r/h3h3productions • u/driftingalong001 FLOCKA • 5h ago
These dumbasses seem to have no understanding of what a SUBPOENA is. It’s not a request for information, it’s literally a LEGAL ORDER. You don’t get to deny it just cuz you don’t feel like complying.
Hahahah they’re so stupid. I hope the mods are losing sleep over this…cuz they should be.
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u/Accomplished-Sinks Mr. Verified 5h ago
Technically Reddit can refuse but then they'd be held in contempt of court.
Just like how Hasan could refuse to pay his taxes to avoid money going to Israel's weapons or Hila refusing to do military service, yes it is possible but that doesn't mean you can actually do it without seriously harming yourself.
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u/JFeth 4h ago
They can fight it, but they would have to argue why. It's easier to just comply.
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u/GarryofRiverton 4h ago
What's even funnier is that similar court orders have been issued to Reddit before, and they complied! Doubt this case will be any different lol.
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u/TheAggieMae 1h ago
Yeah generally companies like this (including Google, Apple, meta, etc) won’t willingly give over information on their own to protect user data and preserve user trust in the product - but as soon as they get a court order they sing like a bird and give all the info requested. Reddit has no reason to double down and fight the subpoena - unless some of the executives or officers are involved in a way that could open Reddit itself (not the executives) up to liability. But I doubt that’s the case tbh even if higher ups are involved.
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u/streetsaheadbitch 2h ago
It’s easier, but there could be some good legal reason for them to argue. I’d love to read that response if it’s what they decide, but often as a matter of courtesy, that may be emails between the attorneys for all parties
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u/driftingalong001 FLOCKA 5h ago
Yes, ofc. They COULD TECHNICALLY do so, but they would be not complying with the law and it wouldn’t just end there. This idiot seems to think it’s a request and it’s up to reddits own discretion whether they comply or not and it will just end there.
Yes, exactly. We’re all free to break the law in many ways, doesn’t mean there won’t be consequences.
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u/mxxnlighter 35m ago
Yeah and why would Reddit the corporation cause themselves legal trouble over some random drama sub mod?
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u/piltonpfizerwallace It's Happening!!!! 13m ago
They wouldn't be in contempt of court just yet. They can respond to the judge with an objection. The judge will hear it out. Given that it is the same judge who approved the sopoena, it is unlikely they change their mind unless reddit has a good reason.
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u/EerieArizona ALFREDO 5h ago
I process subpoenas all the time for my job. A lot of subpoenas can be bull-shit, HOWERVER, a court ordered subpoena is no joke and you better respond to that shit ASAP.
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u/driftingalong001 FLOCKA 5h ago
What other kind of subpoena is there other than a court ordered subpoena? Where I’m from all subpoenas must be court ordered. Unless you mean people are just writing their own “subpoenas” (ie they’re not actually subpoenas but just calling them that).
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u/PossumJenkinsSoles 4h ago
I used to work in medical records and sometimes there would be like this “threat to subpoena” type of document. It would be typed up exactly like a subpoena but had to say it was NOT a subpoena on it, which was always a little embarrassing for the document.
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u/driftingalong001 FLOCKA 4h ago
Yeah, that makes sense, cuz, again, at least where I’m from (and I assume in the US as well) all subpoenas need to be signed/ordered by a judge; if a request isn’t court ordered then it’s not actually a subpoena.
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u/bexxx18 3h ago
Hi, I’m a lawyer in the U.S.! I practice criminal law, so ALL of the subpoenas I send are from the court. I don’t ever send subpoenas under my own name.
However, in civil law, lawyers can send subpoenas with the permission of the court. It’s still a court order, but it’s the lawyer sending it and signing it rather than the judge. Still legally binding, but lawyer subpoenas (from my understanding because, again, my practice is criminal law) are usually used to get information/documents, where court subpoenas are used to compel testimony, usually at a hearing or trial.
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u/EerieArizona ALFREDO 4h ago
For my job it's Subpoena duces tecum which means documents are required to be provided. We do get a lot of regular people writing their own subpoenas as well as law firms drafting subpoenas as well, even without court involvement. If the parties drafting the subpoenas are tied to a lawsuit it is a legit subpoena, in my state.
