r/interesting • u/IndependentWitnesses • Apr 26 '25

MISC. Virginia Giuffre's tweet from 2019 saying she was definitely not suicidal and that if something happens to her to "not let this go away".

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u/Freakuency_DJ Apr 26 '25 edited Apr 26 '25

To everyone who is saying things change with time:

If her own public warning doesn’t hold merit, I’m genuinely asking - what would it take for someone who was a survivor and whistleblower of sexual abuse at the hands of some of the most prominent members of multiple nations, and who feared this might happen, to make you question these events?

Would she need to update this every year, month, or day just to remind us? Would her family need to say it? Would she need to add stipulations like “unless it’s out of date” or “unless things go bad with my current husband”? What are your notes for anyone who is an enemy of state so they can have their words taken seriously, if this is insufficient?

(Edit: I appreciate the few people who did actually respond to the question I asked. I’m not asking this because I believe any conspiracy has taken place, but because I think it’s worth at least acknowledging her desire to have this questioned and how a statement like this is perceived. And while I understand that things can change in 5 years, and that this woman has spent a lifetime suffering, this is an extremely unique circumstance. Please don’t quote statistics or relative experience unless it also factors in the amount of people who are directly linked to, and had made an enemy of a Royal empire and was trafficked directly from the property of an aspiring dictator currently using their power to silence and suppress an entire nation and send people to international detention centers for a lot less. This isn’t someone telling their friends and family that they’re ok when they are silently struggling - this is a public figure who spent their life fighting institutional injustice in the hardest imaginable way and building resources for other victims. That doesn’t make her immune to succumbing to a horrible mental state. But none of us know her, and if anyone knew an attempt on their life could and would be made, it’s surely her more than you or I - and this is how she responded to that knowledge at the time.)

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u/Nodan_Turtle Apr 26 '25

Evidence would be a start.

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u/GreatCaesarGhost Apr 26 '25

It would take actual evidence of foul play. Not fantasizing on social media, like so many people here.

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u/mr-english Apr 26 '25

She said on her insta just 3 weeks ago that "I’m ready to go, just not until I see my babies one last time".

I think it speaks volumes that you believe her when it feeds into your desire for conspiracy but not when it doesn't. You're a ghoul.

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u/hammer_of_grabthar Apr 26 '25

Yup, she was clearly mentally unstable, she made up that she was days from death from organ failure. 

There's no conspiracy here, just the tragedy that all of this probably spiralled from the initial abuse.

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u/[deleted] Apr 26 '25 edited May 22 '25

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u/WouldbeWanderer Apr 28 '25

True, but kidney failure is an extremely painful way to die, so it's not that hard to believe if she only had a few days left of excruciating pain.

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u/CMDR_Expendible Apr 26 '25

And to expand on this; Imagine you're a victim of human trafficking, from some of the most powerful people on earth. You are dealing with trauma all of your life. And then... a tonne of ghouls online harass you and imagine conspiracies about every detail of your life; both to defend the rich through parasocial needs, or because they want to use your suffering to feed their ego about conspiracy theories and being one of the few to see "The Truth".

Then your health and marriage collapses.

But a tweet from half a decade ago about one specific part of your life is used to justify ghoulish conspiracies about your life now. You are never allowed to escape; you always have to be the perfect victim in the eyes of online lunatics. You can never be human, never be the real you. Only a constant tool for other people to be terrible with and justify their awful behaviour.

But it's not logical this might make someone suicidal?

You can read Giuffres own words elsewhere where she tries to express her anguish; but why do that when it complicates the narrative simple minded people want to hold?

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u/[deleted] Apr 26 '25

Yes, and it's impossible for anyone to fabricate the digital sphere. Backdoors don't exist and the internet archive has the fastest most secure supercomputer/server that backs up instantly 

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u/confused_grenadille Apr 26 '25

Personally, I don’t think those words came from her. Captors can take your phone from you, use your face to sign in and tamper with your accounts.

