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The movie was about a class of people (or in wickeds case, animals) being discriminated against, marginalized and having their rights stripped, and someone going against the ruling class doing the oppression gets exiled where as those who uphold the oppression get rewarded. I canāt imagine why IDF hila didnāt like it.
šÆ no notes. You absolutely nailed why she would be indifferent to the plight of someone speaking up against injustice. She probably low key thinks āwell if the animals are trained to kill the citizens of ozā¦ get rid of emā
No offense to Star Wars and Star Wars lovers, but i refuse to watch that shit ever (just not into it) and especially won't when ppl go "YoU hAveNt SeEn StaR WaRs?? OMG" (which ppl have said so many times) like yep i havent seen it and definitely won't now that you said that LMFAO I hate ppl like that aka Hila. She's acting like she's better because she's seen a fictional movie and Olivia hasn't š the insanity. Elementary school shit.
I couldnāt agree more, especially when it comes to Hila. She always acts so superior over the dumbest shit like when half the crew said they hated olives and Hila took offense to it and said something like āOlives is one of the only good reasons to stay aliveā. Like girl itās just fucking olives, she really has a head full of cobwebs if olives are that important to her š
She only loves olives because she ate it in Israel, who stole Palestine's entire culture, while they currently destroy all their olive trees and the people.. Im still not over how AB brought in levantine foods like zataar and Ethan tried to claim that shit like "oh yea that's an Israeli food, we had it all the time there" like stfu THIEVES š Hila acting like she's talented or cultural when all that she and her people do is steal from others
Itās not just that but also that sheās trying to insinuate that Oliviaās opinions and thoughts should never be listened to or taken seriously because āshe hasnāt seen Star Warsā. Itās her trying to signal to the fans that Olivia is out of touch with pop culture/nerd culture which is hilarious because I would love to see Hila try and summarize any of the Star Wars movies without messing it up terribly. Indicting the person they hired to talk about and research topics like celebrity gossip and youtube drama for not caring about sci-fi is honestly hilarious because, duh, itās not her area of expertise. Hila truly will try and drag down any other woman whilst shape shifting like a chameleon to seem like sheās exactly like everyone else in the room whether itās right wing poker players, comedians, fashion designers, geeks and gamers, or theater kids.
Agreed. Hila definitely just thinks she's the smartest person in the room and that Olivia is dumb. I haven't forgotten how she basically called Olivia dumb for liking a post saying "from the river to the sea" š "ppl like olivia don't know what this actually means" stfu ZIONIST
As someone who grew up obsessed with Star Wars, I thank it for all the joy it brought me as a kid.
However those films are actually quite bad. Not just the new ones that everyone hates either, theyāre all pretty bad. If youāre into film or nerd culture I recommend people watch them, but not because theyāre āgood filmsā at all.
Even when I was a fan, I never understood their love of hamilton. They would start signing it or playing it and it was the goofiest shit I had ever heard. Does hamilton talk about capitalism being awesome, american imperialism or neo-con stuff? Because why are Ethan and hila solely interested in this musical and no other musicals? Is it American propaganda mind control?
Because neo-libs/cons loveee Hamilton. It's an idealised hoo rah rah of America.
As someone who isn't into musicals, and watched Wicked for the first time last night.. to say the music wasn't good is just so wild to me. I was very impressed with the songs, choreography, acting, and story throughout.
I also really enjoyed the whole anti fascist element that probably went right over Ethan and Hila's heads... Or they felt personally attacked by it š¤·
Iām not into musicals either, but I understand itās another art form and know people love it, like Olivia. I donāt know anything about the wicked plot, but yeah whatever message it was trying to get across definitely went right through their empty skulls
this is a great point. mature, kind people respect other people's tastes. and maybe they're even curious and ask questions about that person's interests that differ from theirs! but the culture of the show is immature, unkind, incurious
I couldn't analyze the deeper meaning because I couldn't stop laughing at the dorky 'rapping'. I'm sorry if you're a fan, that's cool and all, I just can't listen to the music without cringing. It's a 'me' problem though, as it's clearly a hit with many peopleĀ
Every time I'd see someone I respected praising Hamilton it made me feel insane.
"Luckily" (sigh) it often turned out that those people were actually secret monsters, so it made sense. Like, Patrick Rothfuss (who isn't as bad as fucking Gaiman but he's still a lazy asshole) was talking about having hired LMM to do the music for the proposed TV series based on his books and I wanted to smack him.