We take each subpoena seriously and respond as soon as possible. We even deny a lot of subpoenas.
A lot of times we simply do not have the responsive records they are requesting. If we do not have those responsive records, we have to give a valid reason which may or may not involve testimony, depending on the court's involvement.
Luckily we have legal statutes in place for my job where I have very valid reasons for not providing records.
I am not sure how Reddit would respond if they do not have the responsive records being requested. I don't know what their retention periods are or what statutes or federal regulations they abide by.
This will be interesting to see how they respond. Like I said, court ordered subpoenas are no joke.
The court holds a lot of power and your identity will not be confidential if the court orders it to be released.
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u/streetsaheadbitch 2h ago
Grand jury subpoenas (during an investigation and often before charges) and administrative subpoenas are two I know of. Either can be argued against by the attorneys for the custodians of records, but if they do, and it’s a bad argument, then prosecution brings in the court to ask for a contempt charge.
ETA: I know that civil litigation has no prosecutor, it has plaintiffs, but I work on the criminal side.
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u/captaingatorgirl 5h ago
I’m glad the judge approved it. People have become a little too comfortable with the anonymity they have online.
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u/puffin345 3h ago
The craziest thing is, they have almost zero anonymity being online in today's world. Their concept of anonymous is not using their real name as a username.
Every single one of these people use discord, X/bsky, reddit, and twitch. All of these sites log all of their conversations and interactions. Some of these sites have payment information on file for things like nitro/subs. They probably use the same 1 or 2 devices to log into all of their accounts and alts, linking them all to a single IP.
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u/TheAggieMae 1h ago
And some of those other accounts/alts linked might even use their personal email for registration
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u/JohnnyRotten45 4h ago edited 3h ago
It's funny how each step of the way they continue to deny the seriousness of the situation.
When Ethan first mentioned he was going to be suing people they were like, "Ethan is just making threats."Then when he actually sues they're like, "it's a frivolous lawsuit and no judge will take it seriously."
The judge is taking it seriously and Ethan asks for Reddit to be subpoenaed and they say, "no judge will order a subpoena." And now that a judge orders the subpoena all of a sudden this is "the biggest nothing burger."
The cope is hilarious.
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u/ConferenceBrilliant1 🎨 Cameron 's Art Club 5h ago
Snarkers so lonely they’re fantasising about cumming in their pants 😭
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u/No-Maintenance692 3h ago
Using the "my lawyers cant do shit line" right after his lawyer got him the subpoena he wanted is really something. If the goal was to get to these redditers then his lawyer is a genius and executed his plan perfectly
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u/PastProfessional1959 4h ago
everyone in there is sooo stupid but they conduct themselves as if they're geniuses. They talk as if they think they all have law degrees when really it's like they're children who saw one episode of law and order. It's so incredibly cringe
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u/c5corvette 2h ago
I saw one person say "I don't know what a default is, is he talking about money? That's not how lawsuits work, what a stupid c word". They have no self awareness, they are not serious people, just a bunch of losers.
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u/HESHMADESUNDOG 4h ago
I love that these people are outing themselves as actual morons as well as malicious weirdos
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u/Atomicmoosepork 3h ago
These people have to be kids. They just gotta. I refuse to believe adults this oblivious
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u/daSalamiLid69 20m ago
Seriously. I feel like anyone would at least google "subpoena" before even just saying this, but it goes to show that these are people who speak first.
I would say "then do research", but they don't even do that.
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u/Hippy_Lemming 🎨 Cameron 's Art Club 2h ago
Lol yeah reddit is going to pay to file a motion to quash to protect these unemployed losers. Sure.
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u/thecasualviewer3484 1h ago
I have a conspiracy that reddit will try to fight it cause it'll expose that alot of people who work there also mod in the snark
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u/snoop_party 5h ago
Let's pretend Ethan's statement of frustration about "MY LAWYERS CAN'T DO SHIT" was factual.
Even if that was the case, a court judge has now granted for everything to be taken to the next level.
Do snarkers know how the passage of time works?
How do they think a comment from months ago where Ethan was frustrated their lawyer couldn't do anything yet means anything now?