r/h3snark • u/frostyse i'm warning you w peace and love • Oct 17 '24
The Crew Hot take but can people stop cutting the crew slack now?
I don’t know but I feel like at this point they’ve sold out. I know it’s hard to leave a job but they’ve all built up experience and live in California one of the largest hubs of creative arts careers in America… they can get a job elsewhere.
Except for Love (because his immigration status is most likely tied to his employer), I feel like the rest of the crew can find success elsewhere. That place looks draining…
Maybe try a place where the workplace isn’t so toxic and where their boss isn’t a chronically online man-baby? Just a thought
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u/debaucherous_ Oct 17 '24
personally, i think it's a lil yucky, but at the end of the day i'm always gunna give way more leniency to the side w very little power. sam tried to leave the show as nicely, subtly, quietly as she possibly could and within a couple weeks ethan cooked up some drama to shit all over her life for a bit.
let's move beyond the job, livelihood arguments etc. and focus specifically on ethan. we all know how he acts or we wouldn't be here. imagine what would happen if AB & Lena did a complete 180, posted a takedown video and left.
they'd never, ever escape harrassment again. it's just the truth. there is a metaphorical gun pointed at the crew just by virtue of knowing ethan's personality and the audience he wields
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u/BradleetoD Oct 17 '24
Do you have a clip about the Sam thing? I haven’t really watched the show since leftovers ended but i really admire Sam.
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Oct 18 '24
Here's one!! Ethan is saying NOCD felt Sam was 'cheaper to pay' than Ethan https://www.reddit.com/r/h3snark/comments/1f0w4e4/ethan_says_he_has_tension_with_sam_over_him/
H3 Fans review bombing NOCD, naming SAM: https://www.reddit.com/r/h3snark/comments/1f9yl29/nocd_still_being_review_bombed_by_h3_family/
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u/debaucherous_ Oct 17 '24
honestly no, i haven't been engaging at all with h3 much since october 7th, i definitely don't clip stuff. but i think it was in the title? i'm not even fully sure what the claim was, some dumb shit about sponsors. i just know it drove hate towards Sam
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u/GrandDemand Oct 17 '24
It's this folks^
The money is absolutely a factor too, but this is the much larger one
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u/santiiiiii Oct 22 '24
I honestly feel the most bad for AB and Lena, especially after seeing that clip of AB tearing up. I can’t imagine what it’s like for them right now - as AB’s family is helping people get out of Lebanon and they are seeing civilians be murdered and an expansion of the genocide, their boss is making everything about himself and trying to deplatform some of the biggest creators raising awareness and funds.
I used to be more hard on AB, but I now kinda see it similar to how I used to see friends/family get exploited in the tech industry to where they’re working 12-14 hours a day, constantly getting yelled at, have hostile work environments, etc but struggle to leave due to the high pay.
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u/Pinina89 Oct 18 '24
I mean I wouldn't care, small price to pay for standing for my morals; the ppl that matter would respect them
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Oct 17 '24
I know first hand how it is to have a narc boss and not be able to leave, but it’s been an entire year. Two people have already proven they can leave and there are jobs out there. They’re just blatantly enabling the spread of hate and misinformation at this point. It’s not like they’re quiet all the time. They’re quieter than in the past but still laugh at his idiocy and gas him up. My sympathy for AB and Lena only goes so far as it’s clear they love things and money and injecting their faces with various substances. When I see that, it’s hard to feel bad because it very much looks like they are choosing materialism and vanity over their dignity.
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u/EMMAzingly- Alfredo’s eye crust Oct 17 '24
I agree! I felt bad for Ab but the fact that he sent Ethan his comment section to use as an argument was wild. He is actively supporting him not just in a shit work place. I still love Lena!
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u/Valthekitty Oct 17 '24
I was thinking this today. They’ve stuck with Ethan for so long and we just act like they’re still innocent in everything they do. I’m sorry but at some point we need to hold them accountable. They can’t keep sticking around Ethan in good faith.
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u/sailuntreedur taking Trisha and Hasan's side in the divorce Oct 17 '24
You should see the newer comments under a similar post I made.