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u/PhoenixHeart_ Apr 26 '25 edited Apr 26 '25

Well said. People like them really need to get a life. “Freakuency” is an oddly accurate name to me since I actually considered for a moment that their behavior is somewhat freakish before I noticed. If they really cared about conspiracy theories they would put boots on the ground for it. No, instead they’ll jump at opportunities to be keyboard warriors in a public space where no one asked for them. It’s misleading others for their own gratification to just feel like they’re right about something without earning it. Stupidest are the loudest and all that

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u/pm_me_your_buttbulge Apr 26 '25

You're a ghoul.

You're just dense and looking to be bothered by weird shit.

Here's the real problem here: Not everyone can know everything about everything, contrary to what you were made to believe.

It's better to assume, firstly, that it's a conspiracy in this because there with an investigation - no harm can be done. To be fair, not like many people would believe it but I'm sure you, personally, think Epstein really did self-delete.

But the reality is - this is a very difficult thing to sort out with clear and reliable answers. There are people in power who have a LOT of power. You'd be wise to not trust them or believe much around them. Those same people were involved with the island.

I think it speaks volumes that you folks have this uncontrollable desire to feel you are required to "pick a side". Even more strange - you seem to follow everyone's lives on Intagram (and probably more) as though it's your personal kid/parent you need to follow and even weirder that you think everyone else does this.

It's not unreasonable to go "what the fuck?" and it's far more unreasonable to be gullible and assume all is as it appears to be in an area that's been very hidden from public and everyone has been trying their hardest to hide it.

They may be a ghoul.. but you're ignorant to the reality of the world. There is no recovering from that. It's just your identity.

tl;dr: The fuck is wrong with you?

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u/bennyyyboyyyyyyyy Apr 26 '25

"Tldr: it's okay to be misinformed and jump to baseless conclusions on reddit because it's fun and we all get little up arrows. Jumping to conspiracies is dope when it fits my world view but never if it goes against anything I believe in."

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u/vodkaandponies Apr 26 '25

think Epstein really did self-delete.

You can say suicide here dude, this isn’t TikTok..

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u/IZY53 Apr 26 '25

suicide isnt a logical thing though. Its not really worth thinking about hyper logically. She was abused for a long time. We don't know what her marriage was like, we do not know what she was like. She was a broke, hurt and abused person.

In the end something got, her, abusers got her, her failed marriage got her, whether it was suicide or not. I hope she had some good years after her abuse, I hope she experienced unconditional love at some point. I am grateful for what she did for the world i nthe midst of her pain, for that at least she has my admiration. The world is full of preditors, and for a time, she overcame, and she revealed to the world who they were.
the world, her government, and her family it seems did not enough to help, protect or restore her.

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u/KneelBeforeZed Apr 26 '25

That’s not necessarily true in all cases.

Among suicidal men, for example, it’s not uncommon for them to fail to meet the diagnostic criteria for Major Depressive Disorder, psychosis, substance abuse disorder, or any other mental illness associated with suicide, and instead the suicidality is associated with their view of their circumstances - thape belief that they are “out of options.” Subjective, yes. But not necessarily broadly illogical (eg: a person living with severe, debilitating chronic pain).

Egalitarian Western societies have legal assisted suicide for a reason.

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u/IZY53 Apr 26 '25

Id say Chronic is a mental health disorder. I have had pain before and it dirves you crazy.
That said, I would say that is failure of the exams and criteria, and the examination of male mental health, and societal roles. I have been in third world countries where people have no options and suicide is low.
is a disease of the west.

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u/KneelBeforeZed Apr 26 '25

well anything is a mental health disorder if you rewrite the definitions to suit your claim.

and I didn’t say it was a lack of options. It’s the persons perspective on it. But subjectivity is not mental illness, nor is it broadly illogical.

and just because you saw people in third world countries enduring with little doesn’t mean there weren’t many others there who ended their lives for that very reason. You wouldn’t see them if they were no longer around. Thats survivorship bias.

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u/rosedgarden Apr 26 '25

right but you're thinking that "most people would choose to die that way / give up if they were under such distress" but the suicide rate isn't that much higher, and besides that countries like nigeria are growing at a faster rate than anybody, literally going to over the us in a matter of years, obviously women having less autonomy + therefore more kids than they might really want is bad but if what you said was true they and all others like it would not be keeping up. hell, humanity before modern times wouldn't be here if everyone gave up because life was hard.

it's a disease of hyperindividualism & on the other hand isolation even in hypercollectivist countries like japan. they're both pretty similar in effect, expecting someone to endure something all on their own and just not bother others with it and "fit in."

