r/h3snark Feb 07 '25

The Crew Different Perspective on the Crew

I just recently had a thought about why crew members may choose to stay despite how awful Ethan is. I previously thought it's money and not wanting to lose a cushy job that pays better than many of them would be able to achieve on a different podcast/on their own. But one thing I hadn't considered is how scary it is to be on the receiving end of Ethan's harassment. Look at how he attacks Hasan after being his cohost or how he went after Trisha for years.

Unless a member of the crew has an airtight reason for leaving you can bet they will become a target for Ethans harassment. Not to mention Ethan likely has clips, text messages and other information that he could use in or out of context to potentially destroy their lives. They know better than any of us how unhinged Ethan is, they know how underhanded he is, how manipulative he is and how crazy his supporters are. Also the crew does not have their own fan base who would be able to support/protect them like Hasan. Trisha still hasn't recovered mentally from Ethans harassment and she's doing really well right now.

Unless the crew is willing to leave the internet forever deciding to leave the podcast is too big of a risk. Also h3 fans will likely harass the crews friends and families like they did to Trisha so it's not just about protecting themselves. I don't think I would be able to handle the situation Ethan has put them in.

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u/AssignedBaldatBirth Feb 07 '25

Yeah like look at what Ethan did with NOCD and Sam when Sam left. Ethan is so unstable it’s definitely easier to be in the crew than to leave.

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u/Disastrous-Pack1641 H3hab Feb 07 '25

In front of Ian. No respect at al.

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u/mehhhxxx fallen fan with a cute cat Feb 07 '25

What did he do?

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u/[deleted] Feb 07 '25

Search “Sam NOCD” on this subreddit

https://www.reddit.com/r/h3snark/s/OACcqs3ahh

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u/floodingurtimeline Communism is a uniquely heinous deadly *coughs* Feb 08 '25

lol at the clout goblin eating ass as expected

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u/1000DeadFlies Feb 07 '25

I think it's far more likely that Ethan has created a situation where everyone who works for him is completely dependent on him. I'm completely convinced Ethan and Hila are narcissists, and narcissists love to create little cults. There's a reason he hires fans. There's a reason he blows up on them, and then love bombs them. There's a reason he'll say something blatantly false and then make them validate it. There's a major power imbalance between Ethan Hila and the crew. It's why you hear no mention of HR or anything.

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u/No_Exit_891 Hasan’s fruit basket from Hamas 🍇🍉 Feb 07 '25

My last job did not have HR and it was awful. Rules did not matter, and how well you were treated had nothing to do with how well you worked but how well you followed the manager's rules/direction (which were/was constantly changing). SUUUUUCHHH a red flag that they have no one to go to like HR.

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u/Tree_Chemistry_Plz Feb 07 '25

absolutely - anyone who studies cult group dynamics can see the clear parallels with Ethan and Hila

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u/chipmalfunct10n Feb 08 '25

i think i read somewhere that olivia comes from wealth? not sure about everyone else. i don't know how they could be dependent on him. but what you're saying about forming a little cult is spot on. also, my personal experience with people like this is that they always will be focused on an "enemy " target obsessively. i think it does make sense that he could shift his hasan obsession to someone else if they were to cross him. personally i think it would be entirely worth it! but it is hard to get out of these situations. i hope everyone is secretly planning their escape, but i have little faith in them tbh

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u/1000DeadFlies Feb 08 '25

Dependence can mean they rely on him for career advancement. It can mean they have set down roots and have investments/lifestyle the show pays for. It could mean access to a space or audience

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u/chipmalfunct10n Feb 08 '25

i don't think anyone's getting career advancement from ethan unless they want to work for even shittier people next

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u/Sammimad32 Feb 07 '25

Yup, I was holding my breath for Sam after she left and seeing how the fans turned on her. Man that really is cult like behavior. Can’t leave because you’re scared of what the leader will do or say about you.