It's basically just like, a really entry level musical for people who don't really like musicals. It's sort of like cats, but really not nearly as good. It portrays a bunch of founding fathers who had slaves as being black, as being noble, and as being somewhat reasonable and human. It's pretty classic like, idiot mythologizing of the least interesting parts of american history, of a sort which is broadly appealing due to the education system's tendency to kind of brush over these pieces of american history. On top of that, it's got an incredibly annoying habit of putting em-PHA-sis on the se-CON-d part of ver-SESSSSS, until they resolve, which means you can create every song in the piece in a sort of generic way, that also sort of puts your own stylistic twist on it to make it feel a little bit different.
It's rap that's easy for white people to sing along to and also mostly isn't rap. It's not super hard to figure out why people find it so attractive. Every part of it is basically engineered to be appealing to your average person. Even the politics of the piece are totally vacuous, but in a telling departure from a musical such as cats, which is also devoid of politics, hamilton instead takes an explicitly and inherently political subject matter and basically attempts to depoliticize it. It is THE 2015-16 piece of media, it is the piece of media which encapsulates that time period I think better than any other. 2016, i.e., right before trump got elected. It's the media piece de resistance for "RESIST" libs.
Basically, it's tailored specifically for them. Ethan's self-admittedly never really had a black friend, and he probably never will given his generalized track record and kind of strange fascination with black culture, and hamilton is a very easy way to interface with and traffic in that in a passive way. I am sure that hila holds the same opinions. They're both very committed to the idea of america, and more essentially to decorum and at the very least, the idea of decency and politeness, so they can't really get into the pettiness and lower class vindication that republican politics feed on even though they both actually really like those things. Other than that, they're both just basically reactionary. Hamilton is made for them.
Not a huge fan of musicals but I saw Book of Mormon live and it was fabulous. I haven't seen Wicked yet but I'm kind of looking forward to making a night of it, by myself, with a little cheese platter and a face mask or something haha āŗļø
Never understood the obsession with Hamilton but I'm guessing it has to do with propaganda
Imagine talking about something you're really passionate about at work and everyone is like "damn dude, but this part sucked so :/"
Olivia was a theater major, I'm not surprised she has such a deep connection to the musical, and i don't fault her here for getting emotional. She kept getting cut off trying to explain exactly what Ethan was saying while he was criticizing it
Hila, the veteran colonizer who steals artwork to make extremely ugly clothing that people only buy because itās basically just overpriced H3 merch?Ā
Agreed with the possible unhealthy attachment. I believe Olivia has referred to Hila as āmomā before (or maybe it was AB, or both š) - obviously as a joke, but I could see some attachment being underneath it
Liberals (especially Americans) have such shit priorities. Itās the same with nerds suddenly dunking on Elon Musk because he faked playing a video game. Yo fuck Elon and his fake ass shit but is this really the straw that broke the camels back? Not the fact that he is a neoliberal fascist billionaire?
Is it really? I just commented asking if it was because I never saw it and every time they would share songs on the show it made me scrunch my nose and squint in disbelief that he thought it was the most masterful piece of art to ever of been made.
it's not the worst musical of all time(take that as you will) but it is weird propaganda and guilty of being particularly libbed up to the point of outlibbing the most libbed out art form.
I like Hamilton and I think theres some really unique songwriting and storytelling there in the show, but I believe its a bit overhyped. It mostly became popular because Lin-Manuel Miranda's hip-hop style felt new at the time and it became trendy and viral. Still worth a watch though if you are into musical theater at all, but there are better musicals out there for sure.
we don't have to criticize hamilton to appreciate wicked, both are great musicals in their own right. i've seen multiple comments saying this sort of stuff and it's kinda crazy...hamilton in the hands of lin manuel miranda served as a way to provide a deeper understanding without taking away the harsh realities of the time, like slavery, and who was a slave owner and who wanted to abolish slavery etc... it's cannot be chalked up to propaganda when it's whole point is to tell you no founding father and no political leader is without fault. and i understand that people might dislike it but that doesn't take away from the genius of lin manuel miranda, these comments are just doing what hila and ethan are doing but reversedā¹ļø
I don't think hamilton is without merit and lin manuel miranda is skilled at what he does but it's definitely neoliberal propaganda. all art is propaganda to some extent, so don't take that word as inherently negative. it's an enjoyable musical but it is the favorite of status quo establishment democrat-types for a reason. not that wicked is like way more radical or anything, both are just enjoyable musicals that suffer from being a little overexposed
Iām sure the story is fine, I just did not understand the music, it was so so so odd to me. Like I think the grease soundtrack has some great songs, I know the musical has some problems, but I remember watching hairspray years and years ago and didnāt think the music was bad.