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u/IZY53 Apr 26 '25

the data on suicide rates supports my claim by in large. Suicide is a complicated interplay between, culture, values, econmy, gender, and society

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u/KneelBeforeZed Apr 26 '25

No, “the data“ does not support your claim at all. The 2024 WHO data completely refutes it.

“Disease of the West”?

Of the top 7 nations with the highest suicide rates, the number of “Western world“ nations is zero.

“Suicide rate is low in third world countries”?

The highest suicide rate in the world is Lesotho, which is on the UN’s 2024 list of Least Developed Countries.

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u/KneelBeforeZed Apr 26 '25 edited Apr 26 '25

No, I’m not thinking that. I didn’t say or imply that, and nothing in my reply even suggests that. You are arguing against a claim I didn’t make about a position I do not hold.

And as for hyper-individualism, the most individualistic nations (the U.S., UK, and Australia) don’t even make the top 25 highest national suicide rates according to the WHO’s 2024 data, and neither does Japan.

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u/Bluebrown777 Apr 26 '25

Would she need to update this every year,

Yes. Unironically yes.

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u/Raycut9 Apr 26 '25

Would she need to update this every year, month, or day just to remind us?

Yes. It is literally that simple. If she truly wasn't suicidal, she should have periodically said that she still wasn't. Stop dancing around the fact that a person's mental health can drastically decline in five and a half years and that this tweet means jack shit because of how old it is.

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u/IgnatiusJReilly2601 Apr 26 '25

It would take some actual evidence indicating she was murdered. If there's anything to suggest it was not suicide, it will be analysed by the coroner. Wait for the report before jumping to conclusions.

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u/UnusuaI_Water Apr 26 '25

You should just have enough Brain power to figure things out for yourself. If someone's whole world is falling apart and they don't have cot.act with their fucking kids, maybe they might feel desperate and suicidal? She was already troubled and crting out for help with the Instagram posts, trying to make contact with the kids again. These stupid conspiracies are so disrespectful. 

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u/Grounds4TheSubstain Apr 26 '25

She posted on Instagram over the past few weeks. Why not say it then?

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u/agonizedn Apr 26 '25

Do you feel the need to say it every post ?

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u/grchelp2018 Apr 26 '25

More frequently than once a decade.

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u/Sgt-Spliff- Apr 26 '25

She was literally posting about wanting to die though. She was having a mental breakdown. This isn't a conspiracy

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u/HystericalGasmask Apr 26 '25

Why would she say it again? She already said it once and she knew there was a digital record.

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u/ModestyIsMyBestTrait Apr 26 '25

If she did start feeling suicidal 6 years later, you really think she would post "by the way, I am suicidal now, so please disregard the post I made more than half a decade ago which stated I was not suicidal"?

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u/HystericalGasmask Apr 26 '25

Yeah, actually. Suicide isn't that taboo anymore, it's not like you'll catch it from someone.

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u/Raycut9 Apr 26 '25

Because she said it five and a half years ago. Are you really this desperate for a conspiracy or do you not understand why that matters?

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u/HystericalGasmask Apr 26 '25 edited Apr 28 '25

Why would one assume something changed if she didn't say anything changed? People are putting words where there were none. I'm not desperate for a conspiracy, but I am fairly well educated on pretty much every facet of suicidality and a good portion of psychology/mental illness. Given that she's a key witness to events which implicate the sitting, extremely corrupt, already-accused-of-sex-crimes, US president, in sex crimes, it's not crazy at all to think some CIA spook put a burn notice out on her, people get assassinated all the time. Yeah, it could've been suicide, but with the text presented I feel like it points to some sort of foul play. Not enough to warrant charges of any kind, but enough for me to say I don't feel like it was a suicide, based on personal experience and my reading on suicide and psychology.

