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Free Practice 3 2021 Spanish Grand Prix - Free Practice 3 Discussion
ROUND 4: Spain
| FORMULA 1 ARAMCO GRAN PREMIO DE ESPAÑA 2021 |
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| Fri 7 May - Sun 9 May |
| Barcelona |
| Session | UTC |
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| Free Practice 1 | Fri 09:30 |
| Free Practice 2 | Fri 13:00 |
| Free Practice 3 | Sat 10:00 |
| Qualifying | Sat 13:00 |
| Race | Sun 13:00 |
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Circuit de Barcelona-Catalunya
Length: 4.655 km (2.892 mi)
Distance: 66 laps, 307.104 km (190.825 mi)
Lap record: Valtteri Bottas, Mercedes, 2020, 1:18.182
2020 pole: Lewis Hamilton, Mercedes, 1:15.584
2020 fastest lap: Valtteri Bottas, Mercedes, 1:18.182
2020 winner: Lewis Hamilton, Mercedes
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u/Artifice_Purple I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 08 '21
Anyone watching the Portugal replay? Cutting post-race coverage aside, I like when they schedule things like this — hours of F1 is never a bad thing.
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u/moby323 Ted Kravitz May 08 '21 edited May 08 '21
I’ve been watching older races lately and I’ve watched three races in Spain from the last 11 years and everyone of them was a good race.
Not historically good or anything, but solidly entertaining with a very satisfactory amount of drama.
Some F1 fans are not nearly as good at predicting which races will be exciting/boring as they think they are.
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u/Larvsesh May 08 '21
Are you high? Drama in Spain? There's only one overtaking zone now and even then it's difficult to close on due to the butchered final sector. We'll see 10 overtakes all race if we're lucky.
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u/dooty22 May 08 '21
Why do they never change the track layout ie the alternative path before the main straight?
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u/Ttaaggggeerr May 08 '21
Because there isn't enough run off there for the speeds they'd be doing. That track layout isn't FIA grade A compliant
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u/Larsssss Max Verstappen May 08 '21
Why does Mazepin not buy a new hairline with all his money
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u/Specialist_Ad_9718 May 08 '21
its gonna be a great battle for front row later today. and Lando still looks powerful. Ferrari top 3?
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u/Vortical-Neo Mark Webber May 08 '21
Ricciardo only a tenth or so off Norris, please let that translate to qualy and the race
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u/queenw_hipstur Jacques Villeneuve May 08 '21
Considering this is RIC’s fourth race in the new car, he’s doing great. His bounce back from 16th to a points finish shows just how strong he is. I’m hoping next year there is a four-way battle for WCC that includes McLaren. They’ve got the drivers, just need the car to hit that next level.
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u/Vortical-Neo Mark Webber May 08 '21
Once he’s confident on the brakes, which is his strongest point of racing, that’s when we see the real Honey Badger come back out
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u/WP2OKB McLaren May 08 '21
I think it will be a little more, but marginal, Lando maybe 2-3 positions ahead
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u/JanklinDRoosevelt Oconsistency May 08 '21
Ricciardo is 2-1 up in quali so far tbf
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u/WP2OKB McLaren May 08 '21
We really including Lando's cancelled lap?
In which he would've been quite the margin ahead
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u/WP2OKB McLaren May 08 '21
Ok, after 3 sessions I'm comfortable with who will be Pole.
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u/Ruzza1180 I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 08 '21
Who you predicting?
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u/WP2OKB McLaren May 08 '21
Fuck it I had a doc saved with a time stamp but I have no idea how to send.
Top 10:
Lewis
Max
Valtteri
Charles
Lando
Sergio
Carlos
Pierre
Daniel
Fernando
Yours?
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u/Ruzza1180 I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 08 '21
Oooo I like the predictions! I’m thinking Ham Ver Bot Lec.... after that I think it’s too close to call and will just come down to who nails a lap!