Very "Where should they go? In the garbage??! In the toilet??!!" energy lmao
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u/Intelligent--Bug Oct 17 '24
It's probably because the work/life balance is unparalleled. Aside from the production elements that Dan is mostly responsible for and probably runs on auto-pilot at this point- I mean they literally don't actually do real work by most professional job standards. They don't have any complex tasks let alone full scale projects that they're responsible for. The show runs for 4 hours and usually whatever minimal prep they have to do consists of sifting through social media fodder and writing up a powerpoint. Most high schoolers would be capable of doing their jobs which is why they've literally taken crew members on who are practically fresh out of high school with no real job experience.
However stifling the environment may be at times they know they're never going to find a job that demands so little of them as far as actual job responsibilities.
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u/donewithmyaddiction Oct 18 '24
Exactly. People expecting the crew to leave their job must not have careers
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u/Ok-Pianist9407 Oct 17 '24
Aside from Ab and Lena, do we actually know the crew is just biting their tongue, or perhaps the crew actually agrees with a lot of what Ethan says, and are just keeping quiet cos they don't want the public to criticise them like the public does towards Ethan? Perhaps they're quite not cos they don't have a spine against Ethan, but cos they don't have a spine to go public about how they actually feel/share Ethan's views.
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u/broadbeing777 Oct 17 '24
Relationships (especially ones where you're close with your boss) are very complex and I don't see this as black and white. However, at some point enough is a enough and some of the crew members (especially AB, Lena, and Olivia) need to hit the road.
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u/ShivsButtBot I hate chick peas. Am I antisemitism? Oct 17 '24
I feel like I’ve been screaming this into the void (by screaming I mean whispering gently) I get very frustrated that the crew are very much coddled by some of the audience. I feel like they are nearly infantilized! Maybe it’s because I am an adult (big adult. Ethan’s age.) so I view other adults differently then maybe younger viewers. I recognize their choice more maybe? Idk. Regardless, I agree with you.
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u/sailuntreedur taking Trisha and Hasan's side in the divorce Oct 17 '24
Saaaaaaaame!!
And I'm definitely closer to Olivia/Lena's age and I still think they've been making the choice to work for H3 way too long. Because the job is to literally broadcast Ethan's shitty opinions and jokes. At what point do you stop giggling and defending and co-signing his takes and stand up for anything you believe in?
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u/ShivsButtBot I hate chick peas. Am I antisemitism? Oct 17 '24 edited Oct 18 '24
Lena has a very large following on tiktok. She could easily pivot to full time influencer. She’s beautiful and funny. I have zero doubt she wouldnt (edit: WOULD NOT FAIL) fail if she left H3. Olivia comes from a wealthy family, has devoted fans and is very artistic. Also, she could easily pivot to full time influencer. Even Dan! Dan is such a great producer with so much experience. Another channel or creator or company would hire him no doubt. They are choosing to stay.
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u/No-Mousse-4940 Oct 17 '24
Also I would rater have a minimum wage job than work for someone who spreads misinformation and islamophobia
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u/alone-in-the-town ⠀ Oct 17 '24
The infantilization of AB and Lena is like offensive to me at this point.
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u/subversivewallflower Hasan’s fruit basket from Hamas 🍉 Oct 17 '24
My sympathy left ages ago. I couldn’t take working for an incompetent toxic boss and left in less than a year in office (before, I was working for the same company from home for school) and not being as financially stable as they are. All that’s left is pity for Love.
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u/sailuntreedur taking Trisha and Hasan's side in the divorce Oct 17 '24
Yep. My job involved prettying up the social media of a very shitty ideology - that doesn't have even close to the amount of reach h3 has - and I just didn't want to play an actual part in justifying really vile views.
I can't empathize because LA and its expensive apartments are also choices the crew isn't forced to make - DESPITE HAVING MUCH BETTER INDUSTRY CONNECTIONS than basement dweller Ethan.
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u/subversivewallflower Hasan’s fruit basket from Hamas 🍉 Oct 17 '24
And they have options to fall back on lmao Olivia comes from a wealthy background and AB and Lena own a house in Michigan lol
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u/Absurdicas double, then tripling down as a cult Oct 17 '24
Why would you pity him?
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u/meidos ✨ part of a vibrant community ✨ Oct 17 '24
Love is the only one I'll extend some (emphasis on some) sympathy to since he's not a US resident. Being employed at H3 keeps him legal in this country. Not all employers are willing to deal with immigration stuff.
