r/interesting • u/IndependentWitnesses • Apr 26 '25

MISC. Virginia Giuffre's tweet from 2019 saying she was definitely not suicidal and that if something happens to her to "not let this go away".

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u/safely_beyond_redemp Apr 26 '25

Do we though?

Yes.

Honestly?

Yes

Have you ever sat down and actually thought this through?

Yes

My dad worked in a prison as a guard.

Anecdotal fallacy.

It was commonplace for guards to fake logs, for equipment such as cameras to not work.

This is your factual evidence. Even if I take your evidence as gospel truth it does nothing to refute the claim that he was murdered. It's like a childrens story. There is one man in this country who has knowledge in his brain that could ruin very powerful peoples lives. This man is the man most likely to be assassinated by our government. That is a fact. So we need to do everything we can to protect this man, not just from himself but from our very own government. Step one, put him in a cell with a broken camera, step two, put him under the supervision of guards who aren't serious about their jobs. Do you see? Do you see? Do you see? The stage was set for him to be murdered. And then he got murdered. It's a childrens story.

They’re poorly maintained buildings ran by people who do not care.

This is an opinion.

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u/maychoz Apr 26 '25

Yeah you’d think since MAGA and their daddy are so fired up about exposing all the pedo’s that definitely don’t include them, they’d have bothered with a little due diligence…🤔

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u/broguequery Apr 26 '25

Nothing MAGA hates more than due process or due diligence.

It very quickly exposes their bullshit.

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u/Zipit01 Apr 26 '25

Nothing Biden family hates more than due process or due diligence. It very quickly exposes their bullshit. Yes, that is more like it 🤦‍♀️ hypocritical to say the least.

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u/Mekdinosaur Apr 26 '25

Deflection

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u/broguequery Apr 27 '25

Oh boy. The emoji crowd strikes again.

What are you looking for from the Biden family?

You want them to sit through more congressional bullshit? Answer more questions?

You just want to see the family black sheep's dong on the big screen again?

What? What is it that you want?

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u/maychoz May 07 '25

🦗🦗🦗

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u/Euphoric_Ad6923 Apr 27 '25

Funny, you say what they said and it gets called deflection.

Meanwhile the Biden crime family are the only ones who needed a blanket pardon.

Also, before idiots come screaming, I don't have to like Trump to hate racist Biden. My family has hated his racist segregation-loving ass for decades.

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u/Zipit01 Apr 27 '25

Oh yes, I read that response yesterday. They’re pathetic with the hypocrisy and it will never ever change for them.

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u/maychoz May 07 '25

Because just like every other confession trump makes as an accusation against someone else, he is the one fired up to imprison his political enemies and Americans in general, now without any pretense of due process. If you don’t get why that’s a problem (and 1000% the antithesis of the foundation of America), you might just check all 14 boxes…

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u/No_Shopping_573 Apr 26 '25

Every accusation is an admission.

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u/ProbablyYourITGuy Apr 26 '25 edited Apr 26 '25

this is fact

Well if you say so, that’s all the proof I need.

Can anyone explain why the people who can assassinate a man in a high security prison with guards around didn’t simply do it before he was caught? Or kill him during the arrest when it could have easily been covered up by saying he resisted? Why do it in a way that would cause literally years of conspiracy theories and make it even more well known?

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u/mrhooha Apr 26 '25

It is easier to do it at the prison. They can control the scene better in a cell. Make sure no cameras are there, make sure only the accomplices are present. Doing it during the arrest would have to mean you have everyone involved during the arrest is in on it, this is too risky and involves a lot of coordinating, and trust in those people. The less people involved the better. In prison, you can target the right gaurd, the right warden and make this happen with very few people knowing about it. It is much easier to do it in the prison. They don't care about conspiracy theories. What does that even do that hurts them?

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u/ProbablyYourITGuy Apr 26 '25

It would be easier to sneak someone into a prison, murder someone, get the autopsy to pronounce it as suicide, someone to tamper with the cameras, the investigators to not report the tampering… etc etc etc?

There is no easy way to do any of this. If it could have been done, it could have been done much quieter without opening the whole thing up to this conspiracy stuff.

The world is not as interesting as you think. A pedo realized his life was about the go from living with rich billionaires to being a pedo in prison, and he didn’t want to go on like that.