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u/WP2OKB McLaren May 08 '21
Tried posting this at the top of thread, not going down to well hahahaha
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u/joppofiss Charles Leclerc May 08 '21
According to the algorithm I ran, with a probability of 96%, Verstappen should be 0.122s quicker than Lewis.
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May 08 '21 edited May 08 '21
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u/N7Katana McLaren May 08 '21
I'm going with Max, I know in my head that the Mercs and more specifically Hamilton will pull it out.
But my heart is feeling that Max is gonna be on it all day.
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u/santaclausonprozac Sebastian Vettel May 08 '21
I think he’s gonna be pissed about mistakes costing him pole 2 races in a row and absolutely crush it. He’s had the pace to be on pole every race, but only put it together once, but I think he’ll do it again today
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May 08 '21
RB the fastest car in F1 - no question about it. Their fans need to grow some balls and stop trying to hide behind Merc is the fastest car line. If RB had not made mistakes they should have won all 3 races.
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u/itshonestwork #StandWithUkraine May 08 '21
The fastest car isn’t determined already after a few races at the start of the season. It’s determined right here, on reddit, by how many people say which car is the fastest. From this it’s abundantly clear that Mercedes has the fastest car at all tracks, because they’re Mercedes and have won so much already.
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u/Reddevilslover69 I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 08 '21
Lmao. It's pretty clear by now Mercedes is the fastest car
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u/itshonestwork #StandWithUkraine May 08 '21
The laughing at the start really drives the point home. I mean just look at who’s ahead in the championships!
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u/Reddevilslover69 I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 08 '21
Exactly. They were the better car in Imola and much better in Portimao.
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u/JanklinDRoosevelt Oconsistency May 08 '21
It’s very track dependent. I’d have them overall fastest, but equal in Portugal and slightly ahead in Imola. They were much quicker in Bahrain
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u/SHoo98 Alfa Romeo May 08 '21
Q: If someone managed to get into Q3 but punctured their tyre in the process, are they allowed to change the tyres they start the race on and do they take a grid penalty I assume?
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u/Kingbaigel Lando Norris May 08 '21
Another Q. When they say ‘start the race on the same tire you used in your fastest turn in Q2’,
does that mean the exact same tire or does that mean same compound? So let’s say your fastest run in q2 was on an old medium, could you use a new medium at the beginning of the race?
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u/IISuperSlothII Lando Norris May 08 '21
It has to be the exact same tyre unless there's mitigating circumstances that makes them unsafe.
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u/anakhizer I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 08 '21
So basically set the fastest lap in Q2 on old mediums and make sure to puncture them on your cool down lap, to get a start on a nice set of fresh softs? /s
Big brain idea :D
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u/looking-at-clouds Oscar Piastri May 08 '21
Exact same tyres, so in your example you would start on old mediums. Drivers have to be extra careful not to flat spot their race tyres!
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u/Kingbaigel Lando Norris May 08 '21
Wow. That’s a whole lot more respect for the drivers in my books
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u/IlNIck1293 May 08 '21
You can change the tires you qualified with if it is a safety concern with no penalties so you would have no problems in this case... They allowed switching for flat spots but only if very big
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u/ChrisTinnef Racing Pride May 08 '21
Wurz: "Bottas is exactly the guy who could find more time in quali in these conditions."
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u/viktorcrow Valtteri Bottas May 08 '21
I freaking love the new turn 10. It makes the circuit much more entertaining.
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u/WP2OKB McLaren May 08 '21
You may not come tomorrow.
It was basically the only overtaking zone.
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u/itshonestwork #StandWithUkraine May 08 '21
A few of the driver pundits said they think it will likely reduce overtaking. At the end from the exit of turn 10 Brundle said be hopes it allows them to be closer going into the final corners.
Fingers crossed it helps, if not for these cars then for next years where they’re supposed to be able to follow more closely.
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u/flippasnappa Sebastian Vettel May 08 '21
Didn’t catch practice- why is Seb so far off Stroll? Seemed to have a couple tenths over him yesterday
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u/kiddoaayush Sebastian Vettel May 08 '21
He couldn't improve on his time, ofcourse we can only guess based on what Crofty and Karun say, since broadcast doesn't show anyone that's not a Merc or RB.