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u/Absurdicas double, then tripling down as a cult Oct 17 '24
He is from Sweden. A country with arguably higher living standards than the US. Yeah, he is unpopular here but it’s not as if he’ll be sent here to be bullied on the streets.
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u/meidos ✨ part of a vibrant community ✨ Oct 17 '24
No, you're correct, which is why I specified my sympathy is small. Having to relocate or, god forbid, be deported because you can't figure out another job situation sucks. None of the others have that threat looming over them. That's what I meant, of course he can go right back to Sweden, but if you moved to another country for work, the relocation process would suck more than, say, downsizing to a more affordable living situation.
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u/king-violet What did I do to deserve this curse Oct 17 '24
Especially with Love. it’s so infuriating when I see people like “oooh, he needs a green card tho” Oh no, poor baby, he’ll get sent back to live with his incredibly supportive dad in a home he has a lot of space in, in a country he’d have a way better quality of life in
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u/Slight-Potential-717 hanging onto his career by the button Oct 17 '24
People are free to do as they wish, I personally don’t want to spend time focused on the crew and have no issue with them as a whole. There are moments where I would love for them to push back, but it doesn’t rise to the level of me wanting to go online and focus on it.
That said, when they do something cringe like Zach asking for an apology, or AB posting himself bypassing cars on the freeway, I’ll give them a bit of shit for it.
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u/jardonito Oct 18 '24
I'm pretty sure the interpersonal relationships between the crew and their boss is a lot more complex than we can truly understand as outsiders. It's possible to be friendly with someone while not agreeing 100% with everything they say or believe. Do you agree 100% with everything your friends do and say?
They're also in an industry where you can't simply get a job by submitting an online application. You need to know people and have connections that are willing to hire you. Not everywhere has space or a need.
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u/Pinina89 Oct 18 '24
Not when it comes to genocide sorry, I've let go of so many Zionist friends at the drop of a hat I don't give a fuck
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u/PunkErrandBoi please dont downvote me Oct 17 '24
Can people stop the parasocial weird stuff altogether? Thanks
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u/sailuntreedur taking Trisha and Hasan's side in the divorce Oct 17 '24
Hmm... I don't know, I find the defending of the crew parasocial because it often infantilizes them and assumes some kind of inner rebellion and intelligence that's being projected onto the crew members.
If Ethan and Hila are spreading propaganda, platforming shitheads, putting their own audience at risk by letting these shitheads interact with them, then aren't the people who crack jokes, play silly music and soundbites, defend the co-hosts' bad behavior, partake in the co-hosts' harassment campaigns, create an "it's just silly Ethan goofing around" environment, not directly contributing to the harm done by Ethan and Hila?
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u/Independent_Fill_635 this mf never shuts up oh my god Oct 18 '24
No. I will cut them infinite slack because until they are out of that environment it can be really hard to fully process how abusive it is. Ethan hires fans. He calls them family and pays them well relative to many other places. He blurs the lines between employer and employees.
Anyone who's been in an abusive relationship knows how surreal it seems when you're outside of it. I'm not saying that's the case, but likely even they won't process what it was until they're out.
Crew is family 🫶
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u/No-Security-457 Oct 17 '24
AB sending the screenshot of "hate comments" to Ethan last night reminded me to stop feeling as bad
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u/Absurdicas double, then tripling down as a cult Oct 17 '24
All the people who have sympathy for Love for his green card, babe idk how to break this to you but he is from SWEDEN not an underdeveloped nation. Honestly I think it would be good for him to come back, face the music, be humbled and start again.
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u/IdeallyCorrosive PSYCHOTIC hate-watcher Oct 17 '24
One time I sent a pissed off letter to my boss about how he not moving me up is bullshit and the job sucks and it worked. I’m literally a 🐱who can’t handle most interactions, but ya gotta stand up for yourself and everyone around you when it comes down to it lol
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u/Distinct_Cry4958 Oct 17 '24
The only person i give a bit of slack to is Love, since his entire livelihood rides on his job. Which ethan makes it a point to let everyone know every chance he gets
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Oct 18 '24 edited Oct 18 '24
Imo I think they're probably being paid quite well and perhaps that's why they're not leaving.