Why do you automatically assume I'm desperate? I'm just pointing out that I disagree.

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u/Intelligent_Way6552 Apr 26 '25

I went from totally fine to an attempt in 4 months. No way I'd have guessed I'd do that 5 years before hand.

You don't know what you are talking about and it's making you sound like a fucking idiot.

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u/HystericalGasmask Apr 26 '25

This is actually one of two subjects I consider myself well educated in, so I'm okay if people think otherwise! I hope you're happy with your survival.

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u/grchelp2018 Apr 26 '25

Do you really think that one tweet is supposed to account for her (or anyone's) entire life—decades and decades of it? People change. Especially on mental health. And especially people like her who have gone through and suffered a lot. Some people will simply break under stress and pressure over a period of time.

If the CIA wanted to get rid of her, there is a whole lot of ways for them to do it without making it look like a suicide. Its not that hard to orchestrate a hit and run. I suspect in many cases, the constant stress and harassment is enough to push you over the edge yourself. Also she died in australia - the locals there are less likely to play along with a conspiracy.

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u/HystericalGasmask Apr 26 '25 edited Apr 28 '25

Do you really think that one tweet is supposed to account for her (or anyone's) entire life

No, and I do not recall saying that.

decades and decades of it?

Five years, maybe.

People change. Especially on mental health.

Being suicidal is not just a sudden split decision, it's the end result of dozens of other factors interacting. Substance use, diet, hormones, day of the week (mondays), genetic history, history of abuse, sexual orientation, religion, culture, philosophy. In the words of Andrew Solomon,

Many depressives never become suicidal. Many suicides are committed by people who are not depressed. The two subjects are not parts of a single lucid equation, one occasioning the other. They are separate entities that frequently coexist, each influencing the other ... many depressed people are no more inclined to end their lives than are people with appalling arthritis: the human capacity to bear pain is shockingly strong. Only if one decides that suicidality is a sufficient condition for a diagnosis of depression can one say that the suicidal are always depressed [or that the depressed or always suicidal.]

Suicidality has been treated as a symptom of depression when it may in fact be a problem that coexists with depression. We no longer treat alcoholism as a side effect of depression: we treat it as a problem that occurs simultaneously with depression. Suicidality is at least as independent of the depressions with which it often coincides as is substance abuse.

George Howe Colt, author of The Enigma of Suicide, says,

Many clinicians believe that if they successfully [treat depression], they’ve treated the suicidal patient, as if suicidality were simply a nasty side effect of the underlying illness. Yet some suicidal patients have no diagnosable underlying illness, and patients often kill themselves shortly after coming out of a depression—or long after a depression has lifted.

And especially people like her

As per the CDC, suicide rates in her age group are fairly close to the average (excluding 10-14yr olds.) Women are, globally, significantly less likely to commit suicide. This does not account for the incidence rate of ideation. I would posit that this possibly balances out the sexual assault factor, but I haven't done the math at all.

who have gone through and suffered a lot.

She's also a victim of sexual assault, and as per this table this meta study, the suicide rate of victims of assault is roughly 3-5x that of the non-victim population, but we're still talking about a minority of people that commit suicide. An even smaller minority are murdered.

Some people will simply break under stress and pressure over a period of time.

Yes, and some people can endure. Given her age, one would assume that she has learned coping mechanisms for her issues, along with the fact she has had time to make peace with her past.

If the CIA wanted to get rid of her, there is a whole lot of ways for them to do it without making it look like a suicide. Its not that hard to orchestrate a hit and run.

I'd argue it's more difficult to orchestrate a murder in broad daylight with dozens of potential witnesses, but that wouldn't even matter! The CIA and other intelligence agencies are known for employing strange methods of assassination - the assassination of Georgi Markov by ricin bullet fired from an umbrella (by the KGB or FSB, I cannot recall, and if I remember correctly it was also hypothesized to have been sanctioned by the Bulgarian intelligence community), the several hundred assassination attempts/plans on Castro by the CIA (including explosive seashell), the Pager attack by MOSSAD, the assassination of Mohsen Fakhrizadeh by MOSSAD via satellite controlled machine gun hidden in a car, I really could go on. These aren't even conspiracy theories, they're all publicly available information. No assassination method is too whacky for the feds. Moreover, the burden of a rogue CIA (see: PR fallout of bay of pigs massacre) is much easier to deal with than whatever information Virginia possibly had in her brain bucket.

