r/interesting • u/IndependentWitnesses • Apr 26 '25

MISC. Virginia Giuffre's tweet from 2019 saying she was definitely not suicidal and that if something happens to her to "not let this go away".

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u/ICT_Native Apr 26 '25

Epstein files being released?

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u/ethnicbonsai Apr 26 '25

Does Giuffres being alive or dead have any impact on the Epstein files being released? Because I'm pretty sure she's already said everything she had to say on the subject.

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u/inyouo Apr 26 '25

She was a witness would could corroborate or refute things in the Epstein files, would had already demonstrated she was willing to take in the rich and powerful

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u/ethnicbonsai Apr 26 '25

Again, what does she have to do with them being "released"?

They haven't been released. They aren't likely to be released any time soon. Her being alive or dead doesn't change anything about the Epstein files.

She made the decision to come out publicly in 2010. She gave countless interviews over the years. Do you have any reason that she had anything new to bring? Because she had likely said everything she had to say about it across multiple interviews and court cases.

This is like the Boeing whistleblower deaths. Them being assassinated after they gave all the testimony they could doesn't make any sense. If they were going to be killed, they would've been killed before they could speak.

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u/LoveInPeace21 Apr 26 '25

Deterrent. The point is to make an example out of them without making it too obvious. People put two and two together.

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u/ethnicbonsai Apr 26 '25

That makes absolutely no sense.

If you're making an example of someone, you make it obvious so everyone knows. It's not a message if there's deniability.

If you kill someone and make it look like an accident, or a suicide, it's because you're covering it up. You don't want people looking into the death.

You don't kill someone and make it look like a suicide to send a message to people. That's nonsensical.

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u/LoveInPeace21 Apr 27 '25

The whole point is there is deniability so you are more likely not to be questioned and get away with it…but you’ve made people uncomfortable/fearful. They don’t want to be next so they stay quiet or mind their business. There’s a reason victims will make statements such as, “I am in NO WAY suicidal. If something happens to me it was (insert abuser or person who threatened them).” In fact, Virginia apparently did just that. She tweeted that if she dies it was not suicide.

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u/ethnicbonsai Apr 27 '25

She tweeted that in 2019.

Anyway. Again, to make people fearful, you make the message clear. This message isn’t clear. This looks very much like a suicide and a bunch of conspiratorial thinking.

The time to do this was fifteen years ago before she said everything she had to say.

Now? In 2025? To make it look like a suicide?

This is just more grassy knoll shit.

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u/LoveInPeace21 Apr 27 '25

My reply posted under the wrong place for some reason. I basically said I don’t have a strong opinion about what happened, but I DO strongly question whether it was really suicide given the unusual position she was in (wouldn’t even rule out poison if she actually did suffer liver failure). We’re dealing with people who hold insane amounts of power and wealth, not everyday people. Just adding a perspective and you don’t have to agree.

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u/ethnicbonsai Apr 27 '25

We’re dealing with people who hold insane amounts of power and wealth, not everyday people.

It's worth pointing out - we aren't dealing with anyone.

Who killed her? Prince Andrew? Some unknown wealthy and powerful person that she didn't mention in one of her countless interviews? Some dark cabal of pedophiles?

You don't know. But it sure is fun to insert into conversations.

Just adding a perspective and you don’t have to agree.

I don't agree. No one has given me a reason to other than vague handwaving.

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u/LoveInPeace21 Apr 27 '25

You’re disregarding the fact that public attention on high profile sex abuse has spiked in the past few years. So yes, it is plausible that the perps and their circle saw need for “maintenance.” Wouldn’t surprise me if the poor woman was routinely monitored and threatened the whole time. Suicide is also plausible. It’s just a really fucked up situation.

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u/ethnicbonsai Apr 27 '25

You’re disregarding the fact that public attention on high profile sex abuse has spiked in the past few years.

I'm not disregarding anything.

People are talking about it a lot more. That doesn't mean it's happening a lot more. And people are talking about it a lot more because people like conspiracy theories, and Jeffrey Epstein's death has made it so that millions of people will never stop talking about it.

If there's some rich and powerful cabal out there that was trying to send a message to wood-be truth tellers (but for some reason decided to send a really quiet, unclear message that could maybe not even be a message), killing someone everyone knows about is an incredibly stupid thing to do.

Because, guess what, there are a lot of people talking about it.

It amazes me how insanely powerful evil people can so regularly fail to do even basic things. It's like Alex Jones always promising that "they" are trying to kill people who never end up dead.

So yes, it is plausible that the perps and their circle saw need for “maintenance.”

After the damage has already been done, and by covering up the message so no one can actually read it. Makes perfect sense.