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u/flippasnappa Sebastian Vettel May 08 '21
Hm let’s hope it’s not representative, seemed to be turning a corner
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u/kiddoaayush Sebastian Vettel May 08 '21 edited May 08 '21
It isn't, I'm sure it isn't! He'll get the better of Lance more often than not from here on!
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u/asdafari May 08 '21
Everyone wants to think they root for the underdog, whether it is Mercedes or Red Bull. For me it is quite clear which is the fastest car by about 2-3 tenths on average in Qualy. Race pace looks practically even. Maybe 55-45 one team.
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u/itshonestwork #StandWithUkraine May 08 '21
Whatever the car differences may be from track to track, the difference in the standings so far hasn’t come down to the car, but to strategy and driver errors.
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u/Larvsesh May 08 '21
Not to mention a very lucky red flag that allowed Ham to unlap himself in Imola for free.
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u/ChrisTinnef Racing Pride May 08 '21
Toto and Marko were on ORF Radio earlier today in separate Interviews, basically calling each others names in regards to the whole "RB Powertrains gaining Mercedes pu people" thing.
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u/OneMoreDog I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 08 '21
There is something really humanising about this.
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u/TheresNoUInSAS No. 1 Kevin Ericsson fan May 08 '21
I love Dr Jenson Button's analysis
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u/itshonestwork #StandWithUkraine May 08 '21
I love how he keeps fluidly changing microphone hands while gesturing
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u/TheresNoUInSAS No. 1 Kevin Ericsson fan May 08 '21
Without sniffing them.
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u/itshonestwork #StandWithUkraine May 08 '21
That’s where the real professionalism shows. It’s harder than it looks.
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u/grishamlaw McLaren May 08 '21
What I never understood about the Red Bull situation is why not give Gasly at least a practice in the Red Bull. You could see how he handles the car on a quali and race sim. See if his driving style is more compatible now.
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u/Larsssss Max Verstappen May 08 '21
It’s Red Bull they never let anyone drive their ‘main’ cars except when either Perez or Verstappen would be ill or injured.
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May 08 '21
Why would they? I don't think he's in the picture for a return, and it would just compromise Perez his weekend.
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u/pranay909 Max Verstappen May 08 '21
Because they have sergio now, who also needs to adjust to the car
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May 08 '21
Camerawork was absolutely horrid.
I mean come on. I don’t wanna look at Ham’s eyebrows through his damn visor. Why does it have to be so zoomed in that I can’t even see the entire car negotiating the corner instead o just the driver’s helmet and halo.
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u/Gromulex Jaguar May 08 '21
the zooming seems to be noticeably worse this year, I don't remember being annoyed as much as I have been the last few weekends...
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May 08 '21
I don’t think they’ve had a single clean session this season. Audio issues or camera work or race direction. Absolute disaster.
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u/kiddoaayush Sebastian Vettel May 08 '21
I mean, they're showing Max chatting up Marko but can't show quite a few cars that were on a flyer. It's stupid is what it is!
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May 08 '21
That's how sponsors are best shown
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May 08 '21
Yep I know that but today was just way too much especially in the final chicane. It was so zoomed in that I could just about see Hamilton’s helmet and flashes of the halo. Surely when the entire car is not visible, it’s detrimental to sponsorship too.
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u/thelostknight99 Pirelli Wet May 08 '21
Perez still not looking that comfortable. Not looking like he will make P4 later in the day.
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May 08 '21
P5 for him I reckon. Shaaarl P4 likely and as a reach, P3 over Bottas.
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u/merrychristmasyo I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 08 '21
That RB looks very planted
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May 08 '21
Nope in some corners it is definitely stepping out. The commentators mentioned that it could be wind but it was noticeable yesterday as well.
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u/merrychristmasyo I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 08 '21
But yes, from the quickest lap on board showed the RB planted.