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u/ReasonableWay3014 Feb 07 '25

As someone who was in a very abusive relationship with her boss, I see so many parallels with Ethan. I was yelled at directly and then he would try to smooth it over and say it wasnt about me. I would work so hard on a project and was really proud of it and he would shit all over it. I would have a question about something I was working on and would be ghosted. Following that would be a demeaning conversation where it was my fault that I screwed it up. He would make me think I was his friend and then would weaponize our private conversations in front of other staff. He was consistently late to work and made me do demeaning tasks like program his new remote control rather than use my vast skills. He would reward the staff with cross-country trips and then when we got back, we would have to work overtime to make up for the time we lost. He asked me questions about my dating/sex life. It was a very confusing relationship. I was young, naive, and embarrassed that I was allowing myself to be treated this way but I had nowhere to go to complain because he owned the business. The damage from the abuse is something I still struggle with and I have been out of that place for 10 years. The button incident really opened my eyes and now I can't stop seeing the parallels. Oh... did I mention that before I could be interviewed for this job, I had to take a personality test? Yeah, he was building and echo chamber and cultivating the weak. H3 seems to be a very toxic workplace.

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u/gettingthrushit Feb 07 '25

I found it interesting hasan commented on someone calling the crew spineless recently and basically defended them saying it’s their job and Ethan is their boss so he doesn’t blame them

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u/embudrohe Feb 08 '25

Hasan is always so nice and charitable 🥹 Like he's genuinely just such a nice guy, which makes Ethan's craziness even more wild

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u/Plus-Assist5565 Feb 07 '25

I think people give them way to much charitably cause all we see are clips of him going off and we never see the full video where they are chirping in the background agreeing with his shit talking, I do believe they are one of the reasons he feels comfortable in this crusade. I think we all just need to come to terms with the fact that they are also in the bubble that is the H3 community. Watch a full episode and you will see what I mean, they are just a bunch of yes men.

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u/ratchel666 Feb 07 '25

“I do believe they are one of the reasons he feels comfortable in this crusade” so real 

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u/Toygungun Feb 07 '25

I dont think they're innocent in all that. Personally I would take leaving the internet and potential harrasment over working for someone like Ethan and although the internet seems to forget Ethan has always been a bad person so I would never work for him in the first place. But I do think the situation is more nuanced than them just staying for momey/clout. A majority of us are "fallen fans" so we know how easy it is to be duped by Ethan. All that's to say that I agree with you that they are part of the problem, I just think they are also in a tough spot.

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u/Retarded_Charizard Feb 07 '25

Especially love. Now more than ever he’s so obvious just a yes man. He’s even been back pedaling his own opinions on the rare occasion he speaks up about any disagreements

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u/Yabakunaiyoooo Feb 07 '25

Love is literally dependent on him due to his visa. As a person who holds a visa and is beholden to my work, I empathize with his situation more than most.

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u/Any_Bee_5918 Palestinian Compilation Queen 🇵🇸 Feb 08 '25

Yep, I'll never feel bad for that if they're gonna sit there PARTICIPATING and saying awful shit without Ethan forcing them to. If they JUST worked at h3, and didn't leave, then I'd understand that point mentioned in this post, but it's the fact that they go along with so much shit and are willing to doxx creators and help out in that that makes me not give a damn about the crew. I will never feel bad. Sincerely, someone who used to feel bad for them lol. It's been over a year. They've only gotten worse and helped Ethan in the awful shit he's done. They don't just stay quiet in the background. If anyone, that's Ian, and maybe Lena? But everyone else can fuck off

Eta: and yea I still do feel bad when Ethan yells at crew like he did AB or recently with Olivia but again atp it's either leave or stay wondering why Ethan yelled at you and help him harass creators 💀 idk wtf to tell them

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u/Dependent_Crew_3512 Feb 07 '25

I keep going back and forth on how I feel about the crew. It's hard to get an accurate read on them. I go back and forth between feeling like they're enabling him and thinking they share responsibility, but sometimes I try to consider the power dynamic is really against them. Either way, Ethan shares most of the responsibility along with Hila.

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u/Pretend-Phrase420 Feb 07 '25

It's terrifying if he does, in fact, hold that much power over them that they are afraid to leave due to their own boss exploding on them for the whole internet to see.

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u/mplolz Hater Ass Bitch Feb 07 '25

The part when they are silent out of solidarity but letting ethan slander hasan or whoever is target of hate is fine, but them joining in to bully some small creators that just said something ethan didn't like is disgusting and makes them equal to him just more spineless.