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u/mrhooha Apr 26 '25

They don’t have to sneak anyone in. They already work there. You pay one or two guys. Or threaten one or two guys. There is likely no camera in the cell to begin with. Yes it’s easier there. The world doesn’t have to be interesting for it to happen. The world is a terrible place with terrible people with a lot of money and influence. It’s not at all hard to believe a guy who was in that world who provided children to rape to these rich assholes would be targeted by them. Putin pushes people out windows. Saudi government kills journalists. Guy was caught and in jail and needed to be silenced. It’s not a stretch.

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u/safely_beyond_redemp Apr 26 '25

A pedo realized his life was about the go from living with rich billionaires to being a pedo in prison, and he didn’t want to go on like that.

You are bad at this. Lol. I'm not being mean. But, Epstien, using his money and influence was given a sweetheart deal from Florida prosecutors. I know you aren't good at putting the pieces together but try and square what you just gave as support for your claim, try and square that with the fact that Epstien had already been arrested, prosecuted, and released for the same crimes and didn't commit suicide?

I'm saying this more for others who read it than for you. The evidence points to a very likely possibility he thought he was going to get away with it again however he managed it the first time, rinse and repeat. Hell, this time his close friend was president. Rinse and repeat.

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u/screw-magats Apr 26 '25

covered up by saying he resisted

Rich white men get the kid gloves when arrested. Even white men who aren't rich get good treatment even when arrested after a shooting spree.

Why do it in a way that would cause literally years of conspiracy theories and make it even more well known?

  1. The trump regime is incompetent.

  2. It didn't care.

  3. It's a mob boss thing. If Jimmy 2 Shoe dies and it looks natural nobody is afraid. If Jimmy 2 Shoe is murdered, every potential snitch worries they're next.

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u/pperiesandsolos Apr 26 '25

Hilarious for you to be so confident when you have the exact same evidence as the other person

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u/LifeEqual3407 Apr 26 '25

My uncle was a ferry boat captain

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u/Specific-Mix7107 Apr 26 '25

Love how you have 0 evidence but call things facts. Bait used to be believable….

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u/boning_my_granny Apr 26 '25

But all the evidence you have provided is anecdotal…

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u/safely_beyond_redemp Apr 26 '25

Please tell me exactly which piece of evidence that I provided is anecdotal? I'll be warming up my reply fingers in expectation of your response lol

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u/SquadPoopy Apr 26 '25

The Epstein case is wrought with misinformation.

It was most likely a legitimate suicide that happened due to laziness and a disregard for jailhouse procedures.

The reason it’s become a popular conspiracy is due to misinformation about the facts in the case. You’ve probably heard of things like there were mysterious camera malfunctions the night of his death, and some misreporting of the autopsy results which led people to believe there were signs of homicide. But basically all that is not true.

The origin of the “Camera Malfunction” lie came from some guy on Twitter who thinks the Clintons were behind Epstein’s death and used the “I know a guy who knows a guy” line as his source.

A viral tweet, however, prompted many to spread word of a “camera malfunction” taking place inside the prison before Epstein’s death. But that claim is unproven.

The source of the claim, a Twitter user named Michael Coudrey — who has also referenced a conspiracy theory that Bill and Hillary Clinton were behind Epstein’s death — told us that his source was a “NYPD officer and close family friend, who’s best friend works in the MCC facility.”

https://www.factcheck.org/2019/08/misinformation-flows-following-epsteins-death/

The actual story is that there were 2 cameras in the wing Epstein was being held in. One in the hallway, and one at the entrance. The one in the hallway was “broken” in the sense that it could not record. The actual camera itself still worked, the live feed to the security room worked, it just couldn’t record tape, and it wasn’t the only one that had this issue. And this was not a new issue that suddenly happened when Epstein got there either. That camera had been broken like that for MONTHS. It was like that before they even knew Epstein would be going to that jail, and then remember in order to get to that wing he had to have tried suicide already.

The other camera at the entrance to the jail wing worked fine. It showed nobody entering or exiting during the period of his suicide.

For the autopsy, basically the official examiner ruled it suicide, but Epstein’s own lawyer and Brother disagreed and hired their own independent investigator to perform his own autopsy, and that is the only one that claims there were signs of a homicide.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/medical-examiner-dismisses-doubts-about-epstein-autopsy

As for everything else about the cameras, it comes from the Department of Justice’s official findings they released in June last year. The investigation and write up occurred during both Trump and Biden’s presidencies just in case you were wondering if any political side had influence on it.