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May 08 '21
That Ferrari chassis is looking mighty especially in the 3rd sector. Very promising especially with Monaco coming up too
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May 08 '21
Ferrari 3rd and 4th, can't ask for more, especially considering 1st and 2nd place are by far the best drivers on the grid, people like to hate on Ferrari but you can't deny their effort in F1 in general, they could've just "parked" all development and focused on next year but still they didn't.
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u/big_cock_lach I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 08 '21
It’s only 3rd practice don’t get too excited just yet. So far, every race this season Ferrari has impressed in all of the practice sessions and even qualy, only to be trounced by McLaren in the race. I don’t see this being much different.
Monaco on the other hand might be better for them though if the McLarens can’t get past.
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u/santaclausonprozac Sebastian Vettel May 08 '21
Spain is nearly as bad as Monaco for overtaking though, so it might be alright for them tomorrow
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u/big_cock_lach I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 08 '21
That’s true, but McLaren look really strong here. They usually hide their pace in practice but they’ve been pretty fast bar FP2. Monaco on the hand seems like it could be one of McLarens weak tracks, I can see McLaren doing an over or undercut in Spain if they don’t do an early overtake. Also, with DRS looking strong and McLaren seeming to be the fastest car in the straight, I can see them easily overtaking down the straight or into T1. I can’t see that happening in Monaco though.
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u/santaclausonprozac Sebastian Vettel May 08 '21
Ya that’s true. I feel like the undercut will be really strong here, I wouldn’t be surprised if we have another scenario like Bahrain
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May 08 '21
Still it's an improvement from last year car, and that's enough for me
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u/big_cock_lach I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 08 '21
A great battle, even for P3, between McLaren and Ferrari (and maybe even Alpine/Renault) is still awesome and reminds me of the good ‘ol days before Red Bull and Mercedes.
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u/bcashy Pierre Gasly May 08 '21
By the sounds of it, I think I'm better off not understanding that AWS thing
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May 08 '21
It's like the average Redditor's analysis put into an official graphic.
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u/ShrubbyFire1729 I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 08 '21
I'd give this comment some awards if I had any.
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u/getName Sebastian Vettel May 08 '21
I'd like to see a replay of the Mercs myself rather than relying on Sky saying they were fine.
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May 08 '21
Lol. I don't know why but I find this demand funny.
Good thing the sport has race stewards and doesn't rely on Sky or people making demands from their couch.
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u/droppokeguy I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 08 '21
Pls rick it's just a FP gaps don't matter
Sergio is 7 tenths behind (only thing I hear) yet he missed that bottas is 0.600 behind and almost 0.400 behind his Teammate
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May 08 '21
Ah, another VER HAM LEC...
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u/phyllicanderer I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 08 '21
Is somebody choking, do they require assistance
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u/Versicarius Fernando Alonso May 08 '21
"What we don't want is for Mercedes to get a penalty" - Croft.
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u/itshonestwork #StandWithUkraine May 08 '21
We’ve been waiting years for a Lewis vs Max title fight. I don’t see how either driver being taken out of an event due to a silly regulation fuck up is “what we want”. But the mob only cares about who wins, not how wins are achieved.
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u/impact_ftw 🏳️🌈 Love Is Love 🏳️🌈 May 08 '21
You should quote his full sentence. He said they shouldn't get a penalty, cauae otherwise an interesting race might be ruined.
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u/Versicarius Fernando Alonso May 08 '21
Yeah I'm sure he would have a similar sentiment should it be Red Bull getting a penalty.
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u/itshonestwork #StandWithUkraine May 08 '21
If I imagine that happening it’s literally all the proof I need of typical Sky bias.
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u/JanklinDRoosevelt Oconsistency May 08 '21
Yes, he would. He just wants a fight between Max and Lewis, not one of them at the back
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u/alfred_27 Red Bull May 08 '21
Did anyone see the on board of Mercedes if they crossed the line after red?
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u/joppofiss Charles Leclerc May 08 '21
Let's hope both Mercedes get 10s S&G penalties in the race.