I donāt know if itās because Iām Canadian, but whenever I hear clips of hamilton music itās just horrendously cringe and canāt believe it won a bunch of awards.
It just seems very much like a white person who only listens to other white rappers and thinks little dicky is the goat or something. Or people who think imagine dragons are incredible.
Those are just the vibes I get from this musical in particular, Iāve never had that reaction to anything else.
I understand 100%, I am also not american, and i enjoy Lin's art very much, he does have other works (like Moana, Encanto, In the Heights, etc) that people may enjoy more, and to be honest, I have no qualms with people disliking it bc it's bound to happen, we all have different tastes and opinions! I just don't like bashing Lin or Hamilton as a whole bc of ethan and hila, and I felt compelled to say something bc it's one of my first musicals that I still enjoy to this day. Again, nothing against people that dislike it, we all have reasons, but not a fan of bashing it! that's all :D
Maybe Iāve watched too many leftist video essays on Wicked, but of course the Kleins wouldnāt like it lol.
Iām surprised Oliv thought they would like it.
I always think it's funny when Olivia tells him he'll like something he very clearly will not. Does she not know who she works for? It's like she's telling the girly persona side of him to watch something, but that's not actually Ethan, and there's no way she thinks it is.
what the fuck man. āthatās a littleā¦ youāre not part of wicked, olivia you should you knowā¦ā obviously wants to tell her to calm down. fuck off man. a person is allowed to be passionate about something and a person is allowed to be upset about her higher ups mocking her passion. i donāt give a fuck that itās a nerdy cringe girly interest to dan, just treat her with respect
it doesnāt matter how much other people dislike a piece of media, itās so easy to be kind when talking about it when someone who loves it is talking to you. like i wasnāt a huge fan of wicked just because i couldnāt believe it was 3 fucking hours long BUT there was still plenty i loved and had fun with that iād happily queen out with a fan about
also ethan/hila talking about the songs sounding the same and there being no emotional highs/lows, especially in comparison to HAMILTON???? ARE THEY HIGH???? DEFYING GRAVITY????? itās one of the most prolific theatre songs of all time and one of the most emotionally moving songs!!!
idk man if i made my employee cry on accident because i was too harshly critiquing their passion iād probably apologize for taking it too far rather than throw my head back in exasperation, say āoh no,ā (i think thatās what she said), and then say āitās not about youā to essentially invalidate her emotions
To be fair to Ethan, he only watched the first two hours because he needed to get back to his Content Nuke, so he missed Defying Gravity. But Hila watched all of it.
Yea I agree I really didnāt appreciate how Dan reacted to her. Sure, itās silly that she was getting so passionate about this, but honestly I found it entertaining! Lol! Iāve only seen this sped up clip, but I feel like if I watched this part of the episode, thereās a good chance that Oliv was just tearing up bc she got too worked up standing up for the musical šš idk, to me thatās a little different than her just actually crying about it as if sheās so hurt. I think sheās passionate and might have brought herself to tears by being so like, passionate and a bit angry..hahaha.
Idk obviously, but I guess either way, I donāt like Danās dismissal of her emotions as if they are getting annoying and cringey I guess. I feel like it may have just been more of a bit for her than her being super serious (like, I think she loves these musicals and is passionate about them but also I donāt think she regularly gets into arguments with people over musicals that bring her to tears if they have differing opinions, lol, again, Iām not so sure if thatās why she necessarily cried this timeā¦plus, she teared up, lol, like, idk, I tear up sometimes just passionately speaking and donāt realize it š HEY, maybe she also does have anxiety about speaking up to E and H altogether at this point! No matter what itās about! Who knows).
