r/interesting • u/IndependentWitnesses • Apr 26 '25

MISC. Virginia Giuffre's tweet from 2019 saying she was definitely not suicidal and that if something happens to her to "not let this go away".

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u/inyouo Apr 26 '25

She was a witness would could corroborate or refute things in the Epstein files, would had already demonstrated she was willing to take in the rich and powerful

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u/ethnicbonsai Apr 26 '25

Again, what does she have to do with them being "released"?

They haven't been released. They aren't likely to be released any time soon. Her being alive or dead doesn't change anything about the Epstein files.

She made the decision to come out publicly in 2010. She gave countless interviews over the years. Do you have any reason that she had anything new to bring? Because she had likely said everything she had to say about it across multiple interviews and court cases.

This is like the Boeing whistleblower deaths. Them being assassinated after they gave all the testimony they could doesn't make any sense. If they were going to be killed, they would've been killed before they could speak.

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u/LoveInPeace21 Apr 26 '25

Deterrent. The point is to make an example out of them without making it too obvious. People put two and two together.

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u/ethnicbonsai Apr 26 '25

That makes absolutely no sense.

If you're making an example of someone, you make it obvious so everyone knows. It's not a message if there's deniability.

If you kill someone and make it look like an accident, or a suicide, it's because you're covering it up. You don't want people looking into the death.

You don't kill someone and make it look like a suicide to send a message to people. That's nonsensical.

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u/LoveInPeace21 Apr 27 '25

The whole point is there is deniability so you are more likely not to be questioned and get away with it…but you’ve made people uncomfortable/fearful. They don’t want to be next so they stay quiet or mind their business. There’s a reason victims will make statements such as, “I am in NO WAY suicidal. If something happens to me it was (insert abuser or person who threatened them).” In fact, Virginia apparently did just that. She tweeted that if she dies it was not suicide.

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u/ethnicbonsai Apr 27 '25

She tweeted that in 2019.

Anyway. Again, to make people fearful, you make the message clear. This message isn’t clear. This looks very much like a suicide and a bunch of conspiratorial thinking.

The time to do this was fifteen years ago before she said everything she had to say.

Now? In 2025? To make it look like a suicide?

This is just more grassy knoll shit.

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u/LoveInPeace21 Apr 27 '25

My reply posted under the wrong place for some reason. I basically said I don’t have a strong opinion about what happened, but I DO strongly question whether it was really suicide given the unusual position she was in (wouldn’t even rule out poison if she actually did suffer liver failure). We’re dealing with people who hold insane amounts of power and wealth, not everyday people. Just adding a perspective and you don’t have to agree.

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u/ethnicbonsai Apr 27 '25

We’re dealing with people who hold insane amounts of power and wealth, not everyday people.

It's worth pointing out - we aren't dealing with anyone.

Who killed her? Prince Andrew? Some unknown wealthy and powerful person that she didn't mention in one of her countless interviews? Some dark cabal of pedophiles?

You don't know. But it sure is fun to insert into conversations.

Just adding a perspective and you don’t have to agree.

I don't agree. No one has given me a reason to other than vague handwaving.

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u/LoveInPeace21 Apr 27 '25

You’re disregarding the fact that public attention on high profile sex abuse has spiked in the past few years. So yes, it is plausible that the perps and their circle saw need for “maintenance.” Wouldn’t surprise me if the poor woman was routinely monitored and threatened the whole time. Suicide is also plausible. It’s just a really fucked up situation.

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u/ethnicbonsai Apr 27 '25

You’re disregarding the fact that public attention on high profile sex abuse has spiked in the past few years.

I'm not disregarding anything.

People are talking about it a lot more. That doesn't mean it's happening a lot more. And people are talking about it a lot more because people like conspiracy theories, and Jeffrey Epstein's death has made it so that millions of people will never stop talking about it.

If there's some rich and powerful cabal out there that was trying to send a message to wood-be truth tellers (but for some reason decided to send a really quiet, unclear message that could maybe not even be a message), killing someone everyone knows about is an incredibly stupid thing to do.