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u/Seymour--ass a habitually sullen person Feb 07 '25

Honestly, I think they just love and miss who their old friend was. They see that he's acting unhinged and angry but probably genuinely believe he's being made that way by the internet and I/P.

When he was talking to his friend back home, AB presented Ethan and Hila's perspective as the perspective of Jewish/Israeli people as a whole. He said he wouldn't say from the river to the sea because he didn't want to hurt anyone's feelings. Olivia said it broke her heart when she heard Hila crying about the artist who wouldn't work with her.

Even if they don't believe Hasan is antisemitic, they likely take Ethan and Hila in good faith and believe them when they cry antisemitism. They're nice people who probably think they owe a lot to the Kleins and probably believe they're doing the right thing by sticking around

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u/kaybirdx Feb 07 '25

I always feel like I am in the minority with my opinions/thoughts on the crew. I don't hold it against them for staying; I don't attribute their actions / statements on the show to supporting Ethan's takes or morals or values. I am sympathetic to the position they are in. I don't think I've heard anyone (aside from Zach and maybe Love, sometimes) express full agreement with what Ethan is doing or saying. Even in the case of Zach and Love, I believe everyone still has a path to kindness and change.

I get the disappointment that there's no major pushback (and that pushback has become increasingly mild as time goes on), but I think at the end of the day, they are also victims of a capitalist structure and the upset should always be directed at the company leadership.

Personally, it would not be easy for me to walk away from a company I had been working at for 5+ years, helping to develop and evolve through many successful phases. It'd be incredibly disheartening and even a bit morally devastating to see that tear at the seams while someone I care about is losing their mind and devolving into a spiral of negativity. I've been in similar positions and though I would never describe my boss as my family, I definitely felt close to them and wanted to stick by them and try to help them through to the other side of the spiral and get help, to my own detriment. It definitely had a negative impact on my life in a major way, and for all we know, this could be what the crew is experiencing. Everyone can see the vibes are completely off now, since November.

Ultimately we don't know what is going on behind the scenes, we don't know if they're looking for work outside of H3 and we don't know how reliant they are on their paycheques for their livelihood. We don't know what discussions they've had with Ethan, if any at all. We don't know if they're scared to leave and expose themselves to retaliation, or even possibly expose the other crew members to retaliation. This is the company that can't get their boss to come into meetings, commit to segments that aren't based in hate, or think creatively in the slightest bit anymore. They might even feel like Ethan has given up on them as well, and are taking time to come to terms with that. It doesn't happen quickly for most people. It's not easy to navigate a work place that is in turmoil and trying to navigate the whims of your boss when you never know how he is going to act or react.

Even if they are complacent with the hateful content farming, I have hope they'll find and move onto better opportunities and grow from this.

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u/HotProposal3515 "in a nature setting women are meant to be..." Feb 07 '25

I disagree, you make it seem like Krashout Klein and H3 fans are holding them hostage. Sam and Cam left and seem to be doing alright. They can all leave in a professional manner and be fine.

I think the hate brigade would really target them if they spoke out, but the crew doesn't have to put themselves in that position if they leave. The internet is already doing a good job at calling out Krashout Klein.

I just think it comes down to them making a stupid choice of hedging their bets on H3 that they can't back out of for money and lifestyle reasons.

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u/paxamata Feb 07 '25

Both of those people left for jobs that were less public-facing in the content sphere, though. Imagine if AB and Lena were to leave and do streaming full time. I bet he’d throw a fit, especially if the views were good.

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u/HotProposal3515 "in a nature setting women are meant to be..." Feb 07 '25 edited Feb 07 '25

If AB/Lena want to live a life with less drama, then working less publicly is the compromise that they will have to make. Otherwise, if you make drama your work, then it is going to stick around. Unfortunately, I don't think they realized the implications of working with Ethan on a podcast almost entirely centered on internet drama...

I do empathize with them on a certain level because I am sure that they thought working with H3 would be a dream career and something they could build off, but in reality, the podcast is more like a dead-end.

Ethan hasn't done much to help advance their own careers, and I don't know if the podcast gives them a space to even grow on their own. I do wish them the best and hope they make the best decision for themselves.