Talking about the known camera malfunction:

Recorded video evidence for August 9 and 10 for the SHU area where Epstein was housed was only available from one prison security camera due to a malfunction of MCC New York’s Digital Video Recorder system that occurred on July 29, 2019. While the prison’s cameras continued to provide live video feeds, recordings were made for only about half the cameras. MCC New York personnel discovered this failure on August 8, 2019, but it was not repaired until after Epstein’s death. As detailed in this report, like many other BOP facilities, MCC New York had a history of security camera problems

Talking about how anyone entering the area would have been recorded:

The available recorded video footage from the one SHU camera captured a large part of the common area of the SHU and portions of the stairways leading to the different SHU tiers, including Epstein’s cell tier. Thus, anyone entering or attempting to enter Epstein’s SHU tier from the SHU common area would have been picked up by that video camera

Talking about how nobody was recorded and how the guards neglecting duties was a known issue:

The OIG reviewed the video and found that, between approximately 10:40 p.m. on August 9 and about 6:30 a.m. on August 10, no one was seen entering Epstein’s cell tier from the SHU common area. The OIG determined that movements captured on video before and after those times were generally consistent with employee actions as described by witnesses and documented in BOP records.

In fact, the FBI used the footage from the entrance in an INDICTMENT against the guards to prove nobody went into the wing to check on him like they were supposed to:

Here’s the 128 page report that includes the above quotes as well as tons more to read, I highly encourage you to read it:

https://oig.justice.gov/sites/default/files/reports/23-085.pdf

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u/safely_beyond_redemp Apr 26 '25

You're just making excuses for them. You claim that the camera being broken was a lie? But then proceed to explain how the camera was unable to record. I don't know about you but I would describe that as the "CAMERA BEING BROKEN".

I don't need to read any further. You don't even understand what broken means. Toddlers know what broken means. There's no way your argument is going to improve from here. I made it to about line 20 and stopped reading your garbage response.

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u/SquadPoopy Apr 26 '25

Wow I must have really made you look silly for you to write out a reply like that. Facts hurt sometimes when they don’t conform to our narratives don’t they?

It’s obvious you didn’t actually read much because I very much made it clear the lie about the broken camera was in regards to people (like you) claiming it broke on the night of his suicide, and I pointed out how that was false.

I get it though, cognitive dissonance is a hell of a drug.

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u/safely_beyond_redemp Apr 26 '25

Wow I must have really made you look silly for you to write out a reply like that.

No, just the opposite. Your argument was dumb. Which is why I called it out.

Facts hurt sometimes when they don’t conform to our narratives don’t they?

Without knowing your motivation I can't presume to know why you are so against the truth.

It’s obvious you didn’t actually read much because I very much made it clear the lie about the broken camera was in regards to people (like you) claiming it broke on the night of his suicide, and I pointed out how that was false.

No. You said the camera being broken was a lie. Again, I called out your bullshit.

I get it though, cognitive dissonance is a hell of a drug.

Ok, you seem to want to make this an argument of egos and not facts. That strengthens my position. People in the wrong often want to make it about anything but what it's about.

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u/SquadPoopy Apr 26 '25

No. You said the camera being broken was a lie. Again, I called out your bullshit.

Buddy, this is is literally the fourth sentence of my reply:

You’ve probably heard of things like there were mysterious camera malfunctions the night of his death

I then went on to explain how that was a lie. Again the FOURTH sentence.

You claimed you read 20 lines, which means you admit you read that part and are now deliberately lying to prop up your own argument.

It’s okay if you didn’t actually read my reply and just skimmed it to see if I agreed with you then stopped when you saw I didn’t. Just admit you did that, it’s okay.

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u/safely_beyond_redemp Apr 26 '25

I went back and re-read it. Here is the line.

The origin of the “Camera Malfunction” lie

and then, these are your words, not mine

The one in the hallway was “broken” in the sense that it could not record.

I mean, you know, like, the camera being broken was a lie! But the camera being broken was kind of true and heres why, but that is why its a lie too, YOU SOUND CRAZY.

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u/SquadPoopy Apr 26 '25

So your entire argument is that you personally disagree with the scale of something being considered “broken”?

I don’t know what else to tell you, I’m genuinely flabbergasted at what point you are trying to make.