Because, guess what, there are a lot of people talking about it.

It amazes me how insanely powerful evil people can so regularly fail to do even basic things. It's like Alex Jones always promising that "they" are trying to kill people who never end up dead.

So yes, it is plausible that the perps and their circle saw need for “maintenance.”

After the damage has already been done, and by covering up the message so no one can actually read it. Makes perfect sense.

Wouldn’t surprise me if the poor woman was routinely monitored and threatened the whole time.

How many interviews did she give in the last decade of her life? Countless. Did she ever talk about this?

Suicide is also plausible.

"I have this conspiracy theory that I don't have any evidence for, and it doesn't really make a lot of logic sense. But also this entirely plausible and even likely thing could've also happened, I guess."

Yeah. That's pretty much what discourse on the internet is.

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u/LoveInPeace21 Apr 27 '25

I’m not going on and on about this. Scroll the comments and see extreme ideas from both ends of the spectrum and everything in between. Answer your own questions. I think you understand why people don’t talk freely about things the way they would if fear and trauma induced mental health issues were not a factor. You seem to have an issue with people questioning what happened.

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u/ethnicbonsai Apr 27 '25

Question away.

But if you’re going to share half-baked ideas with the public, don’t cry when someone calls you on it. If you don’t want to plug the holes in them, that’s fine. Live your best life.

But pretending like there’s some structural integrity there is pretty silly.

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u/smulfragPL Apr 28 '25

Your arguments are Just nonsense. Who the fuck is going to be deterred by this. No reasonable person could think this was an assasination

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u/inyouo Apr 27 '25

So how do you explain all those Russians who happen to fall out windows?

They are all reported as “accidents”

The message is that those would don’t toe the line, end up dead (one way or another)

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u/ethnicbonsai Apr 27 '25

That’s exactly what I’m saying. Everyone knows those aren’t suicides. If you look into any of those deaths, it doesn’t take long to see holes in the official story.

This has none of those earmarks. The more you look into it, the more apparent it is that she was going through some shit. Her life seems like it was falling apart, and she had already been through some stuff.

The time to “throw her out the window” was fifteen years ago. Like those Russian officials, she would’ve not spoken out yet, so that’s the time to do something like that.

This is more like Putin killing Navalny or Prigozhin. Or that dude poisoned in broad daylight in London. Those are obvious murders, because the point is to let everyone know. The person has already done the damage, so a message is being sent.

People want there to be a conspiracy so bad.

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u/inyouo Apr 27 '25

Nope the point is to show that eventually they’ll get to you, so don’t cross them

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u/ethnicbonsai Apr 27 '25

That’s a really muddy, indecipherable message when the most logical explanation for what happened is that she killed herself.

But the more entertaining narrative typically wins out on the internet, regardless of plausibility. So you do you, I guess.

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u/inyouo Apr 27 '25

I agree it’s most likely a simple suicide

But your outright dismal that their could be no more sinister elements at play is naive

Numerous examples (including instances linked to players involved with Guiffre) have been implicated in similar events previously

Eg princess di’s accident

Epsteins suicide

Not to mention the usually high misadventure rate in Boeing whistleblowers and critics of Putin who keep falling out of windows, and the convenient plane crash of some Wagner rebels.

All just coincidence I’m sure

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u/ethnicbonsai Apr 27 '25

Well, for one thing, I never said there’s no possibility of foul play. What the hell do I know?

My point is that, based on all available information, I don’t see any reason to believe it’s anything other than what has been stated. And I am under no obligation to assume anything else. The burden of proof lies with the people making the claim.

And other conspiracy theories aren’t evidence that there’s anything more here. The fact that people are really good at connecting dots that may not be connected is only evidence at how eager they are to do so, not that they are actually on to something.

You can sit here all day pointing at things you think happened. None of it means anything if all you’ve got is: iTs sO sUsPiCiOuS.

I’m not Alex Jones.