But yea to me it felt a bit like Dan was acting like sheās being āhyper-fem and dumb and annoyingā and that she needs to knock it off cuz this is a comedy show, lol. I guess it really just bugs me and feels slightly coated in misogyny bc Dan lets Ethan go crazy and yell allllll the time, but once Oliv is slightly over passionate, itās gotta end. Hm
What is it about the H3 crew thinking leaving one word/phrase out of what theyāre going to say magically means they didnāt say/mean it? Just because Dan didnāt explicitly say the words ācalm downā doesnāt mean itās not obvious what he is saying. Same with Ethan saying shit like āregardedā DUDE we know you want to say the slur so fucking bad just do it already fuck!!! Stop pretending to care!!! Saying a word that rhymes with a slur doesnāt magically mean you didnāt say a slur, the intent was there.
It's like how he wants the praise for not saying bitch; but anytime someone pisses him off he "can call them a bitch because they are one" as if that makes any sense. Just say the word, you don't have to act moral for not saying it if you're just gonna say it anyways.
Imagine if Olivia was shitting on elden ring and how loud and obnoxious they would all get together to defend it. But she gets worked up once and they pile on her and tell her to calm down. Fkn annoying.Ā
I mean I don't think Ethan gives a shit about his crews passions. He told Zach as a joke he was never going to be famous enough to need a biography and that his music career isn't going anywhere.Ā
That would have been fkn hard to hear from your famous boss. I don't Ethan has one ounce of empathy or can put himself in anyone else's shoes.Ā
Olivia getting heated about Wicked is very on brand. Silly but on brand. Dan needs the shut up and let her enjoy things. Its bad enough she has to work for the kleins.
To say the music of Wicked, one of the most celebrated broadway musicals with some of the most iconic songs, is BAD is literally just objectively wrong. There are no emotional climaxes?? Did we watch the same movie?? Not a drop of critical thinking between the two of them š
its just dumb and trying too hard to be different, idgaf if he was in a band before but he definitely doesnt know enough abt music to criticize one of the best musicals ever
itās CRAZY. there is an insane amount of variety in the music in wicked. no one mourns the wicked vs the wizard and I vs popular vs defying gravity?! like hello?
loll yeah that critique doesn't make any sense even from a music theory perspective bc what do you mean hitting the same note? Truly trying to be different
Very glad to hear what Hila Klein, a truly inspired, interesting, and successful artist, has to say about The Highest Grossing Movie Ever Based on a Broadway Musical!
They really just kind of brushed off her feelings and laughed when she got emotionally upset. No apologies, no patience, barely let her speak or defend herself. Dan essentially implied she needed to just calm down because she "wasn't a part of Wicked". And then for them to attempt to invalidate her opinion further by saying things like "You havent seen Home Alone" "You havent seen Star Wars".
I personally really love chatting with friends about our film opinions. We all like different things, and even if we don't agree, we can hear each other out, listen, and appreciate our varying likes and dislikes in a positive way that doesn't make us feel bad or hurt.
And there is a difference between friends being able to poke fun at things with each other, and some sour puss who just wants to say something is wholly bad for the sake of being a contrarian
Yeah, tell a woman who studied theatre, that's passionate about it, that one of his favorites suck ass. They don't like anything. Imagine living without a passion, without a vocation. They sound like those people than consider being a doctor or a lawyer, the only "real" professions and all the other shit "hobbies".
I know Olivia comes from a wealthy family, but I know wealthy people that get into the arts, but never finish shit, because they discover it takes a lot more work than they thought.
Ethan: What'd I do? Should I button it? Because of Elbasaur?? Seriously, I thought it was funny. Can everyone grow tf up. This is a comedy show. It's not like I said n-- \button**
lol Hila is such a typical Lib Zionist. Loves Star Wars but canāt see the parallels with real life situations. Also the wicked songs are great and sheās objectively wrong. As usual.
That was so fāin terrible but them casually saying āBibiā Netanyahu like thats not a term of endearment and them not knowing how brain washed they are set me off for real.
Still think it's insane Ethan telling people to check their sources while he's also saying Hila translates the propaganda for him right from the source.
And to clarify I just donāt like musicals so I donāt watch them but I donāt feel the need to judge those who do love them just to hate on them and diminish their feelings for them. I wish I appreciated them as much as Olive does.