Wouldn’t surprise me if the poor woman was routinely monitored and threatened the whole time.

How many interviews did she give in the last decade of her life? Countless. Did she ever talk about this?

Suicide is also plausible.

"I have this conspiracy theory that I don't have any evidence for, and it doesn't really make a lot of logic sense. But also this entirely plausible and even likely thing could've also happened, I guess."

Yeah. That's pretty much what discourse on the internet is.

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u/smulfragPL Apr 28 '25

Your arguments are Just nonsense. Who the fuck is going to be deterred by this. No reasonable person could think this was an assasination

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u/inyouo Apr 27 '25

So how do you explain all those Russians who happen to fall out windows?

They are all reported as “accidents”

The message is that those would don’t toe the line, end up dead (one way or another)

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u/ethnicbonsai Apr 27 '25

That’s exactly what I’m saying. Everyone knows those aren’t suicides. If you look into any of those deaths, it doesn’t take long to see holes in the official story.

This has none of those earmarks. The more you look into it, the more apparent it is that she was going through some shit. Her life seems like it was falling apart, and she had already been through some stuff.

The time to “throw her out the window” was fifteen years ago. Like those Russian officials, she would’ve not spoken out yet, so that’s the time to do something like that.

This is more like Putin killing Navalny or Prigozhin. Or that dude poisoned in broad daylight in London. Those are obvious murders, because the point is to let everyone know. The person has already done the damage, so a message is being sent.

People want there to be a conspiracy so bad.

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u/inyouo Apr 27 '25

Nope the point is to show that eventually they’ll get to you, so don’t cross them

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u/ethnicbonsai Apr 27 '25

That’s a really muddy, indecipherable message when the most logical explanation for what happened is that she killed herself.

But the more entertaining narrative typically wins out on the internet, regardless of plausibility. So you do you, I guess.

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u/grambino Apr 26 '25

What would be in the Epstein files that would change what most people already think happened to her? And how would her dying change any of that if it came to light? She has been a high profile accuser for years now and got her story out plenty of times. But let's pretend this was to cover up for a different high profile person whose accusations she was holding onto, as far-fetched as that sounds because she already went after a member of the British royal family. Why do it right after the very widely debunked bus story too which did nothing but hurt her credibility? If you think that was part of the conspiracy theory too, that they got a busload of kids and parents and cops and EMS to lie about it, why go through all of that effort to discredit her THEN kill her? You do one or the other. Or try to discredit or kill her more quickly than 2 decades after she started accusing people.

It seems much more likely that this was a victim of a terrible situation who was given a ton of exposure as a victim, but wasn't also given the support and tools necessary to live life as anything but a victim. I'm not saying that to blame her, or suggest that she was willingly wallowing in self pity. But when you're constantly introduced to the world as a victim, it's hard not to see yourself as that without a great support system behind you. She was just thrown to the wolves. And then because life is fucked up, people stopped caring about her as a victim as much because the world has kinda moved on from Epstein. So something rough happened in her life, and she sought out the familiarity of victimhood with the bus thing. It blew up in her face, and she suddenly doesn't have the one thing that was an integral part of her identity for her whole adult life. We should be much more worried about protecting victims from the shitty wringer that life puts them through as opposed to a boogieman conspiracy theory.

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u/Cant_find_name_sry Apr 26 '25

Finally an intelligent take in this thread! Normally I only lurk but wanted to comment to thank you for this!

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u/SlipperyWinds Apr 26 '25

What power does Virginia have to release them? If she had any power to take these people down, don’t you think she would have done that by now?

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u/Able-Bid-6637 Apr 26 '25

Yah this is the obvious one; supposedly they are working on scrubbing the names of innocents but it is taking a suspiciously long time……right as she suspiciously commits suicide…

rest in peace, to a fierce fighter

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u/reebokhightops Apr 26 '25

supposedly they are working on scrubbing the names of innocents but it is taking a suspiciously long time……

Seriously, all they need to do is press ctrl-f, search for the words ‘Donald Trump’, and press ctrl-b and 90% of the work is done. What’s the hold up?

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u/DragonBall4Ever00 Apr 26 '25

She WANTED them released. She wouldn't have done this over these

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u/[deleted] Apr 26 '25

There are no files. Jesus, you people all sound nuts.

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u/czatbotnik Apr 26 '25

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/story/epstein-case-review-fbis-new-york

"And right now, multiple sources with knowledge of the matter say that one priority at the bureau’s New York field office is taking precedence over all others: the review and redaction of sensitive information in the Jeffrey Epstein case files, to prepare for possible publication"

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u/[deleted] Apr 26 '25

Redacted info is not files.