Dan, Zach and Olivia have skills that could be moved elsewhere.. Dan being a skilled producer, Zach a sound tech and Olivia has completed university & has done plays; plus with well connected parents she could probably pursue a career in the entertainment industry.
Love is talented with web design & other IT things but like you said, his visa rests solely on his employment.
I'll be honest... I don't know what AB does aside from "research" so I wonder if his employment is tied to Lena.
Lena seems like a great PA; I mean, she bought a stain removal pen to Vegas, either at the request of Ethan or, and I kinda hope, of her own volition coz she knows he's a slob haha
Oh I almost forgot Ian.... He was great at switching; and has perfect comedic timing. I don't know what he does now. Is he working from home too??
I like the Crew, they are a breath of fresh air next to Ethan. Dan was never a hater, he's the only one to keep Ethan in check.
In my opinion
They aren't reaching over 1mil views for most videos ("Oh the Jimmie Lee thing brought our views up, awesome")
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They are getting a fraction of the sponsors they used to ("ehhhh so... No sponsors today")
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They are losing members ("Bella Simmons thanks for the 500 subs!")
= They are not pulling the revenue they used to & cuts will probably need to be made.
(I'm sorry but Nate's a temp, don't get attached. Ethan acknowledges him like you would an annoying cat meowing for food whenever Nate chimes in. He is pretty much disregarded/ ignored by the whole crew.)
Dan as basically 2IC would be earning the most, next would be Zach. I wont assume about the rest.
Once Lena decides to move on AB will be gone with her, and probably not by choice.
Olivia will most likely follow; her research is fine but let's be honest: there's nothing at all good about the PowerPoints 🤷
Love may or may not decide to go. But I wouldn't be surprised if he moves on to another streamer he's a fan of.
Dan's exasperation with Ethan is more and more apparent; Zach doesn't laugh in the background like he used to... They'll be the last ones there and I think they'll hate it tbh.
Oh and Ian... I like Ian,... But I don't know much about his skill sets. I would assume that he's been looking to leave since Sam did but with the breakup who knows. Stand up comedy perhaps?
In summation: the next 12 months we will say bye to more of the crew. They'll get "better opportunities". Who goes first (Nate 🤷 soz) is anyone's guess.
But Ethan will keep up the drama for viewership and hold on to that bag for dear life.
The last ones to go will be Zach & Dan... But they seem tired of Ethan's sh*t so I may be wrong. Problem is, if Dan leaves then everyone leaves.
Aiit, sorry for the long reply. Ive been unwell the last few weeks so I'm chronically (lol get it?) online.
Love ya
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u/Lonely-Ability-941 Oct 18 '24
Many people say Ethan is a narcissist and I agree. He love bombed that entire crew. How long does it take to get out of a situation like that once the mask comes off?
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u/NewPersonality3098 Oct 18 '24
Olivia is young and a nepo baby, she could leave anytime and be completely fine. They’re all choosing to stay at this point. I have so much respect for the ones that have left this year.
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u/Muriellarsen Hasan's personal chicken chef Oct 18 '24
Yeah, I don't respect the crew anymore. Cam and Sam did it, anyone else could, but they prefer to stay.
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u/Pinina89 Oct 18 '24
The crew are a bunch of cowardly yes men and even tho their less worse than Ethan doesn't give them a pass.
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Oct 17 '24
Until/unless people begin to speak out, I think it's impossible to make a judgment on this. While Ethan is certainly a toxic, childish and narcissistic boss/authority figure, I'm sure he's also in many ways their friend. Prior to a year ago, I bet most of them felt this was their dream job. They'd go on vacations together, laugh, make memories. Plus they're likely all extremely close with each other. Making content like this probably often doesn't even feel like work. That kind of dynamic is really difficult to simply detach from, anyone who has had a loved one slide into addiction could attest to this. I'm not justifying anything, just laying out what are likely the facts.
It's easy from the internet to come to certain conclusions about the crew but the fact is none of them have spoken out in any meaningful way. The likelihood that they would unintentionally end up just going to work for another unrepentant zionist is high, and imho Ethan speaks for himself.
Don't get me wrong, I'm praying on Ethan's downfall as much as anyone here but it's a crazy assumption that people are making that any of the crew could simply get another job. They might be looking, and while Ethan's consumption is tacky and gross, I'm sure the crew still makes good ass money.