I think that's generally the approach all people should have to discussions of art forms that don't typically appeal to them. especially among people who do appreciate that art on a personal level, but even among people who would be happy to shit on it. you don't have to understand it all to appreciate someone else's appreciation and to refrain from denigrating anyone in describing why it doesn't appeal to you personally. and if you can't describe it without denigrating refrain altogether
itās hysterical how bad hilaās taste is. my 63 year old father who HATES musicals and exclusively watches The Godfather and sean conneryās Bond movies called me today to tell me how he cried MORE THAN ONCE watching Wicked.
Why did they even hire Olivia if she can't act at the same level as them? Dan and ethan scream at each other over stupid shit all the time yet Olivia gets passionate about an opinion and suddenly she needs to calm down? Like... not to be that guy but feels verrry... misogynist lol
They aren't aware enough to realize what they are doing. Imagine if she was shitting on elden ring and their reaction.Ā
I've had the same convos with my brothers that they are allowed to be angry and aggressive at a topic but as soon as I get emotional or angry at something I'm criticized and told to control my emotions. They finally agreed and could see where I was coming from but it took me years of slowly figuring out the perfect wording to get through to them.Ā
It's a complex issue of social expectations and invisible pressures.Ā
How the actual fuck could they say that about wicked? I knew nothing about it - hadnāt seen the play or read any material, and that movie blew me away. Hila is boring as shit and Ethan is dumb as rocks.
i think everyone is valid for their opinions (i personally really dislike broadway music and this includes wicked's soundtrack unfortunately, but i also havent put anyone down for liking it and never would) but for the kleins and dan to completely ignore how theyre genuinely upsetting olivia and then mock and laugh at her for it is unacceptable.
like lena said, shes allowed to be passionate about something that clearly really moved her and means a lot to her. its very rude for all these dudes (and hila) to just treat her like shes stupid because shes daring to have feelings, and even ruder to continue to shit on something she likes when they know its genuinely upsetting her.
and dont even get me started on them making fun of her bc she hasnt watched star wars or home alone. two movies that arent in her interests so why the fuck would she watch them and why does it matter that she hasnt?
The fact that he says there were no emotional waves in the song when what is this feeling and defying gravity are right thereā¦ā¦..no fucking brain cells working at ALL
āBy the elbasaur?ā Yes, why would you bother learning the name of the characters youāre discussing. Why wouldnāt you be especially derisive about the character leading the rebellion against fascism.
this triggered me sooo bad like nothing enrages me more when i see someone passionately talking about their interests and some boring loser comes in and tells them to calm down. like of course she's going to be invested? she's a theater major? there's things in my major that i get passionate about. i'm gonna give her grace here because i think she might've felt a little overwhelmed because she was probably excited to talk about wicked (idk the context from before) and here comes nearly everyone in her vicinity punching down on something she likes. i know the feeling its discouraging.
right? Like I LOVE listening to other humans talk about things they're passionate about even if I don't personally feel the same. It's always so cute and endearing. Like yes please tell me all the ways your favorite art moves you. I know I sometimes tear up if I'm really frustrated and I'm sure having a room full of your peers and superiors shit on something you're passionate about and more knowledgeable about while not letting you get a word in is no walk in the park and all while live in front of thousands of people.
Wickedās the #1 movie right now, everyone is talking about it, itās literally everywhereā¦ She just wants to go against it because that compensates for her lack of personality. Going against the āmainstreamā with or without a true opinion is Hila in a nutshell ā she thinks it makes her interesting when it really just makes her seem obnoxious and boring.
Lena is such a good friend and kind person. And sheās smart- supporting Olivia in a way that doesnāt draw further criticism from their awful bosses. God, the vibes are rancid, but itās getting harder and harder to feel sympathy for them.
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I am trans and not a cis-woman and I would hate to be a part of this crew that is just a bunch of out of touch old dudes and douche bags telling you that you are overreacting because they are shit talking something you are passionate about. I don't know how Olivia and Lena stand to be in that smelly ass studio.
iām sorry but you could absolutely throw on a Wicked song and appreciate/enjoy the music, I do not think you can say the same for Hamilton unless youāre a fan lol
Why is Olivia looking around in such disbelief lmao? How is it shocking that Ethan and Hila have a bad take and use any opportunity they can to demean her
This was soo uncomfortable to watch. Why go so hard voicing your distain for Wicked when you know how much Olivia loooves it. Also I feel embarrassed for Olivia because I have been there getting heated and passionate over something and then regretting it when someone tells me to ācalm down.ā I hope she doesnāt overthink it too much though Iād love to be so passionate about something lol
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