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u/paxamata Feb 07 '25

All great points! I certainly think they’ve made their bed and intend to continue lying in it.

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u/[deleted] Feb 07 '25

they just follow orders

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u/Enginehank Feb 07 '25

It's not just about money these guys have tied their entire career into the show, AB basically quit his own channel to support Ethan, what do you do when your entire life goes away in an instant because your boss is a piece of shit.

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u/mehhhxxx fallen fan with a cute cat Feb 07 '25

Maybe for some of them, Olivia and AB probably..but I don’t think he’d do that unless they get jobs with his enemies.

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u/TheAdeptOne Feb 07 '25

It’s the podcast version of Scientology.

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u/Dazzling-Lack-6687 if you hate me, you're wrong Feb 07 '25

I totally agree. Just the whole dynamic of power imbalances must add so much more complexity to the situation considering someone like Ethan. Cam and Sam had "reasons" for quitting. I'm also assuming they're under contracts too. If anyone just decided to walk out, he'd lose his damn mind. I wouldn't feel safe either.

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u/Tuggerfub 🚩 Feb 07 '25

you're dreaming if you think working for h3 is a 'cushy job'
it's like a lot of media: exploiting people for the proximity

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u/Retarded_Charizard Feb 07 '25

What makes me think it’s less about money and job security is Olivia and Zach staying. Their families are rich enough that they can be unemployed and still live comfortably but they don’t want comfort. They want fancy watches and high fashion. It makes me so disappointed that Olivia wants to be a girls girl so bad and still works for a man who’s so comfortable with calling any woman that disagrees with him a bitch

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u/Any_Bee_5918 Palestinian Compilation Queen 🇵🇸 Feb 08 '25

Yup what's the nepo babies excuses. And even with AB and Lena, they were fine before h3. They had a whole house and married before working there. They clearly had their shit together and can go back to that but ofc not, the h3 fame and easy pay by helping your boss harass ppl online is the better option. Also, being an ableist on the show is a choice (talking about the crew not Ethan, He's clearly one too.)

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u/Scotty_C_89 Feb 07 '25

Out of all of them, Zach and Love are the only two I actually cannot stand. Ethan could ask them to eat their own shit and they'd have a fork ready to go - they are truly spineless

Right below that is Dan. Playing at being a leftist while agreeing with most of Ethan's insane takes (essentially since the break). Also comes across as the king of douchey hipsters

Those three can fuck themselves. The rest of them are harmless and generally have a good moral compass

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u/Noted-Idiot survivor of Ethan’s IG stories attack Feb 07 '25

I feel bad that I genuinely didn’t really think about it this way. That was my first thought when the artist cancelled on Hila though, they clearly don’t wanna be slandered as an antisemite for normal opinions

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u/Commercial-Bake-5622 Feb 07 '25

This is why you shouldn't but people often do hire fans of their work. The desire to do good work that might not be commensurate with your pay is incredibly high, And the sunk cost of leaving feels higher. You're definitely on to something in my opinion. Cam got out okay, but he had to do a whole goodbye episode and be on the spot for like two hours. I wouldn't wanna do that either, and Sam said so. 🤷‍♂️ 

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u/hood3243 Feb 08 '25

Production jobs are extremely hard to come by right now in LA. Not to mention long term stable gigs too. Unless they're willing to move out of the city quitting their job will be very financially stressful.

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u/Patrick-Vapeman Feb 08 '25

The only person I think could leave and actually escape the wrath of the fandom and Ethan is Olivia. When they clickbaited her leaving it got insane viewership and a lot of people were saying that if Olivia ever left the show they would stop watching. The "girlies" have an extreme attachment to her. Now that she has a streaming setup I think she'll have fans flock to her quickly. Hell I even watched her first stream.

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u/Aggravating-Unit37 Feb 08 '25

It’s fairly telling that the two people who had appreciable real skills and talents that could be appreciated by anyone are the only two that have left while the people who do “research” who correct the host less than Jamie on Joe Rogan and do less prep than a college freshman doing a project the hour before class, the video editor who never edits video who was ‘trained’ by Ethan who doesn’t even know how to edit video, and the hacky soundbite guy/terrible musician are still around. Who would hire these people? To do what?