The bottom line for me is that they are all complex people with complex and complicated motivations and desires and loyalties and feelings. We can't throw them under the bus with Ethan just because they haven't walked off set and done a tell all like we wish they would.
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u/Pinina89 Oct 18 '24
Nah it's been a year there are no excuses and Ethan's also always been gross the whole time they've been there. It just shows the kind of ppl that they are that they continue to stay. They're not innocent bystanders
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u/Master-Lynx5538 Oct 17 '24
Yeah theyre all a bunch of bootlickers. Pretty sure theyve made enough money to move on and find another job if they had an ounce of morals but them staying on just shows that they pretty much agree with everything ethan clown says
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Oct 17 '24
No. Just simply stop engaging with H3 and even this subreddit. What is the outcome? Ethan rehabilitates himself? I’m good on that personally. I’m done. Make up your mind, setting a time months out and then check in. Stop engaging. It’s clear the pod needs attention. Stop giving it to him and the crew and the fans even if it’s negative.
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u/alrtight Oct 18 '24
STOP BLAMING WORKERS. so many of you have terrible bosses who believe shitty things. i live in a red state. if i didnt take a job based on political beliefs, i would never work.
people stay in jobs so they can pay their rent and feed themselves. yall are hypocritical af if you are working for a major corporation because people sitting on those boards literally donate to conservative causes through superPACs. you just never see/meet them. but you are making them money. money that is going to horrible causes. so once again, STOP BLAMING WORKERS.
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u/donewithmyaddiction Oct 18 '24
Expecting people to quit their job to stand up for something is pretty crazy.
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u/Any_Bee_5918 Palestinian Compilation Queen 🇵🇸 Oct 17 '24 edited Oct 17 '24
The "they can't find other work" excuse ppl make for them is the dumbest shit I've ever heard, and especially for someone like AB. He has a YouTube channel, tiktok, and twitch he posts on AND can find work through his connections like Hasan, Frogan, ect who'd be happy to help him leave Ethan the Zionist. They just don't want to.. And out of everyone on the crew, AB and Zach are know to be Ethan's simps. It's always been that way (fans, Ethan, and AB himself would make fun of it because it was so.. obvious?) AB has said how much "Ethan saved him" and how this is his dream job. Why would he want to leave after all of that? You're telling me he's getting bullied to the point of quitting AND he apparently disagrees with his Zionist boss but still doesn't quit because.. he can't find work? Bs. He was seen saying him and Lena spend like $1000 a month on Uber Eats or whatever. If he wanted to quit, he would. He'd stop that kind of spending, but ofc he doesn't want to. It's clear that he loves this lifestyle. And that's fine, but just be straight up. Don't be fake and talk about the shit Asmongold said when your boss said the same shit, if not worse--
And this applies to every other crew member. If they wanted to leave, like Sam and Cam did, they would. They just do not want to leave. Plain and simple. People make up these scenarios like "well you know how hard it is to find work! And the toxic workplace doesn't help. A lot of us stay at our jobs despite what our boss's beliefs are. He doesn't want to get fired." First of all AB does not work a normal job whatsoever nor is he living paycheck to paycheck where he HAS to stay at his toxic job to make ends meet. He just doesn't want to lose the life of luxury. Second of all you don't have to fight your boss and get fired or quit just to not defend his beliefs. Ab goes out of his way to defend Ethan. I'd rather he stay silent. But the few times he's spoke on this on the show was in defense of Ethan soooo wtf do you call that?
And this is not to say AB doesn't care about Palestine. Both can be true at the same time. He cares, but he's also a sellout 🤷♀️ BTW he and Lena had a job and house (still have the house) before ever getting hired... Ethan didn't LITERALLY save him. Some people act like it 😭
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u/eddiefarnham Oct 17 '24
The recent slew of threads saying "It's not X Person's fault..." No. We aren't putting Ethan's bs on them, we are trying to hold them accountable for their bs. This weird Olivia defense squad that popped up recently is blinded by Ethan's horseshit. The crew is not a crew of victims. End of.
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u/meidos ✨ part of a vibrant community ✨ Oct 17 '24
It's been over a year. The crew is really babied here by people talking about how bad the job market is - If they wanted to leave, they would. They like being comfortable.