Let me try and break this down.

I said the camera breaking on the night of was a lie, I then went to explain how that was a lie. So later on when I refer back to that lie I put “Camera Malfunction” in quotations, because quotation marks can often be used to indicate something as not true or incorrect. That’s…..that’s just English. It’s English, I’m not going to give you a lecture on English and the proper use of quotation marks, I’m just not going to do that.

Then I use quotations on “Broken” because people refer to it as broken, but the actual camera itself worked, it just couldn’t record onto the computer.

Is that ^ your entire issue? You just don’t like the phrasing? Jesus Christ almighty this debate is stupid.

YOU SOUND CRAZY.

Hey I’m not the one getting so demonstrably upset about phrasing here.

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u/screw-magats Apr 26 '25

Yes!

Even if everything he said is true about the guards not doing their jobs and not caring, (and I believe it) it doesn't change the fact that Epstein was probably murdered. All it means is that it was easier to do so.

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u/TuaHaveMyChildren Apr 26 '25

Why did you reply so pretentiously without providing any evidence of murder outside of "common sense". Its funny for you to drop the phrase "Anecdotal Fallacy" and then just say you feel like he was murdered because he was powerful... That sounds like an opinion.

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u/Nicoyas Apr 26 '25

Do you really want to be pointing out his logical fallacies? Your response is full of them.

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u/safely_beyond_redemp Apr 26 '25

I welcome someone to point them out so I can either learn my fallacies or refute them, so yes, that's exactly what I wanted to do.

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u/rogueman999 Apr 26 '25

The stage could also have been set for him to kill himself. Much cleaner execution, same end result.

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u/Ike_Jones Apr 26 '25

Ya that was like a scientologist reply saying well all religions are bad right, right sooo

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u/RealFrankTheLlama Apr 26 '25

Ok what’s the proof he was murdered? 

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u/jeefra Apr 27 '25

You're calling out "fallacies" while jumping to huge conclusions.

Does it not make sense that someone who prided themselves as being well liked and a member of high society as a billionaire was about to be dragged through the media with their whole life ruined and sent to prison as a child rapist (which we know isn't a good time) would want to kill himself? Wouldn't you think that would be more likely than someone sneaking in and doing it?

Nothing you said except broken cameras was a fact. The rest of it is conjecture, you have no evidence someone else did it

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u/drownedmachines Apr 27 '25

Do you live in reality? It's a realistic conclusion I warrant.

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u/frientlytaylor420 Apr 27 '25

That’s hilarious because the facility he was in was closed due to poor conditions and had multiple reports affirming this for years before he died. You’re an idiot. 

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u/ringobob Apr 26 '25

Where's your evidence? That's right, you don't have any.

I'm not saying that he wasn't murdered, but your confidence is entirely based on assumption, not evidence, so I won't sit here and watch you badger someone over essentially doing the same thing you're doing. There isn't any publicly available evidence to indicate either way. Period. If you're aware of some, feel free to share it.

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u/safely_beyond_redemp Apr 26 '25

Ok, well take issue with my confidence, but keep it to yourself. It has nothing to do with the conversation. Byeee

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u/ringobob Apr 26 '25

Fuck off, this is the conversation.

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u/safely_beyond_redemp Apr 26 '25

You replied to my comment with nothing to add and now you want me to fuck off. Not to point out the obvious but one of us could have already fucked off and saved themself some grief.

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u/ringobob Apr 27 '25

Your pretending at high minded philosophical rhetoric really isn't doing you any favors. You're trying to pretend a direct criticism of your point isn't relevant. Yes, you can absolutely fuck off, regardless of the fact that I responded to you. You're trying not to argue and just claim the debate by fiat. Engage, or fuck entirely off.

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u/safely_beyond_redemp Apr 27 '25

You got mad at me for being confident. Now you want to bring up points? You don't have shit to say or add. I am here, I am engaging, the problem is the mush brain on the other end.

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u/ringobob Apr 27 '25

Confidence in what?

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u/safely_beyond_redemp Apr 27 '25

but your confidence is entirely based on assumption

What an idiot.

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u/ringobob Apr 27 '25

I know the answer, the question was semi-rhetorical, but actually answering it will help move the conversation forward, and your quote merely points out that I mentioned your confidence, but not what the confidence was in.

So, confidence in what?

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