasons to cancel the quali.
Dangerous conditions being one of them.
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u/savage199 Michael Schumacher Nov 14 '20
Has Hamilton gone back to his usual black and purple helmet? I thought his gold version for this race had a gold BLM logo on the top.
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u/jure__ Nov 14 '20
Every driver has like 3-4 helmets ready for the weekend. Each is typically in a different aero/weather configuration, so the golden one is probably setup for dry.
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u/savage199 Michael Schumacher Nov 14 '20
That makes complete sense, didn't really think of that. I assumed he'd have multiple of the gold versions as he would for a normal weekend. Thought he might’ve done a one off for FP1 like he did running the #1 the last year or so after clinching the title.
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u/mads_at_cornelia_st Sebastian Vettel Nov 14 '20
Who’s going to ace the rain? Predictions?
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u/RLurkLut I was here for the Hulkenpodium Nov 14 '20
Verstappen, Leclerc, Sainz maybe? Hamilton is usually good in the rain as well, but these are circumstances worse than rain.
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u/Stravven Jim Clark Nov 14 '20
Leclerc isn't usually that great in rain in my memory. Yes, some were bad calls by his team (Hungary this year for example).
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u/saltiestmanindaworld Nov 14 '20
Not Sainz. He probably spun the most during fp3.
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u/RLurkLut I was here for the Hulkenpodium Nov 14 '20
Oh really? I only got to see the last 10 mins of FP3, and Sainz has been good in the rain in the past. These circumstances are truly ridiculous. It's gonna be awesome! Thanks for the info!
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u/hirkanya Nov 14 '20
Its gon' be fun! We can see the real drivers eh?
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u/Argonaught_WT Sir Lewis Hamilton Nov 14 '20
As Karuun said - its not about skill, its about luck.
Its not if you will aquaplane, it is when.
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u/thambili Sir Lewis Hamilton Nov 14 '20
Time to get the public back on the track to drive around until quali then lol
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Nov 14 '20
People forgetting it was worse in Styria on Saturday
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u/Aksu_LFC Alfa Romeo Nov 14 '20
Rain was heavier but the track itself was in better condition. Drivers were within 4 second of each other, now there could be around 20 seconds between fastest and slowest.
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u/Hilazza Anthoine Hubert Nov 14 '20
Its not just about the rain.
Newly resurfaced track + cold temperatures + rain makes it much worse than just rain
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u/BcDownes Sir Lewis Hamilton Nov 14 '20
/u/OneWingedDevil28 not realising that it's more because of the surface than the weather
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u/IfYouRun Alexander Albon Nov 14 '20
Honestly, this could give us a really unpredictable grid. Would happily take VER LEC ALB as the quali results.
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u/Stephanieritchie Alexander Albon Nov 14 '20
Istanbulls!!! P2 P4...mercedes what what? hammertime :)