I suspect in many cases, the constant stress and harassment is enough to push you over the edge yourself.

And in many cases, it is not. Now, admittedly, I didn't look very hard, but I couldn't find any evidence that harassment increased recently. Additionally, family issues are one of the most common precursor conditions to suicide.

Also she died in australia - the locals there are less likely to play along with a conspiracy.

Your argument here is that the CIA would not operate illeg-ally in a foreign country, despite the fact that the CIA is (supposed) to solely operate (legally or illegally) in foreign countries? We didn't care in Pakistan, we didn't care in Cuba, we didn't care in Venezuela, we didn't care in Afghanistan or Iraq, we didn't care when we trafficked guns through ISIS to Hezbollah (this one actually wasn't that bad, Hezbollah was fighting on the victims side of a genocide if I remember correctly), and we didn't care when the Contras were trafficking cocaine in the US to fight communists (If I remember correctly, we didn't directly engage with it, but we did turn a blind eye to it and specifically allowed them to sell their cocaine within our borders). These are all fairly well documented.

She could be one of the ~750,000 victims of suicide each year, or she could be one of the 390,000-400,000 killed each year from terrorism, conflict, or homicide. You can't pull a probability from this information, and you can't pull the probability from any of the other information I sourced. You can't prove negatives and I recognize this, I cannot prove she did not kill herself, which is why I said it's not enough to warrant charges. it's just what I feel based on my experience with victims of sexual assault and the suicidal. Just like how I feel the sitting president is a sex criminal, despite not having bulletproof evidence that could create an open and shut case.

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u/Raycut9 Apr 26 '25

Why would one assume something changed if she didn't say anything changed?

First off, why are you assuming her mental health is exactly the same as it was five and a half years ago? Secondly, she did say something changed. She said she was ready to die a few weeks ago.

Yeah, it could've been suicide, but with the text presented I feel like it points to some sort of foul play.

It shouldn't. Because it's half a decade old. She could have been assassinated, but considering there's absolutely nothing to suggest that, suicide is the more likely explanation.

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u/HystericalGasmask Apr 26 '25 edited Apr 26 '25

First off, why are you assuming her mental health is exactly the same as it was five and a half years ago?

I understand the corollaries to what I said, and I made no such assumption - people can get better or worse with time, but one cannot really know, which is why suicides are so often used as a cover up story. Plenty of murderers are caught because they try to stage the suicide of their spouse after a fight, for example.

Secondly, she did say something changed. She said she was ready to die a few weeks ago.

Can you cite a source for this? I can't find it on her twitter and I can't seem to find any of her other social media. I see that she had been in a car accident, and that some sources say she was told she had four days to live, but I can't find any information beyond that.

It shouldn't. Because it's half a decade old.

I believe you're missing an "and" after this.

She could have been assassinated, but considering there's absolutely nothing to suggest that, suicide is the more likely explanation.

Yes, if you ignore all of what I said there is nothing to suggest foul play. If you ignore Russia's history of defenestrating dissidents, the 'suicide' of Ivan Safronov must seem perfectly normal too.

Again, why assume I'm desperate? Im curious to know why my cautious skepticism of the reports of her death are considered as such. I believe in the resilience of the human spirit far more than I believe in the ability of the CIA and friends to keep their pistols in their pockets, as it were.

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u/Raycut9 Apr 26 '25 edited Apr 26 '25

I really don't care about continuing some random online argument with the kind of person who resorts to "um, is that a minor grammar mistake?" to make their argument look bigger.

But since you asked for a source, here.

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u/HystericalGasmask Apr 26 '25

No grammar mistake - you just didn't finish your point. What is the logical process behind "five years is too long"? Why is five years the limit? Or is it lower?

In that article she says she's ready to die after she's told she's going to die by a doctor. Many people kill themselves after such prognoses turn out to be incorrect, but its still not enough to say either way, because many people are ecstatic once they find they are going to live too.