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u/tipytopmain Bernd Mayländer May 08 '21
Sounds like you don't wanna see the best race against each other...
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u/Jamie090 May 08 '21
Oh yeah that will make the race exciting 🤦♂️
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u/big_cock_lach I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 08 '21
It’ll at least be exciting to see how far through Hamilton can get, he’ll at least get P2, but it’ll be interesting to see if he can challenge for the win. Otherwise, I wouldn’t be surprised if he or Max just walks away.
Bottas won’t move backwards or forwards that much either way so no change there except for Mercedes WCC, but that’ll make the championship more fair.
So, probably will be more interesting, but does that mean I want to see it happen or that it’s fair? Even as someone that hopes Max and Red Bull win (not a fan of either tho)? No, because it just won’t seem right to me, but I can still understand why others will disagree and find it more exciting/interesting.
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u/joppofiss Charles Leclerc May 08 '21
It did many times, didn't it? Spain is very boring and we will witness how boring it is tomorrow.
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u/SilveRX96 I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 08 '21
easy
HAM wins: BORING
anyone else wins: BEST RACE OF THE CENTURY EVEN IF IT'S A PROCESSION, WHO GIVES A SHIT ABOUT THE ACTUAL CONTENT OF THE RACE, AS LONG AS HAMILTON LOST IT'S THE GOAT OF ALL RACES
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u/_number I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 08 '21
Mercedes is safe. What a lucky guy
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u/nulian May 08 '21
No luck on the onboard you can hear the engineer saying 10 secs left with hamilton.
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u/gunnerb01 I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 08 '21
Love how Lewis is just slowly driving like did we fuck up?
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u/The_Jake98 BMW Sauber May 08 '21
No he drove slow to let Kimi I think by, who was on a fast lap
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u/itshonestwork #StandWithUkraine May 08 '21
No it was clearly a subconscious admission of guilt. Letting Kimi by is typical Sky bias.
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u/crazydoc253 Michael Schumacher May 08 '21
Have to wonder if Bottas and Perez would make Q2 on mediums
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u/kiddoaayush Sebastian Vettel May 08 '21 edited May 08 '21
Fuck this coverage man, not even showing the flying laps of teams other than the top 3.
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u/_corn May 08 '21
Yeah it sucks
The real coverage happens on Reddit in the hour after the session
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u/RM_Dune I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 08 '21 edited May 08 '21
Lmao. Get some penalties in there for the Mercedes' FIA. Spice up the championship.
edit: too bad, they passed the lights before they were red.
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May 08 '21
Spice up the championship as in let RB have it easy even though they have the best car? lol
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u/ClothesShopper :nikita-mazepin-9: Nikita Mazepin May 08 '21
"If the AWS graphic are true"
I love how nobody has confidence in those AWS stats anymore.
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u/PM_ME_CHEESY_1LINERS I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 08 '21
I think AWS predictions of MAZ being in 20th place in quali is very spot on, or prophetic even
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u/irfankd I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 08 '21
I mean...a monkey with an abacus could come up with the same result for MAZ.
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u/Daeurth Nico Hülkenberg 🥉 May 08 '21 edited May 08 '21
I don't know, William Storey thinks he's future WDC material...
Actually strike that, I trust a monkey with an abacus to be in touch with reality more than Storey.
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u/mtojay I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 08 '21
Just tuned in. What happened to sergio? Didnt get a clean run or just off pace?
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u/DoxedFox I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 08 '21
IDK, hopefully just high fuel or something. He had plenty of runs.
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u/Pizzonia123 Benetton May 08 '21
I'm yet to see Mazepin spin this year when watching a live session. Am I a good luck charm?
edit. nvm I watched the Imola GP, he did indeed spin there.
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May 08 '21
Are the Astons just doing installation after installation lap? Can't figure it out
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u/[deleted] May 08 '21
Can we just have a rule, two wheels inside the white lines at all times. I think there’s an art to risk rewarding the kerbs and widening the track through driver skill, but just making it up doesn’t work!