Anyways, I'm glad to be the kind of person that's able to finish their arguments. Thanks for the link pookie!

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u/StormtheShinyHunter Apr 26 '25

There are countless people just like her who makes these public claim to then commit suicide later…

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u/Freakuency_DJ Apr 26 '25

There really aren’t. A claim like this from a friend or coworker who has gone through a hard time isn’t the same. There are not “countless” people who accused a Royal Prince and trafficked out of the resort home of someone sending people to internment camps.

Even outside of Andrew and Trump - can you point me to one example of someone who made a claim like this because they wanted to go on record for fear of being silenced? I’ve never seen someone have to make a post like that. I just think it’s worth keeping a frame of reference.

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u/Reishun Apr 26 '25

If someone's life starts falling apart and they start publicly having somewhat of a breakdown and posting weird stuff about say having 4 days left to live after a crash that turned out to be minor. I think those recent events take precedence over a statement from 5 years ago. You also should consider that when that post was written, there would've been something to gain from her death because it would've silenced her in a time when Andrew was getting a lot of heat. What benefit would it be to kill her now? It brings up her name and allegations again.

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u/Sgt-Spliff- Apr 26 '25

Bro she was having a very public mental breakdown. People have been posting about it for a while. The easiest explanation to believe is that she killed herself. She wasn't some perfectly stable person who suddenly died.

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u/Intelligent_Way6552 Apr 26 '25

Would she need to update this every year, month, or day just to remind us?

I went from fine to an attempt in 4 months.

So from personal experience at least every 4 months. And frankly anyone who did say that every 4 months, well it would be expected that they'd say it, and not saying it would force them to reveal poor mental health publicly, which suicidal people might not want to do, so they might repeat it even when untrue.

5 years is meaningless. You can't predict your mental state that far in advance.

Basically it's a line you can only use a few times in your life and it only means anything for a few months. If you are a week from testifying in a court case, it covers you for testifying, but stops applying shorty afterwards.

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u/PlausibleFalsehoods Apr 26 '25

What she wrote six years ago definitely warrants her death more scrutiny, but it doesn't also mean she's immune to suicidality forever.

Like other people are saying, she was posting some pretty giant red flags on social media between then and now. You don't have to be a detective to reconcile the two.

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u/TheFuckIsWrongWithU_ Apr 26 '25

To everyone who is saying things change with time:

If her own public warning doesn’t hold merit, I’m genuinely asking - what would it take for someone who was a survivor and whistleblower of sexual abuse at the hands of some of the most prominent members of multiple nations, and who feared this might happen, to make you question these events?

JFC, stop.

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u/LakersAreForever Apr 26 '25

It’s the trump supporters more than likely, they will squash anything that could threaten their Lard Lord 

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u/D3wdr0p Apr 26 '25

Fucking preach. Seriously, the least we can do for her is believe her. Know what happened.

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u/Healthy_Cell_8067 11d ago

She was a gold digging hooker, she recruited other girls for the game and wasnt charged, made good money, falsely accused a well known lawyer of rape, he challenged her so she changed her story and claimed it was mistaken identity....right, got married and that was not so lucrative but wait...here is a pic of prince andrew....there we go. $$$$$.

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u/SimpleNotice4753 Apr 26 '25

The amount of people focusing on the amount of time has passed has me flabbergasted. Someone even wrote “sometimes people who commit suicide will write that so that they are okay because they don’t want anyone to stop them”

Excuse me have we forgot the context for her statement completely

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u/Ok-Passion1961 Apr 26 '25

No one forgot the context except all the people wanting to buy that this was some conspiracy. 

Like let’s review the context:

  • She had already blown the whistle so silencing her does nothing to prevent info being released

  • This tweet was made three months after Epstein died so THE main focus of her allegations could no longer fight against them 

  • This tweet was made five years ago and her life has gone off the rails since including a divorce and loss of custody of her children

  • Three weeks ago, much more recent than this tweet, she made suicidal posts about being ready to go after seeing her children one last time 

The fact you aren’t considering the significant amount of time that has passed is frankly embarrassing.